While Tython may have been a home of them back then I am sure that it should not be discounted that the origin of the study of the Force is in Jedha, the land of a thousand faiths. Because the story seems to mix lore on both canons that to definitively say that Tython is the origin is discounting the considerable influence Jedha has had on forming the psyche of force sects in their past, current, and future iterations. While the code was forged from Acht-To and the order may have moved to Tython for more living space it is the pilgrimages to Jedha is what has formed the basis of their order.
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I would like to remind you that the QM ruled that one as Non-Canon.
Aside from Luke being a hermit there for . . . six years? I haven't watched the new movies, so I only have what other people have said and TV Tropes to go on.
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Hearsay. Fanwork. Heresy.
At no point did Luke become a hermit. His presence in the galaxy at large is well-documented (Consider 19 ABY and his acquisition of a copy of the Caamas Document). Admittedly, I'm pretty fuzzy post-Survivor's Quest, but his disposition prior to 22 ABY is well-known. After 22 ABY, I presume he's still out and about participating in galactic affairs. Moreover, he's married; why would he become a hermit? (Can two people even be considered hermits?)
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Tython is in a weird situation in the new canon, insofar as it is still there. IIRC, at least.
That said, the most likely situation is something like:
Jedha is the origin of a lot of Force stuff, before the Je'daii Order is established on Tython. This fractures and splits apart as the first Light and Dark Siders of note. Eventually the nascent Jedi Order wins and is the dominate Force order in the galaxy until they have another schism and those Dark Jedi are the forefathers of the Sith (Empire(s) not species). At some point along the line they absorb various other sects like Acht-To.
Or, as the case may be, various other sects split off and are then absorbed back in.
.....I may or may not have experience welding the Disney and Legends canons together >.>
That said, the most likely situation is something like:
Jedha is the origin of a lot of Force stuff, before the Je'daii Order is established on Tython. This fractures and splits apart as the first Light and Dark Siders of note. Eventually the nascent Jedi Order wins and is the dominate Force order in the galaxy until they have another schism and those Dark Jedi are the forefathers of the Sith (Empire(s) not species). At some point along the line they absorb various other sects like Acht-To.
Or, as the case may be, various other sects split off and are then absorbed back in.
.....I may or may not have experience welding the Disney and Legends canons together >.>
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Yeah, he exiled himself there after his nephew Ben destroyed the new Jedi Order he'd been creating. It is also the place where Luke eventually dies, becoming one with the Force like Obi-Wan did.
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Or, as I said earlier, it's a big galaxy. No one place, or handful of places, can be said to be the origin of Force stuff, just as no single culture can be called the inventors of writing. But insofar as the Jedi Order as an organization has an origin, that'd be Tython.
My major gripe with the Last Jedi is all the SJW tripe they try to feed the audience. Plus, what they did to Luke is utter filth.
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...I don't know how to feel about this. I hated The Last Jedi (the space battles really stand out as something I hated) but this scene was well done and I didn't really have problems with it in the movie.
I think I'm gonna pretend that this wasn't something lifted from The Last Jedi and maintain my enjoyment that way.
I think I'm gonna pretend that this wasn't something lifted from The Last Jedi and maintain my enjoyment that way.
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@Dr. Snark, I've been quiet around here for a while, but for what it's worth, I love the update and think it was spectacularly written. Any baggage I may or may not have about TLJ makes precisely zero difference to my ability to enjoy a great piece of writing. 
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There isn't. I've looked.
I've never liked The Planet of Force ex Machina, and I never liked the history associated with it. Is it too much to ask that the mysterious Warrior-Monks stay mysterious in power and history? Plus it's too heavily connected to the power creep of the EU for my taste. I'm really ok of it's flat retconned, but Tython and Ach'too are not mutually exclusive. Tython was where a bunch of force sects were brought together by Deus Ex Machina, mixing together into the Jedi. Ach'too was where what would become the core tenants and philosophies of the Jedi order were first codified, and is the force nexus to end all force nexuses. Fuse the two by saying Ach'too and Jedha were the origin point of the most relevant force sects that went to Tython.
Ah yes, the battle between the ascended fanworks vaguely oked by the series' creator, and the ascended fanworks purposefully made by the series' owner. I wonder which is the real Star Wars. Imho, it's either both, or neither. You don't pick and choose which of the licensed works are Star Wars, either they all have the same right to the name, or there are only six Star Wars and everything else is glorified fanfiction.
EU and Disney's continuity both have good stuff to offer, the EU has such a wide breadth of content you're guaranteed to find stuff you like, Disney's continuity maintains the mystery and mysticism that made the OT so fascinating. I really think more fanfiction writers should draw from both.
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I'm pleased to see that my prediction was 100% accurate. My other comments on the matter (read: #DealWithIt) still stand. But more importantly I do want to make something clear here, namely clarifying on this:
This. This right here is what I've been doing since I started my run on this quest. I've said it before and I'll say it again: if I only pulled from the new canon I'd have nothing to go on. But at the same time though newer stuff like the Clone Wars series gives me a better grasp of a timeline for the war that I can work with and interesting things that can happen during it. And Mortis. That was a thing...
Say what you will about the movie I drew it from; look me in the eye and tell me with a straight face that an infinitely-reflecting vision-granting crystal mirror possibly infused with the Dark Side of the Force is too out of line for the verse
I did have one other reason for using it that has nothing to do with anything movie or Force-related, but I feel like it'd sound much stupider if I said it out loud.
Anyway, now that that's over with, omakes.
...Sure, why not. Canon, +10.
I do love the writing in this, though I worry that Cheriss has been introducing Priam to existentialism and given him the capacity to potentially go insane.
Eh, I'm sure it'll be fine. What. Could. Possibly. Go. Wrong.
Canon, +10.
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Say what you will about the movie I drew it from; look me in the eye and tell me with a straight face that an infinitely-reflecting vision-granting crystal mirror possibly infused with the Dark Side of the Force is too out of line for the verse
The new trilogy has tons of cool doodads and shiny new concepts.
It also has no regards for things like plot consistency or competent characters.
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Look, all I'm gonna say is that if you want to complain about the new trilogy there's plenty of other places to do it and other people to argue with, but quite frankly I want it kept to a minimum here. And if you're going to try to argue about this stuff with me, I'm just going to keep responding "Well that's just your opinion, man."
If it makes people feel better aside from Ahch-To existing I can't pull anything else interesting from the sequel trilogy and it can't happen in this continuity. So chill. Relax and all that good stuff. If you're going to complain about anything, complain about my frequency of updates instead
If it makes people feel better aside from Ahch-To existing I can't pull anything else interesting from the sequel trilogy and it can't happen in this continuity. So chill. Relax and all that good stuff. If you're going to complain about anything, complain about my frequency of updates instead
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My intent was to make a snarky commentLook, all I'm gonna say is that if you want to complain about the new trilogy there's plenty of other places to do it and other people to argue with, but quite frankly I want it kept to a minimum here. And if you're going to try to argue about this stuff with me, I'm just going to keep responding "Well that's just your opinion, man."
If it makes people feel better aside from Ahch-To existing I can't pull anything else interesting from the sequel trilogy and it can't happen in this continuity. So chill. Relax and all that good stuff. If you're going to complain about anything, complain about my frequency of updates instead
Some of the locations and characters from the sequels have tons of potential, like the Monte Carlo expy, or the fortress built into the bloody salt plain.
We could even meet a baby Snoke
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Well shit, now that I think about it the man is right...
But mirror weird kaleidoscopic things are all the rage right now. Or didn't you see Ant-Man and the Wasp? And Doctor Strange and the first Ant-Man before that.
And you know whats sad? This, this is so sad.
How come TWO MOVIES haven't had anything interesting or memorable in them? Just tons of...
that was used to make a planet, did they now what were they unleashing?
Hell even the PREQUELS left something, a shitload of worldbuilding and memes, the prequels left us all those amazing memes that are never going to be forgotten, the only one I remember from the sequel is that part where the Resistance soldier says "It's salt", because it's basically the reaction of almost everybody...
But enough of being salty, let's focus on this... So another thing I noticed is that Anakin visited a LOT of relevant planets to Luke's adventure, does he knows everything that would have happened to Luke? Because that's holy shit... A complete different level of meta knowledge.
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My intent was to make a snarky comment
Some of the locations and characters from the sequels have tons of potential, like the Monte Carlo expy, or the fortress built into the bloody salt plain.
We could even meet a baby Snoke
Honestly there's literally nothing I could do with Canto Bight. No, seriously, think about it - opinions on quality of writing aside the planet wears three major hats:
-War profiteering
-Being home to a bunch of rich assholes
-Lots and lots of gambling
Ciaran does the first practically every day (those salvage rolls in space are basically from looting battlefields even), the second is pretty much how the Coruscant Upper City has been portrayed in the quest so far, and Tibannopolis/the Orb of Phantasticoria have the third down pat (the former has the added appeal of having floating sky casinos, the latter is a fun Darths & Droids reference). Forget writing quality, the planet's just dull as hell narratively. Ciaran has better and more exciting places to go to for business ventures
Granted, exploiting Crait might be necessary at some point, if only to keep the amount of salt that will inevitably be generated by anyone who's had a positive opinion about Palpatine ever from being the sole source on the market
Edit: I just realized the one thing that could make Canto Bight interesting: Hutts in tuxedos, sipping martinis and everything. YOU CAN'T UNSEE IT NOW CAN YOU
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Also, racing with weird horse things and slavery (though maybe the slavery started after the Republic fell)
You are right though... a lot of the new shinies are either droids, ships, and force powers. The settings are visually beautiful, but rather short on character.
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