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[Nanoha/Vividred] All the colours of the Earth

You know, even if we do end up following canon here we could always have RH check there Mana Pools and such later on for an IC reason to talk to them about it all. I assume that's something that can be done at close range?
 
ShadowAngelBeta said:
You know, even if we do end up following canon here we could always have RH check there Mana Pools and such later on for an IC reason to talk to them about it all. I assume that's something that can be done at close range?
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We could just boot up a Barrier. If they have magic potential they'd be stuck inside.
 
Baughn said:
He's an archeologist. RH doesn't fit the aesthetic of, well, any other device in the series, unless you count the Jewel Seeds. He dug it up.

Absolutely. It isn't human-grade AI, but it's getting close. Personally, as a programmer, I'd find it odd if RH gets locked to a single person - that's not how you want your weapons, and with AI involved any such hard rule is highly suspicious; if something like that got stated later, it's equally likely to be due to RH not wanting anyone else to use it.
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Intelligent Devices are interesting bunch actually, they seems be hybrids between unison, armed and storage devices. (TSAB even had Armed Device cross-compatible parts for them)

They have AI almost comparable with unison devices, and they can full the functions both armed and strorage devices.

Also they seems to be custom built, with the exception of RH and Bardiche, who are most likely excavated.
 
Didn't Linith make Bardiche? ... Then again Precia was sitting around in an ancient relic. It'd be weird for it not to have some Devices lying around.
 
pressea said:
Didn't Linith make Bardiche? ... Then again Precia was sitting around in an ancient relic. It'd be weird for it not to have some Devices lying around.
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It is unclear.



Garden of Time was relic itself, so Bardiche is either a relic itself, or it was made from relic parts.
 
Baughn said:
Absolutely. It isn't human-grade AI, but it's getting close. Personally, as a programmer, I'd find it odd if RH gets locked to a single person - that's not how you want your weapons, and with AI involved any such hard rule is highly suspicious; if something like that got stated later, it's equally likely to be due to RH not wanting anyone else to use it.
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I'd interpret it less as locking users out and more that part of the benefit of using an intelligent device instead of a storage device is that it can over time learn more about the user to get better efficiency and capable of providing independent assistance based off it's knowledge of the users style.

If you are just going to pick up a device with the intent of using it for a short amount of time it is better to use a storage device as the advantages for using an intelligent device take a while to build up and the disadvantages are immediate.

It's probably even worse when dealing with and intelligent device that is already optimized for someone else.

That and if I had a device that important to my life and that potentially dangerous I would give it some pretty good security features against theft for others using it without my permission.
 
RH can do that though. She refused to boot until given the upgrades she wanted. Stands to reason that unauthorized owners can just keep getting error messages.
 
Since when does SB suddenly hate the shiny?

Also, how do you guys think Alice is going to find Yuuno if Nanoha doesn't lead her to him?
 
[X] force yourself to your feet and follow the voice.

RH is very eager to fight everywhere and she seems to disregard her own safety on order to complete her duty. When she requested the upgrade it was almost like like she was frustrated about her loss against Gref Eisen.
Winged One said:
Since when does SB suddenly hate the shiny?

Also, how do you guys think Alice is going to find Yuuno if Nanoha doesn't lead her to him?
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It is the case of SB paranoia, where the voters select the safest option, even if the GM is not evil.
 
tyaty1 said:
It is the case of SB paranoia, where the voters select the safest option, even if the GM is not evil.
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Hmm?
tyaty1 said:
[X] force yourself to your feet and follow the voice.
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Oh, you think this one is safe? Interesting.

(Seriously, though, I don't like bad ends. You'll need to fight for it if you want one. I do like derailing the canon plot, but I think it's already too late for that one.)
 
[X] force yourself to your feet and follow the voice.

There's no way this is the safe option. Chances are pretty high we're going to encounter whatever it was that almost killed Yunno, which would normally be dangerous to encounter, much less when we can barely walk. RH is worth the danger, it's just too awesome. If anything does happen we can just hope that Nanoha's ninja heritage keeps her alive.
 
FullSimon said:
For a different path. Assuming Nanoha has a book of darkness already linked. She needs magic friends more than another boomstick
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I still think it's interaction between her mage potential and the VividRed magic power plant thing.

No option is safe, I expect; even Plan NOPE would mean leaving the Jewel Seeds to rampage.
 
Baughn said:
Hmm?

Oh, you think this one is safe? Interesting.

(Seriously, though I don't like bad ends. You'll need to fight for it if you want one. I do like derailing the canon plot, but I think it's already too late for that one.)
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No, I don't. I just went the most canon-ish option to ensure that Nanoha gets RH.

I only go for safe options if the quest is hard-mode, or bad rolls can fuck it up(like Moid's Crossbred Prscilla quest).
 
[x] Ask Suzuka to search for - someone else is also hurt -
-[x] Focus on forcing the noise AND the voice to the back of your mind. You won't let it remind you of the noise. You won't!
-[x] Follow.

Now that this has no danger of winning, I'll toss it out there. Fuck your mind-shouting, Yuuno. Also Suzuka just because it's not a default for some inexplicable reason.
 
So by a virtual landslide:​
[X] Ask Arisu to search for - someone else is also hurt -​
Interesting.​
 
You had something ominous to say for Plan NOPE too, didn't you?
 
That? It would have killed Yuuno, so I don't think I need to go into details on the consequences. He's the only one who knows RH's passphrase.
 
tyaty1 said:
It is unclear.



Garden of Time was relic itself, so Bardiche is either a relic itself, or it was made from relic parts.
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It's pretty clear actually that it was made by Lynnith. And they weren't using Garden then, they were living in the lab on Mid.
tyaty1 said:
Intelligent Devices are interesting bunch actually, they seems be hybrids between unison, armed and storage devices. (TSAB even had Armed Device cross-compatible parts for them)

They have AI almost comparable with unison devices, and they can full the functions both armed and strorage devices.

Also they seems to be custom built, with the exception of RH and Bardiche, who are most likely excavated.
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Not exactly true. There is problem in classification because there are two classification - type and function. While Unison devices are pretty solid case in both, others do interact.

There is functionality classification: Armed, Storage, Boost, Utility, (whatever else)
There is intelligence classification: Intelligent devices and the rest

Problem comes in Belkan holdout that makes Armed devices Armed first and Intelligent or not second. For the rest we have Intelligent Devices that are Storage (Raising Heart), Utility (Mach Caliber), Boost (Kerikeyon) - but they all are called Intelligent, while clearly another example of Intelligent device which is Laevantein is called Armed.

Also where did you see non-armed Intelligent device that was funcioning as armed? Because I don't remember proper example. Simple blocking or "hardlight" constructs do not require Intelligent device, Revolver Knuckle is NOT part of Mach Caliber (though "slaved" to it like Swerzkreuz, ToNS and ToAS are "slaved" to Rein II in full unison) and I don't remember any other example of non-armed device used as weapon.
 
Baughn said:
Absolutely. It isn't human-grade AI, but it's getting close. Personally, as a programmer, I'd find it odd if RH gets locked to a single person - that's not how you want your weapons, and with AI involved any such hard rule is highly suspicious; if something like that got stated later, it's equally likely to be due to RH not wanting anyone else to use it.
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Heh, main reason Intelligent Devices are unpopular is not cost (which is there) but fact they are, well, intelligent and have they own opinion over everything. Which kinda makes they unreliable for any user they don't like or in situation they don't like. Not as unreliable as Unison devices that can simply bodyjack they user, but device "just" going "fuck you, do it yourself" in dangerous situation is enough risk that they aren't used by anybody that is not ready to form stable and usually life-long relationship.

RH relationship with Nanoha is not about "priority user" or "user" at all - it's easy to see that by how it just plain gone "passwords, what passwords?" in second encounter.

PS. Main problem with Yuno I think that he just never actually dealt with Intelligent devices before. Or he wouldn't be surprised about the very same encounter. He treated RH like a tool... and it... weeeeelll.... acted like a complete tool and not like proper ID.
 
al103 said:
It's pretty clear actually that it was made by Lynnith. And they weren't using Garden then, they were living in the lab on Mid.


Not exactly true. There is problem in classification because there are two classification - type and function. While Unison devices are pretty solid case in both, others do interact.

There is functionality classification: Armed, Storage, Boost, Utility, (whatever else)
There is intelligence classification: Intelligent devices and the rest

Problem comes in Belkan holdout that makes Armed devices Armed first and Intelligent or not second. For the rest we have Intelligent Devices that are Storage (Raising Heart), Utility (Mach Caliber), Boost (Kerikeyon) - but they all are called Intelligent, while clearly another example of Intelligent device which is Laevantein is called Armed.

Also where did you see non-armed Intelligent device that was funcioning as armed? Because I don't remember proper example. Simple blocking or "hardlight" constructs do not require Intelligent device, Revolver Knuckle is NOT part of Mach Caliber (though "slaved" to it like Swerzkreuz, ToNS and ToAS are "slaved" to Rein II in full unison) and I don't remember any other example of non-armed device used as weapon.
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Bardiche worked as both Storage and Armed device, Raising Heart Exelion also worked very well as a lance (Exelion Buster A.C.S. Drive)
 
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