I'm guessing there's a certain amount of breeding necessary to create better mages. There's a reason why there's a nobility rather than everyone having magic. It'd make a fair amount of sense too. Strong mages get more power and influence and marry strong mages. The trend continues and eventually you have a ruling class.
Noblesse Oblige [Znt/SI]
Chaoswind
Lord of nonsense
- Location
- Latin America
Nope.
"Nobles" are decendants of a very small tribe of humans (homomagus) that conquered the humans without magic of Halkeginia, think a couple hundred homomagus conquering (not like commoners fought them a whole lot) hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people.
The humans without magic submitted to the rule of nobles because crap was actually very bad before they got there, with many hostile first-born races attacking and eating normal humans wholesale.
Normal humans don't have magic because their blood has never been mixed with the homomagus.
Bastards of important families actually end up as petty nobles at worst so that limits the mixing of blood even more.
Vanargand
So tired.....
Ia ia Shade Ftagahn'!
- Location
- Serbia
Yes because the U.S. is, amongst all of the countries in human history, alone in that regard.
You can freely show a video or make a game where people get butchered in the most horrific of ways and no one will bat an eyelash. A nipple slip will start a witch hunt. I've seen 18-21 year olds with 17 year old girlfriends get jailed for statutory rape quite a few times in the news. At 18, you are old enough to go to war but not old enough to drink. Face it friend, Americans are weird.
Well that's more than a bit horrifying. The thought of a couple hundred generations of infanticide is pretty terrible.
That's another thing. Are the nobles in ZNT somehow immune to the negative effects of inbreeding? I mean 6000 years. Every single one of them should look like Charles II except worse.
Silver W. King
King of Adventures
- Location
- The Nasuverse
Oh yes, that is exactly the type of strategy I waited for Henry to use.
"Oh? You want freedom? Go right ahead, I even give you some money to help you out."
And of course she didn't take it, because freedom is a big fucking responsibility. It would require work and effort. No way miss entitled would have the balls to take that option.
Finally, her reaction to Isabella while understanding, is pretty dumb.
He just said that's his wife. Why the hell do you expect him to make a move on you?
"Oh? You want freedom? Go right ahead, I even give you some money to help you out."
And of course she didn't take it, because freedom is a big fucking responsibility. It would require work and effort. No way miss entitled would have the balls to take that option.
Finally, her reaction to Isabella while understanding, is pretty dumb.
He just said that's his wife. Why the hell do you expect him to make a move on you?
For all we know, all Halk's population technically can do magic, but the vast majority of commoners are so damn weak at it that they can barely levitate a small cup of water after decades of training. Then the more recent bastards or those just lucky enough to get all the "right" genes for magic get coopted into the system, while the rest are only magical in the technical sense upon comparison with those from outside Halk. Academically relevant perhaps, but not functionally so.
I assume that's the canon explanation? We're talking full-on speciation here?
croaker
Six Hundred and Sixty-Six Beasts
She's read enough LNs to know where this is going.
Depends on the initial population actually. If they keep track, and they likely do, then there's probably not much risk if it's not cousins upon cousins routinely.
Evillevi
A Pikachu for everything - Shadow Pikachu,2015
It's possible that magic is genetically reccesive and practically dominant.
Remember that Karin is roughly equivalent to the standard magic users of Brimr's time. That the current generations are so far below that implies a lot of the practicalities of magic leaving the nobility. More to the point it's possible that by constantly marrying other nobles, Magic users are significantly stronger within this genetic group than the few who are born outside of it.
Additionally the Prisoner Dillema also applies. Those few non-noble mages with stronger than average powers would be fast track to success in a system that benefits them. Granted they have to give up marrying a commoner, but who wouldn't want to have the riches associated with becoming a full fledges noble.
They got magic
More specifically it's likely that the genetic problems of inbreeding were mitigated by the occasional non-mage bloodline, which is why current mages are so weak. Combined with a big enough population, the dangers of inbreeding would be minimal.
- Location
- Serbia
The tribe was called the Markay but yes, that's the canon explanation. The original mages from Brimir's time were on average square class in all elements. Given the strength of modern day mages, it is likely their blood has been diluted quite a bit.
- Location
- Singapore
The founding population was probably big enough to avoid inbreeding. Plus, interbreeding means that mages have been probably getting weaker, even if a very strong caste system was in place in Halkagenia, and Mages literally tried to avoid bloodline contamination by adopting Brahmin like social practices.
You know, if the source wasn't so wedded to JRPG interpretations of Western style fantasy, and deliberately set in Baroque fantasy France, I think a Hindu style caste system where Mages are literally Brahmins would have been very, very plausible outcome; instead of the Late Medieval Frankish Feudalism social structure that Halkagenia reflects.
You know, if the source wasn't so wedded to JRPG interpretations of Western style fantasy, and deliberately set in Baroque fantasy France, I think a Hindu style caste system where Mages are literally Brahmins would have been very, very plausible outcome; instead of the Late Medieval Frankish Feudalism social structure that Halkagenia reflects.
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Chaoswind
Lord of nonsense
- Location
- Latin America
Nobles don't marry commoners, bastards are not encouraged and the ones that happen are raised to the petty nobility and those don't marry commoners either because they want to raise in status, so petty nobles marry other petty nobles, or if they are lucky they marry proper nobles.
Fabuzer
The Almighty
- Location
- Milan, Italy
Urgh, really? I didn't mean it that way. I just meant that she was taking everything for granted.
AZATHOTHoth
༼ つ ☀️_☀️ ༽つ
I thought it was because all the weak mages during that time got killed and all the talented strong ones became stronger?
- Location
- England
If I was Henry I'd already have started making subtle pop culture references just to freak her the fuck out, assuming the two come from vaguely similar times. He going to tell her he knows of/is from there eventually? When she's a bit more chill?
- Location
- Serbia
That played a part, sure. At the same time, there have been no mages who have achieved square class in all elements in all of recorded history. I am pretty sure such a thing is considered impossible. Karin is considered the strongest wind mage in living memory and she is still weaker then the average Markay from Brimir's time. The war with the Varyag was especially brutal but it's not like regular wars are much better. So where are all the 10 year old square class mages? Modern day super geniuses would have been considered below average back then.
- Location
- Germany
- Pronouns
- He/Him
That's why I asked. You know - hear something, understand something, then make sure the understanding matches the intention?
- Pronouns
- she/her
Honestly the repeated attempts to accuse Henry and Joseph of pedophillia have slowly murdered my sense of sympathy for this girl. She comes off as the kind of imbecile who thinks SWATting is a good prank.
And if she actually believed those accusations, you'd think she'd have more concerns about letting these people decide her future regardless of how allergic she is to responsibility.
I wonder how she'll react that since she is considered an "adult", Gallia doesn't consider it pedophillia.
Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
- Location
- Central Park
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They/Them
Why does Henry still lack a Hippogriff?
Hakazin
Serpent Admirer
- Pronouns
- She/Her
-Shrug- She's panicking and lashing out. If I were in the same situation, I'd give 50/50 odds on me having been executed already for saying something incredibly stupid.