It...kind of doesn't matter.

Let's put it this way:

Titles and lands do not go hand in hand.

Let's say Pierre is the Duke de la Valliere, Viscount of La Bois, Baron of La Baume. (this in 100% lawful noble title passing in europe, not magical-europe)

The eldest son gets the title of Duke. The rest is split among the youngest daughters. Viscount Eleonore, Baron Cattleya, and Louise gets the 'Honorable' Louise title/marries someone and gets his titles.

However, since I have no intention of going full 100% correct middle-ages titling, I took some liberties.

Fact is, even if he becomes King of Gallia, the lands belong to Isabella, not to him. He may administer them, he may give them to his future children, but they aren't 'his'.

By the same token, even if he has lands in Tristain, they do not magically belong to Gallia and change flag colors. He has the title of 'Duke', and he may take earnings from those lands, but taxes are still paid to the Tristain's crown because, and this is important...

All land inherently belongs to the King.

He may 'dole it out' to his nobles, and his nobles may in turn dole it out further down the line, but if the King says 'Oi, Valliere, hand back the land', then the Valliere must give back the land or start a riot and a rebellion.

What this means is simply that Duke Henry might marry Isabella and become King of Gallia, but the lands, while 'his' in name/tied to the title, would still pay their dues to the kingdom of Tristain. Unless, of course, someone wanted to send an insult to the king of Tristain.

But since they are allies, this would have no reason to happen now, would it?
Crusader Kings 2 flashbacks intensify.
 
I get the feeling that this is a build up to Kirche meeting Henry, getting to know him, and then falling head over heels for him (and attempting to carry on the family tradition of "stealing" Vallieres ;)) from his ideals of freedom, changing the status quo of the world, and being hedonistic of course.
 
Well Shade in theory its all fine, but since you are basing it from non magical Europe in a few generations down the line it could result in a war like the Hundred years war (with Gallia ironically being in the stronger position of England) with the Valliere lands being the equivalent of Aquitaine.
 
Hell, her own father didn't as much as clap once, but simply sighed and muttered something that sounded awfully similar to a when is the wine coming?
And now you have an In with Joseph... or at least a way to not get killed out of boredom: Wines.

Be his Wine tasting buddy, Henry. Show him a true Italian's palate for only the finest. And while you're at it: show him some of your writing. Write an interesting enough novel, and it might actually make him feel something.

But maybe not the Lion Princess series... which would now be very awkward to publish with your bethrotal.
 
All land inherently belongs to the King.

Wait a moment. Doesn't it mean that Queen Marianne is the true sovereign, ruler and owner of Tristian and not her husband? So, shouldn't it be then, All Land inherently belongs to the Queen; in the case of Tristian, or more likely, all land belongs to the Monarchy, if this refers to Halkagenia in particular? Also, if there are nobles who hold fiefs across multiple kingdoms as a result of inheritances, does this mean if the kingdoms in question ever enter into a war, technically, the Noble would have to choose a monarch to back, and would likely lose the land he or she holds in the other Kingdom he chooses not to back?

I can just imagine all those messy succession disputes that can happen. Interestingly though, the inheritance system you set up appears to be Gavelkind , not Primogeniture, except for the Kingdoms. And land in the Kingdoms cannot be alienated, unlike Medieval Europe.

Does it then follow, that any land Henry might hold in Gallia in the future as a source of income or to administer, is given at Isabella's pleasure (or more likely, Joseph, but if Joseph goes, then Isabella)?
 
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Wait a moment. Doesn't it mean that Queen Marianne is the true sovereign, ruler and owner of Tristian and not her husband? So, shouldn't it be then, All Land inherently belongs to the Queen; in the case of Tristian, or more likely, all land belongs to the Monarchy, if this refers to Halkagenia in particular? Also, if there are nobles who hold fiefs across multiple kingdoms as a result of inheritances, does this mean if the kingdoms in question ever enter into a war, technically, the Noble would have to choose a monarch to back, and would likely lose the land he or she holds in the other Kingdom he chooses not to back?

Does it then follow, that any land Henry might hold in Gallia in the future as a source of income or to administer, is given at Isabella's pleasure (or more likely, Joseph, but if Joseph goes, then Isabella)?

Ye got the jist of it.

The ownership of the land goes down through the Royal line. The administration of it...well, it depends on what one decides.
 
Ye got the jist of it.

The ownership of the land goes down through the Royal line. The administration of it...well, it depends on what one decides.
I thought that the royal line of succession in halklgania followed the void mages as blessed by the romalian pope, that was why Louise was adopted as the princess of tristania as Henrietta's adopted sister in season 3.
 
I thought that the royal line of succession in halklgania followed the void mages as blessed by the romalian pope, that was why Louise was adopted as the princess of tristania as Henrietta's adopted sister in season 3.

Void mages ARE descended from Brimir (and the Royal lines) though, the de la Vallieres were originally bastard offspring of the Tristanian line, before being granted a dukedom. The same way Tiffiana is a cousin of Wales, etc.
 
Hmm... it's unreasonable to assume that Isabella read the lion princess book isn't it? I mean this is not only before the internet, but it's before the printing press meaning copies would probably be written by hand and then there is the whole 'different country plus no cars. Dammit! Why can't she be a fan of his fairytale?!? Logic why you do this to me? It would have been adorbs.

*sobs*
 
Hmm... it's unreasonable to assume that Isabella read the lion princess book isn't it? I mean this is not only before the internet, but it's before the printing press meaning copies would probably be written by hand. Dammit! Why can't she be a fan of his fairytale?!? Logic why you do this to me? It would have been adorbs.

*sobs*
From what I understand, it isn't done yet.
 
This was probably making half the nobles present green not with envy, but with anger at the thought that their princess would end up with a Germanian barbarian
Uuh, Shade? Did Henry suddenly went to the Zerbst when none of us were looking, or was there another betrothal in progress?
Crusader Kings 2 flashbacks intensify.
Yeah, I did that a lot. Fabricate a claim on a troublesome vassal and then revoke the shit out of it. Works a lot better than 'convince vassal x was a traitor' plot most of the time because I couldn't find any spymaster worth their shit. My chancellor on the other hand is simply awesome.
 
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Hmm... it's unreasonable to assume that Isabella read the lion princess book isn't it? I mean this is not only before the internet, but it's before the printing press meaning copies would probably be written by hand and then there is the whole 'different country plus no cars. Dammit! Why can't she be a fan of his fairytale?!? Logic why you do this to me? It would have been adorbs.

*sobs*
I think it would be the opposite of adorbs seeing as the story declares the subtly named Char Lotte family branch to be the rightful sovereigns.
 
Seriously? When did that happen? I thought it was only in canon though? Dammit, I did miss something!
You quoted a sentence where it said that half the nobles were unhappy with their princess ending up with the Germanian barbarian, this is happening in Tristainian court (the Gallian royalty is the one going up to the Tristainian royalty, they were sitting on thrones just slightly lower than that of Marianne and her family which indicates this is Tristain home turf), and I'm pretty sure Henry mentioned this situation before.

Political and national security seems to be something Tristain is desperately gathering atm, ergo Henrietta getting engaged to the filthy barbarian.
 
I forgot how scary your update rate was, Shade. Good quality too; plot, pacing, emotion evocation, characters... You've been improving a lot you crazy Italian.
 
You quoted a sentence where it said that half the nobles were unhappy with their princess ending up with the Germanian barbarian, this is happening in Tristainian court (the Gallian royalty is the one going up to the Tristainian royalty, they were sitting on thrones just slightly lower than that of Marianne and her family which indicates this is Tristain home turf), and I'm pretty sure Henry mentioned this situation before.
I thought the princess was referring to Isabella and that there were other Gallian courtiers in attendance who doesn't like her being married to Henry, a foreign noble.

I figured Shade was downing too much caffeine in his head and with the amount of chapters he's been spitting out, making mistakes was natural so I called him out on it, but was I the one that was wrong then?

Better check chapter 30 and the rest.
 
Doesn't Tabiclone exist in this 'verse? Charlotte/Tabitha was on the party with her parents, but there was no mention of her twin sister Josette...

All land inherently belongs to the King.

He may 'dole it out' to his nobles, and his nobles may in turn dole it out further down the line, but if the King says 'Oi, Valliere, hand back the land', then the Valliere must give back the land or start a riot and a rebellion.

What this means is simply that Duke Henry might marry Isabella and become King of Gallia, but the lands, while 'his' in name/tied to the title, would still pay their dues to the kingdom of Tristain. Unless, of course, someone wanted to send an insult to the king of Tristain.
Oh, that may well be what the law says, but I doubt the crown can actually strip off the lands from any of their vassals without serious repercussions. Trying to do this to any powerful noble would likely mean rebellion.

Also if Henry becomes both Duke of Valliere and King of Gallia, he can just tell the Tristanian crown that his ancestral lands are henceforth part of the Kingdom of Gallia and there's nothing they could do to stop him. Well, they could start a war, but that would only result in Henry also becoming the King of Tristania.
 
It...kind of doesn't matter.

Let's put it this way:

Titles and lands do not go hand in hand.

Let's say Pierre is the Duke de la Valliere, Viscount of La Bois, Baron of La Baume. (this in 100% lawful noble title passing in europe, not magical-europe)

The eldest son gets the title of Duke. The rest is split among the youngest daughters. Viscount Eleonore, Baron Cattleya, and Louise gets the 'Honorable' Louise title/marries someone and gets his titles.

However, since I have no intention of going full 100% correct middle-ages titling, I took some liberties.

Fact is, even if he becomes King of Gallia, the lands belong to Isabella, not to him. He may administer them, he may give them to his future children, but they aren't 'his'.

By the same token, even if he has lands in Tristain, they do not magically belong to Gallia and change flag colors. He has the title of 'Duke', and he may take earnings from those lands, but taxes are still paid to the Tristain's crown because, and this is important...

All land inherently belongs to the King.

He may 'dole it out' to his nobles, and his nobles may in turn dole it out further down the line, but if the King says 'Oi, Valliere, hand back the land', then the Valliere must give back the land or start a riot and a rebellion.

What this means is simply that Duke Henry might marry Isabella and become King of Gallia, but the lands, while 'his' in name/tied to the title, would still pay their dues to the kingdom of Tristain. Unless, of course, someone wanted to send an insult to the king of Tristain.

But since they are allies, this would have no reason to happen now, would it?
...Well, that's essentially what happened in real-Europe too, especially at some of the lower levels of nobility. The long list of titles some people had were because that had a hundred minor fiefs in multiple places (apparently contiguous ones were a bit rare), and potentially to different liege-lords.

Doesn't Tabiclone exist in this 'verse? Charlotte/Tabitha was on the party with her parents, but there was no mention of her twin sister Josette...

Oh, that may well be what the law says, but I doubt the crown can actually strip off the lands from any of their vassals without serious repercussions. Trying to do this to any powerful noble would likely mean rebellion.

Also if Henry becomes both Duke of Valliere and King of Gallia, he can just tell the Tristanian crown that his ancestral lands are henceforth part of the Kingdom of Gallia and there's nothing they could do to stop him. Well, they could start a war, but that would only result in Henry also becoming the King of Tristania.
True, it's unlikely the crown would strip the land from any noble without cause (often treason). Note that having a parcel of land isn't necessarily a benefit, though; you owe taxes and often (historically) soldiers to your liege lords, which might be higher than your holdings can support. IOW, the king can grant you a reward that (deliberately) bankrupts you - which will probably be difficult to refuse!

You're forgetting that there's a legal difference between "Henry, Duke", and "Henry, King of Gallia", though. If he did try to make his lands in Tristania part of Gallia (and remember, the lands in Tristania are on almost the other side of the country), his liege lord (which is probably his parents) would likely be within their rights to strip the title and lands from him. Note that this is different than him granting the lands and title to one of his heirs (even if that person happens to be another future ruler of Gallia).
 
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