You don't appear to be disagreeing with me. Although I think Agnès might get involved before things went that far.

Oh yes... The "reunion" will be very fiery. Henry promised to help her with her revenge yet at the same time doing so would cost the life of his possible premiere engineer. I wonder who's gonna come on top of the priority list, care to bet?
 
Is peace with the elves actually possible with void users being around?

Yes as long as Henry is willing to accept driving the Pope, his King, and his Sister insane with a potion, the Elves will accept peace.

Which would also doom humanity in Halkeginia, because those are the very ones who have a fighting chance against the elves, other firstborns, spirits, and Gaia to enable humans to leave the deathtrap.
 
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Yes as long as Henry is willing to accept driving the Pope, his King, and his Sister insane with a potion, the Elves will accept peace.
Oh boy, I can just imagine how this would go.

Notice that so far, Henry has been play all this long game in the hopes of peace. But if the Elves who want to get rid of the Void push that far...

Then Henry will, in full earnest intent, go to war.
 
Maybe this thread needs a FAQ for the people not familiar with the setting?

There are three classes
Landed Nobles (assigned by royal decree).
The unlanded nobility (petty nobles, pretty much middle class).
And commoners with no magic potential whatsoever.

Nobles are direct decendants of a small tribe of humans that conquered (mostly without violence) the normal humans of Halkeginia.
We are talking about two different species of humans.
Indiscretions with commoners are not encouraged.
Bastards would end up as petty mages, those mages would do their BEST to marry a landed noble or others petty nobles, that in turn reduces the blood mixing EVEN more.

No, commoners are not magic users without training, they lack magic full stop.
Henry also knows that any war will kill tens or hundreds of thousands with a good chance of his sister being targeted too.

Interesting with the rifles. It is close to giving someone the hitting power and range of a line caster. No matter how tech changes the Triangle and square casters are the real power. So few nobles get that high too.

I do wonder what population of commoners can use some minor level of magic and never get tested. One third? More? Perhaps even a majority? 6000 years is a lot of time for nobles to screw around.
 
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-During his exile, and between kinky romps with his familiar, he created multiple Void-aligned items to be passed down his descendants, in case the power reappeared down the line. While conducting this research, he discovered that due to overcharging windstones in the crust, the entire continent was doomed to explode and become a chain of Albions. 90% casualties were expected.

So it is going to blow up regardless, no way to fix it?
 
Oh boy, I can just imagine how this would go.

Notice that so far, Henry has been play all this long game in the hopes of peace. But if the Elves who want to get rid of the Void push that far...

Then Henry will, in full earnest intent, go to war.
Ironically, this makes Henry a less flexible negotiator than Vittorio who would accept LITERALLY any terms as long as it saved humanity.
 
It's been six thousand of their years, which are longer, and they are not burning nobles at the stake along with their bastard offspring and commoner lovers.

No, I don't believe commoners are a seperate species at this point. Even if they somehow did evolve as a magicless species on the same planet as a magical species of humans, and every other magical species.
 
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The only way I could see is to find a way to mine out all the wind stones, but given the surface area involved, that would be pretty time intensive, and likely wouldn't work.
They can't exactly mine it all, a lot of things have to be considered like where to land the country, the floating island's geological integrity if they were to mine the windstones out, the displacement of the people, the fact that they are literally dissolving a country of its existence, thus ending the Albion line of royal family. The money to cover all the costs. Albionese' agreement to destroy their land. Time is just a small factor among many.

Ironically, this makes Henry a less flexible negotiator than Vittorio who would accept LITERALLY any terms as long as it saved humanity.
Henry's objective is different from Vittorio. He wants not so much the future of humanity as he wants his family, extended family, friends, and his people to be safe. Going the way of Vittorio will cause his important people to be sacrificed. He can't have that.

I imagine he will try to negotiate with the elves, but if he cannot he will try something much more drastic, like assassination.
 
Re: Raiment

They don't actually need to pilot the thing. Hell, taking it to battle is the worst use for it.

What they could is is take it apart (carefully) and figure out how each bit works and the principles behind them. Reverse-engineering even just the engine design could possibly launch Gallia into a full-on industrial revolution.
 
What's funny about the whole windstone catastrophe is all those plans for "let's hide in the Holy Land" are pointless. While, obviously, the author of ZnT didn't think of it the catastrophe as described is an extinction level event. Even if you assume Albion is only 100m thick that's still a mass something on the order of 55.5 trillion metric tons. Some rough calculations give me 1632.60m/s as Albion's terminal velocity so that's an impact energy equivalent to 4 teratons of TNT. For comparison Shoemaker-Levy was equivalent to 6 teratons of TNT.

Throw in all the other crap going on and it's enough to wipe out all life on not just Halkgania but the world.
 
It's been six thousand of their years, which are longer, and they are not burning nobles at the stake along with their bastard offspring and commoner lovers.

No, I don't believe commoners are a seperate species at this point. Even if they somehow did evolve as a magicless species on the same planet as a magical species of humans, and every other magical species.

You can believe whatever you want, that doesn't mean you are correct in your beliefs.

Just keep your anti-vaxer equivalent crap to yourself.

What's funny about the whole windstone catastrophe is all those plans for "let's hide in the Holy Land" are pointless. While, obviously, the author of ZnT didn't think of it the catastrophe as described is an extinction level event. Even if you assume Albion is only 100m thick that's still a mass something on the order of 55.5 trillion metric tons. Some rough calculations give me 1632.60m/s as Albion's terminal velocity so that's an impact energy equivalent to 4 teratons of TNT. For comparison Shoemaker-Levy was equivalent to 6 teratons of TNT.

Throw in all the other crap going on and it's enough to wipe out all life on not just Halkgania but the world.

Magic is involved.

One of the things that makes the Holy Land safe are the contracts with the Spirits the Elves have made through the years, we can guess the Spirits will negate the destruction of the Holy Land in the same way Counter Negates kinetic/thermal and other forms of energy.
 
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What's funny about the whole windstone catastrophe is all those plans for "let's hide in the Holy Land" are pointless. While, obviously, the author of ZnT didn't think of it the catastrophe as described is an extinction level event. Even if you assume Albion is only 100m thick that's still a mass something on the order of 55.5 trillion metric tons. Some rough calculations give me 1632.60m/s as Albion's terminal velocity so that's an impact energy equivalent to 4 teratons of TNT. For comparison Shoemaker-Levy was equivalent to 6 teratons of TNT.

I assume the windstone apoc is not going to crash albion, but instead create new albions while destroying most of the land below.
 
While conducting this research, he discovered that due to overcharging windstones in the crust, the entire continent was doomed to explode and become a chain of Albions. 90% casualties were expected.
I'm confused. What has digging up the overcharged windstones in 'Europe' to do with Albion?

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I assume the windstone apoc is not going to crash albion, but instead create new albions while destroying most of the land below.
IIRC the windstones keeping Albion afloat are running out of power. The whole landmass will come crashing back down soonish.

Basically what happens is that the area around Halkgania is loaded with windstones. Over time those charge up until the force they exert is enough to rip the land free and carry it into the sky, this happened in the past to Albion and caused a great catastrophe, until eventually the stored up power is lost and the land comes crashing back down.

So really it's two problems:
1) Albion cashing back down
2) All the other land going up.
 
-Millenia ago, humans were a mostly tribal civilization, living in the Holy Lands (FoZ!Israel/Palestine), with very crude magic. Brimir categorized the elements and created a System of magic, as well as the Familiar system.
He only created the void magic system the magic other mages used existed before he came along.

-During his exile, and between kinky romps with his familiar, he created multiple Void-aligned items to be passed down his descendants, in case the power reappeared down the line. While conducting this research, he discovered that due to overcharging windstones in the crust, the entire continent was doomed to explode and become a chain of Albions. 90% casualties were expected.
What happens during the windstone crisis is that due directly to Brimir's mass "Clearing and subjugation" of the lands and killing of the native spirits of the Halkeginian continent, the cycles that create Windstones no longer are regulated properly, causing a massive buildup of said windstones deep down beneath the surface of the planet.

So all this shit happening is their god's fault.


One of the things that makes the Holy Land safe are the contracts with the Spirits the Elves have made through the years, we can guess the Spirits will negate the destruction of the Holy Land in the same way Counter Negates kinetic/thermal and other forms of energy.
And the spirits would of told the elves of this shit year ago so it's likely they could just leave and come back later on and terraform their land back to the way they like it.
 
It is implied Albion is the biggest chunk of another landmass that exploded.
Thanks; I was referring to UberJJK's extinction level scenario that happens when Albion drops (at least that's what I get from his computation). Althoug desintegrating Europe into a chain of Albions should be roughly equivalent to the eruption of a supervulcano.
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IIRC the windstones keeping Albion afloat are running out of power. The whole landmass will come crashing back down soonish.

Basically what happens is that the area around Halkgania is loaded with windstones. Over time those charge up until the force they exert is enough to rip the land free and carry it into the sky, this happened in the past to Albion and caused a great catastrophe, until eventually the stored up power is lost and the land comes crashing back down.

So really it's two problems:
1) Albion cashing back down
2) All the other land going up.
Where's the structural stability coming from (large chunks of matter staying together), and why is it happening now? And not every 10,000 years or whatever?
And what happens to the land not 'ripped out'? Lakes, vulcanoes, sinks beneath the waves, ???
 
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Some rough calculations give me 1632.60m/s as Albion's terminal velocity so that's an impact energy equivalent to 4 teratons of TNT. For comparison Shoemaker-Levy was equivalent to 6 teratons of TNT.

This is highly dependent on how high up Albion actually is. Additionally, I would like to check over your calcs myself. A simple order of magnitude computation I just did disagrees strongly with your conclusion.
 
He only created the void magic system the magic other mages used existed before he came alon

The magic existed, but it was crude; i.e. no formal system and categorization of spells.

Everything else is true though, Brimir's conquest of Halk caused the apocalypse.
 
You can believe whatever you want, that doesn't mean you are correct in your beliefs.

Just keep your anti-vaxer equivalent crap to yourself.
[Citation Needed!]

First of all, show me where the author of Familiar of Zero said that commoners were a seperate species than Mages.

Second show me where I endorsed any opinion that is the equivalent of telling parents not to vaccinate their children.
 
What's funny about the whole windstone catastrophe is all those plans for "let's hide in the Holy Land" are pointless. While, obviously, the author of ZnT didn't think of it the catastrophe as described is an extinction level event. Even if you assume Albion is only 100m thick that's still a mass something on the order of 55.5 trillion metric tons. Some rough calculations give me 1632.60m/s as Albion's terminal velocity so that's an impact energy equivalent to 4 teratons of TNT. For comparison Shoemaker-Levy was equivalent to 6 teratons of TNT.

Throw in all the other crap going on and it's enough to wipe out all life on not just Halkgania but the world.
But what if I blamed magic?
 
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