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Yeah, the ideal would probably be a mix of the two, where Dooku doesn't offer her a seat on the Council and Grievous can still steal a dragon.
May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
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I've come to the realisation that the only reason Sidious hasn't brutally murdered Ciaran by now is her trolliness. I'm being dead serious. Take this snippet of conversation between the PC of KoTOR 2 and HK-47 when asking him for the best ways to kill Jedi:
And what have we been doing when it comes to Mr. "I have foreseen it"? Making plans upon plans upon plans to deal with every aspect of his death, from actually killing him to managing the fallout. Ciaran doesn't have the lore required to intentionally disrupt precognition and divination like Sidious does, so you'd think she'd have been found out by now, but she hasn't. Key word there is "intentionally". I will direct you now to a quote from a currently non-canon omake:
Add on to that the heap of confusion we've been piling on old Shifty Sheev through our actions and the disruptions to his plans and I think that's why he hasn't been able to sense us or how threatening we are to him using the Force.
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I think a point has been made that Ciaran is exceptionally good at concealing herself and her actions in the Force.
If I recall correctly Buried Presence was developed by the Abyss Watchers.
She's doing the same thing Palpatine is, he just has no reason to suspect Ciaran is any more threatening in the Force than whom Dooku usually considers as a dark acolyte.
Ciaran is very sneaky.
If I recall correctly Buried Presence was developed by the Abyss Watchers.
She's doing the same thing Palpatine is, he just has no reason to suspect Ciaran is any more threatening in the Force than whom Dooku usually considers as a dark acolyte.
Ciaran is very sneaky.
That and she is just that good/lucky that outside of a couple of instances when she used Shatterpoints on events in order to change them, she hasn't gone around throwing the Force at her problems.
Well, except Wesker, of course, but that problem has been eliminated.....along with the planet.
Well, except Wesker, of course, but that problem has been eliminated.....along with the planet.
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Buried Presence is actually a pretty common skill, Palpatine mastered it long ago and Jedi sentinels have it as an obligatory technique for their apprentices along with Force immunity. Obi-wan and Yoda can use it too and probably other Jedi considering that there are examples of padawans using it.
Also Asajj and Dooku know a inferior version of it that only works in long range if you are nearby a force sensitive they can easily view trough it.
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If it happens under the republic (which it does) there's no reason that it wouldn't happen in the CIS. Democracy doesn't preclude the dissolution of slavery as an institution and the CIS is a loosely aligned system formed in reaction to increased centralisation and corruption in the republic. See the whole "states rights" argument but this time actually being about states rights. My argument isn't as succinct as it could be as I'm between games on overwatch. My general gist is look at the arguments during the formation of the American Republic where there was a whole range of ideas about how it should be organised and look at the ones which promote a decentralised form of govt with more power to states and that's what I believe the CIS has leaned towards.
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Even if you wanna strike the comic version from canon, the show still has Dooku handing the Zygerrians a colony's worth of Togruta. Yes, there are legitimate and honorable reasons for systems to want to break away from the Republic. Yes, Dooku still dealt with slavers. Zygerria is Separatist Aligned.
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Even if a slave-based institution could be legal within the CIS, that doesn't mean they would exist. The Separatists are allowed to choose for themselves which planets are part of the CIS and which are not. In other words, you can't just say "I'm part of your club now" and they'll be forced to accept you. Even if Dooku had the right to induct planets into the CIS without the Senate's permission, that doesn't mean the other planets would be at all ok with it and they may even have the right to veto it.
Dooku and the Separatists' military do a lot of evil crap without the Separatist Senate knowing about it. There's no reason to think this isn't just another example of that. As stated before, "secretly affiliated with" is not the same as "allied with".
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Are you accounting for how powerless the Separatist Senate is? Because there is a very clear hierarchy of Dooku -> Separatist Council -> Senate. Dooku is frankly the Emperor of the CIS. If he aligns Zygerria with him (and he can put them on the Council regardless of the voices of the other Senate), then that is that.
And just because the Separatist Senate has some good people in it, it doesn't mean they'll suddenly abandon the Confederacy because Dooku added another system that wants to break off from the Republic. They joined the Separatists to get better governance for the Rim. They won't abandon that so they can die on the cross of slavery just because of one alliance of convenience. They're fighting a war. The entire galaxy abides the Hutts and even show deference when directly dealing with them. It's entirely conceivable that the more morally inclined Separatists will hold their nose over Zygerria, because Dooku will make them.
Zygerria is part of the Confederacy. We can rally anti-slavery sentiments for the sake of COMPOR and Vandron attacks, but that's a major obstacle as far as actually invading them goes.
And just because the Separatist Senate has some good people in it, it doesn't mean they'll suddenly abandon the Confederacy because Dooku added another system that wants to break off from the Republic. They joined the Separatists to get better governance for the Rim. They won't abandon that so they can die on the cross of slavery just because of one alliance of convenience. They're fighting a war. The entire galaxy abides the Hutts and even show deference when directly dealing with them. It's entirely conceivable that the more morally inclined Separatists will hold their nose over Zygerria, because Dooku will make them.
Zygerria is part of the Confederacy. We can rally anti-slavery sentiments for the sake of COMPOR and Vandron attacks, but that's a major obstacle as far as actually invading them goes.
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Without the Battle of Geonosis, the Separatists have for the most part been winning the war. It's possible that they may have decided to go against letting the Zygerrians join on the basis that there's no pressing need to. The Caamas Ceasefire may have even further reduced the necessity or appeal of allowing the Zygerrians to join. There's also the fact that the CNS is a lot stronger in this game than it is in canon, meaning there's a viable option for planets that are desparate to get away from the Republic but don't particularly like the CIS's policies. If the Confederacy wants to continue to recruit planets to its side, it'll need to work harder to present a good image, whereas in canon they had to focus more on presenting strength.
Considering Briefing the Boss Pt. 4 is a currently non-canon omake and it has multiple instances of planning war on the Zygerrians, I'd say that that's a hint that a war against them is indeed politically/diplomatically viable in this game, at least for now.
Considering Briefing the Boss Pt. 4 is a currently non-canon omake and it has multiple instances of planning war on the Zygerrians, I'd say that that's a hint that a war against them is indeed politically/diplomatically viable in this game, at least for now.
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...To be honest, I included it because it was something that Ciaran and the Abyss Council would consider. Even if it isn't 'diplomatically viable' as a CNS action, it might still be something we could do through the Abyss Watchers (which means it could be canon even if we never take the action).
Ultimately it boils down to @Dr. Snark's call about whether the Zygerrians are officially or unofficially affiliated with the CIS. Either way, I've been persuaded that their 'Empire' is pretty small potatoes at this point, and our efforts would be better served elsewhere -- even if 'elsewhere' just means a more generalized campaign against slavery in Republic space, especially against some of Palpatine's slave-trading allies in the Senex region (though some of those slaving pirate fleets -- Thassian, Merson, etc. -- might be targeted as well).
Unrelated question for @Dr. Snark: do you plan to introduce Honoghr (the Noghri homeworld with the bioweapon spill) next turn? I'm pulling together another 'Briefing' on Hutt Space, so if Honoghr becomes a thing next turn, I can tie it in.
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A thought popped into my mind: does Ciaran have any formal education when it comes to any of her skills? She was taught by Silas and then raised herself in the Coruscant Underworld - a place which I don't think has schools. If all her current skill is a combination of natural talent and experience, perhaps she might reach even greater heights with a proper education at a university?
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Ciaran is a fully rounded near-human being with a degree from the university of life, a diploma from the school of hard knocks, and three gold stars from the kindergarten of getting the shit kicked out of her.
Very little chance. Just because you learned something in a practical lesson rather than in a classroom doesn't make it any less learned.
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The Omake Dragon
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Basing your plan off of a non-canon omake is a stupid idea. It's non-canon, meaning that references made in it have as much weight as Ciaran getting a Stand or Tyro moving Death Star lasers. I'm still tentatively on board with going anti-slavery, but there are plenty of far better reasons for it.
One of the biggest is Anakin. He was raised a slave, and utterly despises slavers, especially the Zygerrians. If we want to score some serious brownie points with Anakin, going on an anti-slavery kick is the way to do it. Even better if we invite him along for the ride.
CNS neutrality isn't even threatened by any military action we take in the course of this endeavor. The Silver Cross would be against slavery on the political front, and for all the work they put in for the CNS, the Abyss Watchers are a mercenary group at the end of the day, unaffiliated with the CNS. Politically, we can rake Palpatine's slaver buddies over the coals, and militarily we can woo Anakin just that little bit more, score a boatload of cash from the failing slave trade, and earn the undying loyalty of a lot of freed slaves.
EDIT: @Publicola In regards to targeting slavery in general instead of just the Zygerrians, I feel like we could easily make the people who had once built an empire on the slave trade and never stopped practicing it into a sort of poster boy for the slave trade at large. Even if the empire itself is no more, the legacy is still there. Breaking that like we did the Black Sun would be an effective way to send a message without trying to stomp out every individual slaver.
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To my understanding, currently non-canon omakes are omakes with content which fits in with the world and can be expected to be made canon at some point in time, as opposed to plain non-canon omakes which you shouldn't expect to happen. Cata Family Roadtrip, for instance, may be considered to be what would happen if we got to that point in the Silas hero mission chain. The information present in Briefing the Boss Pt. 3 can also be considered canon even though the omake itself is non-canon due to taking place after - and making reference to - the Talesan Fry stuff, which hasn't happened yet.
But if there is truly no difference between currently non-canon omakes and non-canon omakes, then fine.
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Jesus. Let me guess, it's abandoned right outside our front door waiting for someone to claim it. Seriously, has anyone who's made one of these automated ships actually managed to keep hold of it?
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it's worth pointing out that the idea of a heavily automated super capital as a mobile base sounds amazing, but no one does it in modern times. presumably beaus it turns out having that little organic crew on a ship of that size actually makes you really vulnerable to crew losses. I mean there is a reason most of them seem to be mostly intact but have a dead crew.
Why it's almost as if staffing a ship with only a skeleton crew and automating everything means that if something goes wrong there's not enough trained people on board to fix it.
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once we get one we should probably make sure it has a either a support fleet, or a lot of redundant crew. or just a shit ton of repair droids, ideally ones that are fully sapient and drawing pay checks to sidestep the droid rebellion issue.
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So... spoilers and all, but you remember Chu'unthor? And remember Arkanian Legacy?
Yeah. I just found a third one.
Goddammit EU
Could be worse. There could be a whole fleet of warships that are stranded in a certain part of the galaxy that we could just grab for ourselves.
But that is just silly. What are the odds of finding a completely abandoned and automatic fleet of ships that everyone conveniently seems to have forgotten existed in modern times?
But that is just silly. What are the odds of finding a completely abandoned and automatic fleet of ships that everyone conveniently seems to have forgotten existed in modern times?
