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Noblesse Oblige [Znt/SI]

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I though pink hair would have been remarks upon already so I'd assumed that Henry had blond hair like his father. All this time Shade/Henry has been ragging on genetics in Halk while he himself is a genetic impossibility. Bloody hypocrite.
 
MinorGryph said:
Colbert is Saitama????
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Nah, Colbert is Big Boss+Huey who lost his hair instead of his eye and decided to pursue science instead of forming a mercenary company.

Think about it, he used to be part of a crack elite military unit under the command of a renowned female soldier known throughout the land as a certified badass. Later, his mission force him to make morally questionable decisions and ends with him feeling betrayed by his old ideals. Now he seeks redemption in form of pursuing non-lethal flame magic similar to how Big Boss tries to redeem his sins by making the world similar to the boss's wishes or at least his interpretations of it. Not to mention his runic name. Flame Snake.

This means that current teenage Wardes is Raiden. A silver haired orphan with a dark past whose runic name is lightning...the rain transformed.
 
I have to say, I agree about the Coffee.

God I love Espresso. I love it in the morning, I love it before lunch, I love it in the afternoon. In the evening, I add milk and sugar and sip it after dinner.
 
spectre21230 said:
Nah, Colbert is Big Boss+Huey who lost his hair instead of his eye and decided to pursue science instead of forming a mercenary company.

Think about it, he used to be part of a crack elite military unit under the command of a renowned female soldier known throughout the land as a certified badass. Later, his mission force him to make morally questionable decisions and ends with him feeling betrayed by his old ideals. Now he seeks redemption in form of pursuing non-lethal flame magic similar to how Big Boss tries to redeem his sins by making the world similar to the boss's wishes or at least his interpretations of it. Not to mention his runic name. Flame Snake.

This means that current teenage Wardes is Raiden. A silver haired orphan with a dark past whose runic name is lightning...the rain transformed.
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... Holy Shit. That's why I appreciate Colbert.

It makes so much sense.
 
VortexRyder said:
FTFY

Which explains the Henryetta shippers if they want both King and Queen to have purple hair.
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Henry having Purple hair would also make the whole marring him to a Galian princess more palatable...

Its ONE thing to claim a branch family has ties to Royalty, is a WHOLE other deal to have physical proof it does.

Blue Hair is for Galia, what Purple is for Tristain :)
 
If that's the case then wouldn't Shade grow it magically so he could have more coffee in the future? If so then I can see him not brewing any of his precious coffee beans.
 
ctulhuslp said:
So....6000 years of medieval stasis are okay, but weird quirk of genetics interlaced with magic is clearly bull. Yeah, this makes sense.
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But the Hair genetics are supported by the Magic system in the setting... The royals are actually identifiable by their hair color and the strength of the bloodline is measured by the hair color as well...

Shade having BLACK hair is untenable because is a VERY RARE hair color in Halk (Its a plot point in canon) that has ZERO ties to royal nobility and people would have long commented on it... Dark Purple Its the sensible choice because Shade/Henry has royal blood in him and any color aside Blond, Pink, or Purple would have raised some interesting questions.
 
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Chaoswind said:
But the Hair genetics are supported by the Magic system in the setting... The royals are actually identifiable by their hair color and the strength of the bloodline is measured by the hair color as well...

Shade having BLACK hair is untenable because is a VERY RARE hair color in Halk (Its a plot point in canon) that has ZERO ties to royal nobility and people would have long commented on it... Dark Purple Its the sensible choice because Shade/Henry has royal blood in him and any color aside Blond, Pink, or Purple would have raised some interesting questions.
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Eh. Royals in canon ZnT were identifiable by hair color only as long as there were no other crutches for plot; I kid of doubt that author thought hereditary side through, or else magic would not be reserved only for nobles, because 6000 years kind of promote, uh, spreading genes around. For example, Chengiz Khan IRL has now what, several millions of descendants? And it had been less than a thousand years. Now, not everybody is Chengiz, but it probably is safe to assume that most of population carries at least some noble genes. And this is when written history is barely reaching 6000 years (it sort of doesn't, I think..), and medieval-style nobility wasn't in place for most of it.

In ZnT circumstances it means that almost everybody should have some measure of magic, or, in conservative interpretation of nobility's free time habits, chance of being at least weeaaaaakly magical. And the whole "nobility = magic" kind of falls to pieces if you think about it for a couple of minutes.

So yeah, worldbuilding in ZnT is kind of too weak to make logical assumptions; if author wants black hair, hair will be black because it is rather minor offense to logic compared to other poorly thought through bull in setting.
 
ctulhuslp said:
So yeah, worldbuilding in ZnT is kind of too weak to make logical assumptions; if author wants black hair, hair will be black because it is rather minor offense to logic compared to other poorly thought through bull in setting.
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Except Henry having black hair violates what little consistency the setting retains. Suspension of disbelief requires that a world be internally consistent, and it makes absolutely no sense for Henry to have dark hair. Hair color being closely tied to lineage is canon. A dark haired child in a family of strawberry blonds would raise eyebrows both on Earth and Halkeginia. "These Halk genetics sure are cooky, huh?" is not a believable explanation.

Either Shade has made an oversight or there is something more happening in this scene.
 
shadenight123 said:
For indeed, apparently among the many choices of breakfast, Gallian Royalty had the option of drinking coffee.

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Sign me up. I'm yours now, and forevermore.
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So bold!
shadenight123 said:
This was-This was the devious baiting of an innocent and kindhearted young man!

And yet, I found myself listening on.

It was only fair, after all.
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Dragonskyt said:
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This is legit the second funniest thing I found on this site.

Have a "Funny," you glorious bastard.
Dragonskyt said:
Yes.
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I mean, if assassination skills can be passed genetically in the Tohno family, why shouldn't it work for souls? :V
GiftOfLove said:
Henry is a terrible twin. Not only is he male and healthy, but he doesn't even have the decency to have the same hair color as his sister.
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Do I need to pull out my medical dictionary out again? :mob:
dizygotic twins
two offspring born of the same pregnancy and developed from two ova that were released from the ovary simultaneously and fertilized at the same time. They may be of the same or opposite sex, differ both physically and genetically, and have two separate and distinct placentas and membranes, both amnion and chorion. The frequency of dizygotic twinning varies according to ethnic origin (the highest incidence occurs in African-Americans, the lowest in Asian-Americans, with Caucasians intermediate), maternal age (the highest rate occurs when the mother is 35 to 39 years of age), and heredity (showing an increase in the female genetic line rather than the male, although fathers may transmit the disposition to double ovulation to their daughters). In general the overall ratio is two thirds dizygotic twinning to one third monozygotic. Also called binovular twins, dissimilar twins, false twins, fraternal twins, heterologous twins.

dizygotic twins or fraternal twins
a pair of children born at the same time to the same mother but each developing from a different fertilized egg. Such twins are therefore nonidentical, being equivalent to normal SIBLINGS, and can be of the same or different sexes. Compare MONOZYGOTIC TWINS.
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ctulhuslp said:
And this is when written history is barely reaching 6000 years (it sort of doesn't, I think..), and medieval-style nobility wasn't in place for most of it.
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The written language was developed 3 500 BC by Sumerians. So it's around 5 500 years of written history, if you ignore cave paintings from a REALLY long time ago.

And the entire claim that basically everyone can use magic is pure bullshit. Even if you accept the Genghis Khan idea (it's 0.5% of the world population, I think, and he's a conqueror who passed most of the world), humans still need magical foci like wands or swordwands to actually cast spells. Even if you have talent, those things cost a lot of money. Money which a civilian wouldn't be able to spend willy-nilly. Spend money to maybe check out if I have talent? Money which could've fed my family for a year? Pass, I'll spend it on food. Furthermore, haughty nobles would STILL discriminate the fuck out of any commoner in their academy.

It's not really a viable option.

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Wikipedia said:
Zerjal et al. (2003)[8] identified a Y-chromosomal lineage present in about 8% of the men in a large region of Asia (about 0.5% of the world total). The paper suggests that the pattern of variation within the lineage is consistent with a hypothesis that it originated in Mongolia about 1,000 years ago, and thus several generations prior to the birth of Genghis. Such a spread would be too rapid to have occurred by genetic drift, and must therefore be the result of selection. The authors propose that the lineage is carried by likely male-line descendants of Genghis Khan and his close male relatives, and that it has spread through social selection due to the power that Genghis Khan and his direct descendants held and a society which allowed one man to have many children through having multiple wives and widespread rape in conquered cities.[9]
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ctulhuslp said:
So yeah, worldbuilding in ZnT is kind of too weak to make logical assumptions; if author wants black hair, hair will be black because it is rather minor offense to logic compared to other poorly thought through bull in setting.
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In a setting where blood inheritance is a thing, it is basic world building to have children resemble their parents. If Henry has dark hair that matches no one in his family it casts his parentage into doubt. Especially as his twin, Cattelya, also is not described to resemble the Duke. Besides which her illness can also spun against Karin even without accusing her of cheating (the Duke married down and contaminated his bloodline with filth! The children are clearly unfit to inherit.)

And before you say Karin would murder people for saying those things... there is probably a good reason she's so strict on formality and appearances despite being a legendary war hero who doesn't afraid of anything. Pure violence is not good at countering social attacks.
 
ctulhuslp said:
Eh. Royals in canon ZnT were identifiable by hair color only as long as there were no other crutches for plot; I kid of doubt that author thought hereditary side through, or else magic would not be reserved only for nobles, because 6000 years kind of promote, uh, spreading genes around. For example, Chengiz Khan IRL has now what, several millions of descendants? And it had been less than a thousand years. Now, not everybody is Chengiz, but it probably is safe to assume that most of population carries at least some noble genes. And this is when written history is barely reaching 6000 years (it sort of doesn't, I think..), and medieval-style nobility wasn't in place for most of it.

In ZnT circumstances it means that almost everybody should have some measure of magic, or, in conservative interpretation of nobility's free time habits, chance of being at least weeaaaaakly magical. And the whole "nobility = magic" kind of falls to pieces if you think about it for a couple of minutes.

So yeah, worldbuilding in ZnT is kind of too weak to make logical assumptions; if author wants black hair, hair will be black because it is rather minor offense to logic compared to other poorly thought through bull in setting.
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Strength of the blood line.
If the bloodline is weak it will have an effect on the like hood of inheriting magic, also not everyone can afford a magical foci.

Also If I am remembering correctly the humans with magic were a VERY small tribe that was exiled from the Holy Land by the Elves, the "commoners" IE humans without magic lived in Halk and are not descendants of this tribe.

In short a hundred humans with magic declared themselves the descendants of God (and they had proof) and "conquered" the humans without magic... Heck the humans of Rub Al Kali don't have magic either, and the few that do (Shamans like Myzos father) use spirit magic like the "First borns" because their magic is not hereditary like the one from Halk.
 
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