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Noblesse Oblige [Znt/SI]

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MinorGryph said:
I call bullshit on the claim that there was an important lesson in humility for either party as a result of this solution.

Charles' current situation is the direct result of trying to ask others for help instead of relying on his own power to solve all his problems. And killing Henry wasn't going to fuck him over, it was made very clear by all other parties involved that Charles did have the justification to murder Henry in a duel over this, and that Henry would be relying on his sense of mercy for survival. However Charles still did not learn anything by deciding to not to turn Henry into a fine paste as he was already stated to not normally kill people in duels.

And the latest chapter makes it very clear whether or not Henry learned any real humility from this:

9.5/10 as according to keikaku, would play suicide chicken again with revisions.
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I don't think you quite understand what Henry meant.
He didn't mean: "I planned all of this, including this duel, and the outcome was exactly what I expected it to be. My plans always succeed, so I'll do something this suicidal again soon. Clearly it'll be fine. I'm like Aizen, only better."
It was: "Well, I got the shit beaten out of me by a Square mage. Exactly what I expected. I had no way of beating him as a damn Triangle mage, after all. Still, I wasn't splattered all over the pavement, which is nice, and I should be thankful Charles generally doesn't kill people in duels. Still sucked. Gotta have a Training Montage From Hell to make sure this doesn't happen again. I will inevitably have to fight for my life once we get to the bullshit of canon, so doing what Isabella wants and not training is simply not going to happen. Though I would still do this if I had to, this really brought home how dangerous the whole thing was. Gotta be careful."
 
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ChaosRuneSmith said:
Heresy! Our Lord is the unholy union of the flash and a typewriter. Such a creature needs not something as trivial as sleep.
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Is that so?
My apologies, I had not realised that Shade was the Omnissiah. Although that would explain Ravens quoting of Warhammer.

Wait, if he does not need sleep why would he need coffee?
Would you deny Our Lord his divine substance, I am new to the fold and need guidance in his ways and yet even I know that what you speak is heresy of the highest order!
 
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Sooo, did Shade spend a lot of time to teach his Raven every single reference he could remember, or is there something weirder going on? Because the picture of him speking to a giant bird and repeating tidbits of knowledge is very funny. Especially if the servants, who are often not to be seen, heard him having long conversations about hate, vengence and the God-Emperor.
 
MinorGryph said:
And killing Henry wasn't going to fuck him over, it was made very clear by all other parties involved that Charles did have the justification to murder Henry in a duel over this, and that Henry would be relying on his sense of mercy for survival.
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And Isabella and Karin would be perfectly reasonable about it and not carry a grudge against Charles...
 
MinorGryph said:
I call bullshit on the claim that there was an important lesson in humility for either party as a result of this solution.

Charles' current situation is the direct result of trying to ask others for help instead of relying on his own power to solve all his problems. And killing Henry wasn't going to fuck him over, it was made very clear by all other parties involved that Charles did have the justification to murder Henry in a duel over this, and that Henry would be relying on his sense of mercy for survival. However Charles still did not learn anything by deciding to not to turn Henry into a fine paste as he was already stated to not normally kill people in duels.

And the latest chapter makes it very clear whether or not Henry learned any real humility from this:

9.5/10 as according to keikaku, would play suicide chicken again with revisions.
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Thanks for clarifying.
 
One thing I can't understand is. What I did without Shade's fiction all these years. How I managed to survive?..
 
Holy shit, I'm pretty sure Raven just evolved. He is far more articulate than we've ever seen before.

Also, white feathers. Obviously a sign.
 
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MinorGryph said:
I call bullshit on the claim that there was an important lesson in humility for either party as a result of this solution.

Charles' current situation is the direct result of trying to ask others for help instead of relying on his own power to solve all his problems. And killing Henry wasn't going to fuck him over, it was made very clear by all other parties involved that Charles did have the justification to murder Henry in a duel over this, and that Henry would be relying on his sense of mercy for survival. However Charles still did not learn anything by deciding to not to turn Henry into a fine paste as he was already stated to not normally kill people in duels.
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So, is it fine to kill the guy who an entire Kingdom sent as a symbol of their alliance, the husband of the crown princess, the son of another Square mage, Marshall of the realm simply because he took away a daughter who was illegitimate at the time? Eeesh.

Also, what 'direct result of asking others for help'? Josette's discovery is due to Henry's foreknowledge, and there is no way for Charles to have conceivably figured it out if not for Joseph. In fact, Josette's return is due to Joseph's prodding of Henry, and not Charle's own efforts.
 
Dragonskyt said:
Paranoia. This is a Shade fic. Just because you can't see the Angst, does not mean its not there.
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Sadly, at this point I'm beggining to feel that We Are the Angst and Shade Is the Fluff, that He changed the rules of the world, Of Gaia to his convenience and altered the natural order of thing.

  • Thus, this is a Shade Fic. if you can't see the Angst is because you're the Angst :c
 
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Omake - The Crows Nestles, and So Does Isabella
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    • A quickie before I head for a catering job.

    shadenight123 said:
    Isabella wasn't pleased I had slept in the same nest as my familiar.
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    Master Henry was elsewhere tonight. Unfortunately, Isabella knew he was up to no good and went to interrogate him. How unfortunate for her that the Raven was to detain her indefinitely.

    Raven looked down at his master's mate. She glared up at him and was saying something. Was it important? He didn't really know. Nor care.

    Oh, look at that. She's making that adorable face and-! Oh, the little thing was trying to threaten him! How adorable! Raven's heart seized for a moment at the sheer cuteness of the human female. Master would pat her on the head and calm her down with sweet tender nothings. Raven had a better idea.

    With agility and grace belying his size, the familiar swept Isabella into his nest. She cried out in surprise, falling onto his soft and fluffy plumage.

    "S-stupid familiar! This is highly improper! We will not stand for this insolence!"

    Raven tilted his head and crooned, shifting his weight so her body pressed against his lovely scented feathers.

    "...you're warm..."

    "Pleasantly fluffy. You love Henry. I love Henry. We miss Henry! I am lonely. Please stay with me tonight?"

    The wisp of a human fell still. And the Raven knew triumph.

    "I... um..." Indecision warred with a childish desire to cuddle with something fluffy, that intrinsic instinct of all young girls to throw aside and descend into impropriety.

    Raven made the decision for her and wrapped a wing around her, like a warm blanket.

    Isabella tensed, but as the seconds passed by, she gradually relaxed.

    "Would you like me to sing you a lullaby?" Asked the Raven, his voice a whisper.

    "Y-you can sing?" Whispered Isabella, her interest piquing.

    "The snow in the air
    To sing me a lullaby
    My winter, come hither to me

    "The dark nights to come
    So, kiss me for good-bye
    The grace of the godland is near to you"

    "Show me the flowers invisible
    Sing me the hymns inaudible
    The wind is my voice
    The moon is my heart
    Come find me, I'm on every hills and fields
    I'm here... ever your near...
    Sing for your love, gone so far in the past
    Pray for the world, that you may rest in peace

    "The snow in the air
    To sing me a lullaby
    The angel of rebirth is here

    "So let all your pain
    Sleep within the husha-by
    The grace of the godland
    Grace of the godland
    Grace of the godland is near...
    So close to you...    "

    Raven let the song end. She was asleep. And his master would be home soon. With croissants and jam. His reward for a job well done. He tucked his head down and closed his eyes.
    "Henry, welcome home! We love you!"
     
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    • Sidenote, I'm rather imagining Mathilda's reaction to this whole debacle, and how likely she is to start thinking that she might need to start practicing her assassination skills so she can take vengeance on the person who finally end actually murdering the hell out of Henry... :p

    Also, in a sidenote of the sidenote, do we have a index for omakes? There isn't much in the threadmarks...
     
    Felius said:
    And Isabella and Karin would be perfectly reasonable about it and not carry a grudge against Charles...
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    From the feats shown in fic Karin would lose if she fought Charles. Its been pointed out multiple times that she's old, and she's spent the last 30 years doing border patrol, popping out kids, and more recently getting baked and indulging in the munchies. Charles is undeniably in far better shape and practice, and then he also has the Royal hexagon magic to aid him in countering her brute strength.

    What's Isabella going to do to her uncle, remove all his power in court and send him into exile? Isabella's options for revenge are limited both by her weakness as a mage and the fact that Charles has pretty much hit the rock bottom a royal family member can reach without going full nameless wandering hobo.
    EmpirePlayer said:
    So, is it fine to kill the guy who an entire Kingdom sent as a symbol of their alliance, the husband of the crown princess, the son of another Square mage, Marshall of the realm simply because he took away a daughter who was illegitimate at the time? Eeesh.
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    Considering both Joseph and Isabella warn Henry that Charles can kill him or a representative over this in the duel... yup the offense was that severe. Fun fact: Gallia doesn't actually need the alliance with Tristain now that the realm has stabilized under Joseph's rule. Certainly wouldn't be ideal for Gallia as a country to lose an ally, but that's not Charles problem anymore! After all he isn't the King.

    Also, what 'direct result of asking others for help'? Josette's discovery is due to Henry's foreknowledge, and there is no way for Charles to have conceivably figured it out if not for Joseph. In fact, Josette's return is due to Joseph's prodding of Henry, and not Charle's own efforts.
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    Current situation as in loss of all support in court and self-imposed exile from grief/shame. That's the direct result of asking Joseph and Henry for help.

    Had Charles not given a crap about Josette's kidnapping and kept mum, Henry wouldn't have had any damaging dirt on him without throwing Josette under the bus and losing any moral high ground. And also wouldn't have been able to do the inquisition at all.
     
    MinorGryph said:
    What's Isabella going to do to her uncle, remove all his power in court and send him into exile? Isabella's options for revenge are limited both by her weakness as a mage and the fact that Charles has pretty much hit the rock bottom a royal family member can reach without going full nameless wandering hobo.
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    Remember how canon Isabella handled canon CharlotteTabitha? Yeah... And there's always the way Joseph handled Charles in canon. Someone that high ranking having that much of a grudge against you is not a healthy thing, specially once she actually becomes the Queen. There's a lot she can do to take revenge on Charles...
     
    Felius said:
    Remember how canon Isabella handled canon CharlotteTabitha? Yeah... And there's always the way Joseph handled Charles in canon. Someone that high ranking having that much of a grudge against you is not a healthy thing, specially once she actually becomes the Queen. There's a lot she can do to take revenge on Charles...
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    Bat-Charlotte Begins.
     
    MinorGryph said:
    he also has the Royal hexagon magic to aid him in countering her brute strength.
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    Going to point that that this 'Hexagon' Magic needed two Mages working together to produce in canon. I would call bullshit if Charles pulled this out on his lonesome.
    MinorGryph said:
    What's Isabella going to do to her uncle, remove all his power in court and send him into exile? Isabella's options for revenge are limited both by her weakness as a mage and the fact that Charles has pretty much hit the rock bottom a royal family member can reach without going full nameless wandering hobo.
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    Queen of a country. I very much doubt Galia does not have more Square Mages, though we have not seen any other on-screen yet. Also, extensive spy and assassination network. Being a Triangle Mage certainly didn't help Wales when he got shanked by Wardes.
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    Fun fact: Gallia doesn't actually need the alliance with Tristain now that the realm has stabilized under Joseph's rule. Certainly wouldn't be ideal for Gallia as a country to lose an ally, but that's not Charles problem anymore! After all he isn't the King.
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    ...what? He really should care, because at the end of the day, he is still part of the Royal Family of Galia. And it is not only the alliance at stake, but a possible war.
    MinorGryph said:
    Current situation as in loss of all support in court and self-imposed exile from grief/shame. That's the direct result of asking Joseph and Henry for help.

    Had Charles not given a crap about Josette's kidnapping and kept mum, Henry wouldn't have had any damaging dirt on him without throwing Josette under the bus and losing any moral high ground. And also wouldn't have been able to do the inquisition at all.
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    Huh. Sorry about this, I misinterpreted what you said to mean Charles was making a mistake to rely on someone else for taking care of Josette.

    That would have been the preferred result for Henry, yes. After all, if Charles kept quiet, Henry would have most likely just kept Josette in in Vallierie lands. Henry just took the opportunity given to him to also dig up dirt on everyone for his wife's use.
     
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