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Crilltic said:
She's on the Throne because she was mortally wounded pile-driving Irem through a mountain.
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Yes, and Al'Reb rammed his flying Vimana into Irem to finish it off, destroying them both, but you don't see us making that much of a fuss.

In fairness, that's mostly because we're too busy purging subversive un-Bharatist elements from our society, but still.
 
Secretariat said:
Cydonia New Grantville says you can't abandon your political opponents to die on Earth and still call yourself a democracy. :p
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Awww, but look! Now they're getting everywhere, starting a civil war, and teaming up so they can be reactionary theocrats!

Can't I just 'accidentally' not have enough ships for them to come along, pretty please?

I don't want to have to deal with the same problems the Mughals had in MSS but even worse and without any redeeming factors!

:(
 
THatWhichWillBe said:
Awww, but look! Now they're getting everywhere, starting a civil war, and teaming up so they can be reactionary theocrats!

Can't I just 'accidentally' not have enough ships for them to come along, pretty please?

I don't want to have to deal with the same problems the Mughals had in MSS but even worse and without any redeeming factors!

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You have a very fundamentally different problems than the Mughals did in NSS. The NSS Mughals were a huge but rickety nation beset with factionalism and a lack of internal authority. Here you're smaller and have the very different issue of just existing in a state of hostility with other independent powers. The Mughal government itself is pretty fundamentally united, centralized, and well-administered, and while the reactionaries and radicals hate each other neither have any desire of splitting off, only of crushing the others (and then the Marathas and Rakasha and what not).
 
Secretariat said:
I mean, you could always play something else...
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Well, I could, but I've put too much effort into trying to build the Mughals up to not follow through.
ChineseDrone said:
The NSS Mughals were a huge but rickety nation beset with factionalism.
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ChineseDrone said:
Here you're smaller
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ChineseDrone said:
and the reactionaries and radicals hate each other
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So, the changes are basically that I'm smaller and I probably won't have a civil war, just a politically deadlocked government?

It really doesn't sound like anything really that different. Also, doesn't this:
ChineseDrone said:
he Mughal government itself is pretty fundamentally united
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Not really make that much sense? Why would the government be united if the people in it hate each other?

I mean I'm still playing the Mughals however this goes down, because I'm a sucker for pain and I'll be darned if I don't keep trying to straighten the Mughals out.
 
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THatWhichWillBe said:
So, the changes are basically that I'm smaller and I probably won't have a civil war, just a politically deadlocked government?

It really doesn't sound like anything really that different. Also, doesn't this:

Not really make that much sense? Why would the government be united if the people in it hate each other?

I mean I'm still playing the Mughals however this goes down, because I'm a sucker for pain and I'll be darned if I don't keep trying to straighten the Mughals out.
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When I say fundamentally united I mean that neither side actually wants the Mughal Empire to split apart. They just want to purge the other fuckers. By a few turns in, one side or the other will almost certainly actually gain power (alternatively the Emperor can appease both to establish a middle ground if he's really lucky), purge the other, and establish their own control over the state. Which one actually wins is mostly up to you, really.
 
ChineseDrone said:
When I say fundamentally united I mean that neither side actually wants the Mughal Empire to split apart. They just want to purge the other fuckers.
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So same old, then.
ChineseDrone said:
(alternatively the Emperor can appease both to establish a middle ground if he's really lucky)
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hahahahaha tried that last time, not doing that again.
ChineseDrone said:
Which one actually wins is mostly up to you, really.
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That's fair.
 
Now that I've thought about it some more, a big part of the reason I dislike the new situation is that it doesn't feel like Mughal India's position has changed, really.

Last game, I had internal strife within, and enemies without, being caught in a political game played by Japan and Iran, who were opposed to the USE. Iran loomed over me with it's superior control of the skies, hungry for Indian clay to turn into vassal states. Iran had a bunch of protectorates at my borders, and completely outclassed me.

Here, I have internal strife within, enemies without, and I'm caught in what's basically a proxy war between the United Front and the USM. Iran looms over me, with the Rakshasha, Rajput, and Maratha allies of the United Front[Which Iran is a major part of] clawing at the door. Iran is also a major economic power with significant presence in other dimensions and everything, compared to me, who is..... just kinda there, except with a space elevator around.


.... On the other hand, I can't say I have no idea of the political reality, or that I'm entirely unfamiliar with it.
Mina said:
You're going to choke on all the spaghetti my friend. :rolleyes:
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What does spaghetti mean in this context?
 
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I call ultra-dibs for the Olympian Republic, and also strongly lobby for the fact that the Inca - who had a functioning stargate, were starting interplanar/stellar exploration with the stargate and whose entire aesthetic was going to be 'literally turning the Andes into a hive-city' - get Olympus Mons and surrounding area.

'cos I'm going to have my space-dwarves even if I must shank someone with brain-knives.
 
THatWhichWillBe said:
Now that I've thought about it some more, a big part of the reason I dislike the new situation is that it doesn't feel like Mughal India's position has changed, really.

Last game, I had internal strife within, and enemies without, being caught in a political game played by Japan and Iran, who were opposed to the USE. Iran loomed over me with it's superior control of the skies, hungry for Indian clay to turn into vassal states. Iran had a bunch of protectorates at my borders, and completely outclassed me.

Here, I have internal strife within, enemies without, and I'm caught in what's basically a proxy war between the United Front and the USM. Iran looms over me, with the Rakshasha, Rajput, and Maratha allies of the United Front[Which Iran is a major part of] clawing at the door. Iran is also a major economic power with significant presence in other dimensions and everything, compared to me, who is..... just kinda there, except with a space elevator around.


.... On the other hand, I can't say I have no idea of the political reality, or that I'm entirely unfamiliar with it.

What does spaghetti mean in this context?
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You could always play someone else
 
Dekutulla said:
You could always play someone else
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As I said, I'm gonna play them anyway because I've kinda invested myself in them.

I mean, what else could I play that someone else won't already want to have taken? The Maratha? Araby?

The problem I have is that I feel like despite OSS being set 50-100 years in the future of NSS, it feels like the work I put into changing the situation of the Mughals for the better didn't do anything at all. Which is disappointing.
 
THatWhichWillBe said:
As I said, I'm gonna play them anyway because I've kinda invested myself in them.

I mean, what else could I play that someone else won't already want to have taken? The Maratha? Araby?

The problem I have is that I feel like despite OSS being set 50-100 years in the future of NSS, it feels like the work I put into changing the situation of the Mughals for the better didn't do anything at all. Which is disappointing.
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If I'm reading this right, think less "Oh no, factionalism!" and more "Which one do I want to pick as my junior union partner?"
 
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