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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
- Thread starter Dr. Snark
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- star wars canon what canon tsundere dice ck2 quest actions have consequences all the credits all work and no play makes ciaran a dull girl best sister capitalism ho! despairing qm teetotaller society member gotta catch 'em all insanity looting off the rails sage dice approaching spicy sheev tsundere asajj
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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Gee guys thanks for letting me know that my auto-complete fucked my words again
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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- within 2 hours of the White House
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Anakin never went to dagobah, though- all the stops have been famous Vader Places
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Well, that is one way for a vision quest to go. And nice touch with the mirror scene from Last Jedi. Just a sign of how much things have changed
Valarauko
Demon of Power
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Sure, but Luke's experience in the Dark Side Cave is sufficiently applicable that Vader never having been there is irrelevant.
He also never went to whereeverthefuck this place is.
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Varder
Tired Cultist
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If we ever reach a point when we have 100% PAA success rate (Palpative Assasination Action) can it turn out that he sliped on his own robes walking out of a Senate meeting and broke his neck?
Edit. Was Dooku holding back or did Ciaran just become that good? I'd rather it was the former, tbh.
Edit. Was Dooku holding back or did Ciaran just become that good? I'd rather it was the former, tbh.
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Ardion Prosili
An (im)Perfect Cell
Honestly the thing that really interests me about this interlude beyond the whole mirror thing is that Anakin is in the first temple, the first place that usage of the Force was codified. I honestly am curious what he could glean after his encounter with Mirror Vader...
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... It's on Netflix and is pretty cheap to buy from other streaming services, and is more good than it is bad. Unless you're one of those people that think one movie can retroactively "ruin their childhood" there's no reason not to watch it.
Whereeverthefuck this place is the origin of the Jedi order, and is the implied "Heart of The Force". Where else should the Chosen One end his vision journey.
The past has to die and it's time to put younglings to the sword.
Palpatine was right all along and for the good of the galaxy he must oppose Ciaran.
fasquardon
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It depends on your perspective, there are some areas it stumbles (ww2 style bombers are just a what were you thinking) but for me the major problems I have with the new movies is an issue with the expanded universe and how disney setup the universe after doing a reset on the books that came out in the 80's and 90's. But as movies they do have that Star Wars feel to me and are good with the problems coming from disney on how they decided to put them back into rebellion mode and undo what was accomplished in 4, 5 and 6.
Plus there are some really great scenes (Luke has a very nice one that really deserves to be watched without spoilers).
Personalty I just thought it was boring with a heaping of heavy handed preaching, not even bad enough to get angry with just... disappointing. Would not watch again.
Small Nerd
Meganekko
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Can we maybe avoid relitigating The Last Jedi in this thread? I'm pretty sure there's a thread for that over in Fiction Discussion.
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Watch it, it's not perfect but no Star Wars movie has ever been and I personally found its new themes very refreshing and apt.
Imagine being me, who actually liked it a lot!
I actually interpreted the scene less as a malfunctioning artifact and more of a lesson about the Force from the Force itself: Rey literally falls down in the Dark Side because it called her and promised answers, finds a mysterious artifact that clearly must have what she wants, experiences a weird vision in which no matter what she does she's the only one there and in the end... she gets nothing. Because all the Dark Side promises and demostration of power and knowledge are empty and falling to it is literally getting so lost in yourself you lose sight of everything else and are damned to stay that way. It was a warning, I think.
I have mixed feelings about The Last Jedi. On the one hand, I really enjoyed it the first time I saw it, and I still think it has some of the most beautifully-shot scenes of the saga. However, when I got it on DVD... honestly, it was borderline unwatchable the second time.
The biggest problem is that everyone in the story is juggling multiple Idiot Balls. The First Order is comprehensively incompetent, and the Resistance (they actually start calling them 'Rebels' halfway through the film, as though the screenwriter forgot this isn't the OT) is just as bad. Yes, I know Rian Johnson was making a film about 'failure' as a theme, but that theme doesn't work when everyone fails because they consistently make dumb out-of-character decisions.
The second biggest problem with The Last Jedi, is that it's small. The film starts seemingly within a few hours of the end of The Force Awakens, and finishes within a day or two. The Resistance fleet makes a single hyperspace jump, then spends the rest of the film on sublight engines trying to escape the First Order in 'hot' pursuit (really really slow pursuit, but never mind). Even so, near the end of the film, both sides are surprised to discover... that there's a planet nearby (!) and Admiral Holdo's plan was to 'sneak' everyone in the Resistance onto that planet to let them escape.
Ultimately, The Last Jedi feels like a movie that's set inside a single solar system, not a galaxy. (To be fair, this happens a few times with The Force Awakens as well). It just doesn't feel like Star Wars.
That said... in this quest, we've made use of hive-mind teddy bears, biscuits that turn into slavering monsters (and can be defeated with condiments), and all manner of laughable EU content. Just because a source is bad or incoherent, doesn't mean it can't be used for a good story. I have no problem with Dr. Snark introducing Ahch-To and the Mirror Cave, because I trust him as a writer.
Valarauko
Demon of Power
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- Angband
Tython, the original home of both Jedi and Sith.
And yes, I am Zahnite Irredentist.
Frozen Flame
Fragment of the Devourer
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- The Darkness Beyond Time
Actually, this raises an interesting point. Legends has been the dominant canon thus far, but exactly how much influence are TFW and TLJ getting? It's pretty easy to just make the island a force nexus of immense power and avoid conflict that way, but should we expect Snoke to have been retroactively involved with legends canon or other such instances of canon-welding?
Valarauko
Demon of Power
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I mean, there are any number of Random Force Whatsits across the breadth of the GFFA. And there are any number of Random Darksider Wannabes and Would-Be Imperial Successor States. Sounds like a typical Tuesday for the New Republic.
It's fine for them to be there. Just not at the expense of their betters.
Hence my frustration when some random-ass planet with no pedigree seeks to usurp the position of a long-established veteran.
Also, y'know, the issue of something claiming to be Star Wars while unceremoniously and ruthlessly murdering the bulk of Star Wars.
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Frozen Flame
Fragment of the Devourer
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I'm not arguing their right to be included, I'm wondering the extent of new canon's influence on this quest. I agree that legends is significantly more established and that the new lore can be slotted in pretty easily, I'm mainly wondering how far the inclusion goes. Locations are simple and easy, characters can throw us a curveball.
Max Uristwell
Custodian of the Toobs
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- United Kingdom
Because Obi-wan is so inured to Ciaran's antics that even her outing herself as Darth Traya would probably just get a "not the explanation I expected, but it fits".
Falzyker
2020! What will you try now?
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You know even if it was something from the Last Jedi (which left me really really disappointed but what the hell they can't do worse than this I think) it was really well executed and Vader at the end hints that Anakin is going to come being somewhat different but at the core still the same Anakin, this is going to be his Trial of Spirit I think, and if we get it in an interlude it's going to be awesome.
It's not. Shatterpoint is bullshit. There is a very good reason the first thing Sheev did was block precognition for the lightsiders.
Seriously, shatterpoint is the difference between visions from the force being: "I have a feeling of great danger ahead" vs them being: "There's a guy about to lunge out of a concealed door ahead of you. Sidestep to the left, punch him in the neck, and shit talk his mother so his bitching jams their com lines and slows the reinforcement's response time."
There's a fucking reason a one armed old woman could take on three Jedi Masters without taking a scratch.
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Varder
Tired Cultist
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- Hell
So take things up a notch. That's a diplomacy ship, right? Then make a big party there, and invite everyone!
Wait, that thing can help even against someone so powefull as Dooku in direct combat? I thought the main reason she can't just kill Sidius is because it works really badly on Forse-connected beings.
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Valarauko
Demon of Power
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Oh, no. That wasn't directed at you, specifically, beyond to some extent outlining part of my position.
The first part more directly addresses your point. It's a big galaxy. In terms of characters, unless their very concept is incompatible with others, their existence is unremarkable. Take this Snoke fellow. Some random darksider who coopted some Imperial successor state. Certainly not the largest or most important, but enough to have superweapon or two and be the New Republic's crisis du jour for a book or two. There. Done.
Or consider this planet. A place with a Force Whatsit, with archaeological evidence suggesting an ancient force sect, one of several which would influence the modern Jedi Order in A Specific Important Ideological Way, as the Tython order grew in prominence and accreted, syncretized, and flat-out absorbed numerous other force sects.
Don't mistake me. I think this was well-executed. It's fine. I just think Dagobah would have been more appropriate, having as it does a greater connection to young Skywalkers and confronting their inner darkness, personified in Vader. I started reading this fully expecting Anakin to duel a figment in the shape of Vader so that Anakin would have to confront his own face, as his son will/would twenty-odd years hence, especially given previous interludes where Anakin wresting from the Force mere knowledge of his offspring was a major event, coupled with Luke's role in his ultimate redemption. Dagobah would have been a more personal connection to the future, especially as Anakin pretraces his own future steps and therefore also those of his son. Whereas this place has no real personal importance to either Skywalker.