May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
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- From the moon
That's kind of why I can't stop reading "Shades of grey" even if I don't like it. Everything in it is an obvious power fantasy... but it's canon, every last character and power and idiot ball is canon taken to it's logical conclusion. It's like watching a train wreck in motion but someone replaced all the cargo with rocket fuel and strapped rockets to it.
It's kind of funny how it's made brainwashing your citizens and creating a dictatorship with yourself as the lead with a galaxy spanning harem as the moral choice. Han Solo and his "blow up more planets than the emperor" thing is a prime reason.
It's kind of funny how it's made brainwashing your citizens and creating a dictatorship with yourself as the lead with a galaxy spanning harem as the moral choice. Han Solo and his "blow up more planets than the emperor" thing is a prime reason.
Not quite, since (as far as I'm aware) they don't spend all their free time meditating in the same room as them.
Also, you forgot someone in Ciaran's reaction.
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- Dual citizen of SV&SB
Actually, Jedi have wall of light, which can sterilize planets.
It could be a deeply flawed but noble Order having thier flaws picked out and flanderized by: Canon, Legends, EU, fandumb; to the exclusion of thier virtues in many cases. What I saw this 'From my point of view, the Jedi are evil' shit do to Luke Skywalker in TLJ makes me ashamed I ever was on that side
Alyuna
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- Emerald of the Equator
I know that not all Jedi become knight/enforcer or any fighter role but why they start teaching kids how to 'lightsaber'?
Their future isn't predetermined, right? not all will become a fighter, why teach 5-year-old kids how to deflect blaster? They should be still in daycare!
If I remember right in the prequel trilogy (the children look like 5 yo), I don't know much about legends
talk about daycare, I wonder what Jedi daycare looks like? I imagine running a multi-species Jedi daycare center is a tough and hard job.
Their future isn't predetermined, right? not all will become a fighter, why teach 5-year-old kids how to deflect blaster? They should be still in daycare!
If I remember right in the prequel trilogy (the children look like 5 yo), I don't know much about legends
talk about daycare, I wonder what Jedi daycare looks like? I imagine running a multi-species Jedi daycare center is a tough and hard job.
So is this the Jedi complaint thread now?
Alyuna
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- Emerald of the Equator
Nah don't blame the thread. sorry for derailing, the 2 lines are my complaints, same thing different words
but still, I'm curious about the reason. Any fictional holy order or cult or religion are interesting to me because they have many interesting points of view and reasons to justify their teaching/action, I'm curious why would they do that?
the last lines are my random musing... imagine multi-species Jedi daycare!
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prince84
In central Dogma flirting with Lilith.
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- The Madness Place
In several cases it was because they could not destroy them no matter what they did. When a black hole spits something out you know it is bad Juju. Of course then they had to mess it up and just shove the artifacts into a regular room and just lock the door. If I remember the book right several younglings entered the room during air duct cleaning duty.
Edit: I forgot an important point. The council knew about the rooms and could/would authorize "trusted" knights and above to research selected items as need be. That said the authorization basically boiled down to "The council trusts you to take care of this problem so take this twisted ans winding path to this unmarked door and use this onetime key-code to enter and check the forth item on the third shelf to your left. Touch nothing else and don't take it out of the room."
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@Pinniped, you make a lot of good points.
Two towering pillars of water and fire would demolish a building then scour its interior in seconds, and if the pillars were following Vookto's path as he traveled across the planet on a starfighter... well, he could pretty easily cover a lot of ground in very short order. Considering that the funeral pyre honored Vookto because 'he gave his life to win the battle'... that sounds like there was nothing left to fight once he was done.
Here's a larger map of Lianna -- for whatever reason, the 'full size' is tiny so this should be easier to read. But you are absolutely right; the bulk of the planet is not city, but ocean. Given that map, I'm not even sure it can be called a city-planet, since there are two disconnected continents (which means there's two cities) and there's a patch on the second smaller continent that isn't urbanized. On the other hand, this map post-dates the Battle of Lianna, so there might have been infrastructure that filled in the second continent and/or connected the two continents across water -- the idea of 'sea cities' is not exactly new to sci-fi, and in real life the Chinese have been building artificial islands throughout the South China Sea.
However, you're right that this does lower the total population figures. Would you agree that the initial population would have been over 50 billion at least?
Given that the quote was "Master Vookto used his powers of elemental summoning to cleanse the planet with twin pillars of water and fire", I assumed he was responsible for a considerable amount of damage. An orbital strike might destroy a building or city block -- and lot of orbital strikes might destroy a lot of blocks -- but in a city-planet, that would take a long time to reach 100% coverage.
Two towering pillars of water and fire would demolish a building then scour its interior in seconds, and if the pillars were following Vookto's path as he traveled across the planet on a starfighter... well, he could pretty easily cover a lot of ground in very short order. Considering that the funeral pyre honored Vookto because 'he gave his life to win the battle'... that sounds like there was nothing left to fight once he was done.
Yup. 100 billion seems reasonable.
- Gerrenthum's population is listed as 5 billion... but it only recently (in the last 400 years) grew "from a sleepy Outer Rim planet into a modern megaworld", and there is no indication on its page that Gerrenthum is a city-planet at all, rather than just a heavily populated Rim world
- Humbarine's population is listed as 10-100 billion... but that's in 25 ABY. Look at the text: "In 20 BBY, Grievous's attack on Humbarine culminated in an hour-long orbital bombardment that reduced the city-planet to slag and left the world uninhabitable". 10-100 billion is the population after nearly a half-century to rebuild and recover.
- Vorzyd V's population is listed as 2 billion... but it is such an outlier to every other ecumenopolis, and there is (like Gerrenthum) no indication that it is a city-planet on the page itself. This is the only map of the surface, and it looks like a fairly standard city. More importantly, I'm not sure it's possible to be a city-planet with only 2 billion inhabitants. Unless the total surface of the planet is significantly small than IRL Earth's, or a lot more of the planet is covered in water or mountain or something else uninhabitable, it's nonsensical to imagine a city-planet with barely a quarter the population of Earth. I'm inclined to discount this as an outlier.
Huh.
Here's a larger map of Lianna -- for whatever reason, the 'full size' is tiny so this should be easier to read. But you are absolutely right; the bulk of the planet is not city, but ocean. Given that map, I'm not even sure it can be called a city-planet, since there are two disconnected continents (which means there's two cities) and there's a patch on the second smaller continent that isn't urbanized. On the other hand, this map post-dates the Battle of Lianna, so there might have been infrastructure that filled in the second continent and/or connected the two continents across water -- the idea of 'sea cities' is not exactly new to sci-fi, and in real life the Chinese have been building artificial islands throughout the South China Sea.
However, you're right that this does lower the total population figures. Would you agree that the initial population would have been over 50 billion at least?
Yup, I actually went searching for it. The comic (the 'Mace Windu' one) shows the devastation of Lianna and depicts the funeral of Vookto. Later, that battle was fleshed out in The New Essential Chronology, which is where the 'twin pillars of water and fire cleansing the planet' comes from. However, even though I found a scanned version of The New Essential Chronology, it somehow skipped the single page that actually covers the Battle of Lianna, so I don't know the exact description used.
Also true, and also a good point. OTOH, per the comic, the 'hero's funeral' was only attended by a few Jedi and Vookto's clone trooper squadron (who had apparently been pinned down, and were saved by Vookto's sacrifice), and there's no indication that Vookto's role in scouring the planet's surface was more widely known (since everyone was either dead or evacuated...).
I know, right? I mean, the story's been pretty objectively terrible for a while, but there's so much stuff the story covers. At this point I'm basically using it for research for this and my Gray Paladin quest, for cool things that might make an appearance. Fate Denied is another good resource for that, albeit with much better writing.
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- Middle of Nowhere
I dropped Fate Denied after the SI announced she was going to train Brukh(sp?). Wondering if the writing is still good and my fears were unjustified.
It is really good and I do recommend you keep reading.
Dr. Snark
Exactly As Planned...Probably
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- Right where I want to be
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- He/His/Him
Sidious: You merely see one facet of the full extent of my plans. Even if one pawn fails, another can succeed in their place. As for my apprentice, so long as they are willing to serve their species is irrelevant.
...Though why a Gungan specifically?
C-3P0: I would not be against the idea but quite frankly I am nervous about being placed in Miss Sair's care after what I've heard about her. Who knows what she would do to me!?
Obi-Wan: ...Er...no? I don't believe we've met.
Anakin: The red 3P0 droid? I think I saw him once in my life.
Galvin: I really don't know, but honestly I hope not. I'm not ready for that kind of commitment and honestly I don't think he'd be very happy about that.
Jar Jar: Shesa a very nice lady. Shesa helping people all across the galaxy!
Jar Jar: *cannot answer due to being triggered by memories of Grievous' hunting trips*
Jar Jar: Mesa thought he was pretty great, but Padme says that hesa a bad bad man that pretends to be nice.
Grievous: General Binks is quite possibly the greatest hunting partner I could ask for. No matter what we end up facing the deadliest of creatures when I am traveling with him! It is wonderful!
Anakin: ...Did Obi-Wan get you to ask that question? Or was it Ahsoka?
C-3P0: I don't think it would be polite for me to translate that.
Jar Jar: ...Why? Mesa think that sounds muy bad...
Grievous: ...Then my mask. Or the headdress I wear with it.
Priam: I dunno, I've never had to care about that before. Uh...maybe...no, I've got nothing. Sorry...
Silencer: *slowly raises a blaster pistol*
HK-47: *raising a blaster pistol alongside the Silencer*
Galen: If I have to answer I supposed it'd be something simple.
Palpatine: Ah, a most interesting question! I would be of the mind that it would be far more important to ensure that the fish are caught to begin with rather than ensuring that every fish is caught. If you catch enough large fish it is guaranteed you can feed yourself, whereas if all of the fish swam away you would be left with nothing to eat. While it would be preferable to catch every fish one must acknowledge their limits in that regard.
Cheriss: That sounds like fun! Hey Galvin-
Galvin: No, I don't know what you're planning, but no.
Cheriss: Awwww...
Galvin: It's for your own good, babe. You don't wanna know what they do to pirates.
*answer unavailable due to Sidious' incoherent laughter*
Master Basher
hYPER Demon
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- UK
Dear Sidious?
I'm only sending this out of a pure April Fools joke.
If by chance, you where to choose one lady, for a wive, if evil overlords even have wives. Who would it be, if you can pick one who would not be able to object to your reign if you pick them?
If by chance, you where to choose one lady, for a wive, if evil overlords even have wives. Who would it be, if you can pick one who would not be able to object to your reign if you pick them?
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- U.S.
Dear Palpatine,
If I offered you instant control of the Republic with full dictator level control with no obstructionist, but at the cost of your looks, as in you will look like you are a human vagina for your face left to wrinkle and prune in the sun for a few days for the rest of your life, would you accept?
Signed
Your Friendly Neighboring Hungry Overlord
If I offered you instant control of the Republic with full dictator level control with no obstructionist, but at the cost of your looks, as in you will look like you are a human vagina for your face left to wrinkle and prune in the sun for a few days for the rest of your life, would you accept?
Signed
Your Friendly Neighboring Hungry Overlord
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Dear Mr Fett have you given any thought to how the Mando (and indeed the galaxy) will fare if a large influx of...well highly skilled for lack of more accurate terminology yous are suddenly given massive life extensions due to figuring out how to stop their accelerated ageing?
Dear Mr Silencer what is
A. The most high paying job you have ever taken?
B. The job that caused the most collatoral damage (sans Mettalorn if its already number 1)
In addition Mr Silencer have you ever been paid to
A. Take off your mask.
B. Serenade an audience with sweet sweet Jazz music. Or indeed any kind of music/dance.
Finally Mr Silencer...what is the money for? Presumably you need some to replace your damaged equipment after jobs, get from place to place, but beyond that?
Lady Ciaran/Darth Vevectivus
A potentially odd question, but over history and having access to large amounts of medical records as you do...does the number of Force Users in the galaxy seem to be increasing over time? Has it remained relatively static, or does it go up or down for no visible reason?
Dear Mr Silencer what is
A. The most high paying job you have ever taken?
B. The job that caused the most collatoral damage (sans Mettalorn if its already number 1)
In addition Mr Silencer have you ever been paid to
A. Take off your mask.
B. Serenade an audience with sweet sweet Jazz music. Or indeed any kind of music/dance.
Finally Mr Silencer...what is the money for? Presumably you need some to replace your damaged equipment after jobs, get from place to place, but beyond that?
Lady Ciaran/Darth Vevectivus
A potentially odd question, but over history and having access to large amounts of medical records as you do...does the number of Force Users in the galaxy seem to be increasing over time? Has it remained relatively static, or does it go up or down for no visible reason?
Neither. Although the second part was inspired by something I remember Ahsoka saying. Now answer the question.
@Galvin, how many times has it turned out that the "woman" you're flirting with is actually a dude?
@Obi-Wan, what was that business on Cato Nemoidia (don't think I'm spelling that right) that supposedly "doesn't count"?
@Ahsoka and Rex, any embarrassing (for Anakin) stories you'd care to share?
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- U.S.
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- Home
Dear Darth Sidious, No one would ever expect a Gungan Sith, and they look too silly to ever be suspected of criminal activity. Take your last apprentice as an example, he looks evil, acts evil and probably smells evil. I've never heard of a Gungan criminal mastermind, have you?
Garm352
Bearer of the Stars of Creation
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- The Void Between Stars
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- He/Him
Yes? What, is the Q&A over?