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That….huh.
Yeah, we can have Reo produce substrate for us. We have a very large supply and can have him make tons more. If we absolutely need to make more ourselves later we know the ninjutsu and can just level it.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Yeah, we can have Reo produce substrate for us. We have a very large supply and can have him make tons more. If we absolutely need to make more ourselves later we know the ninjutsu and can just level it.
I was thinking Kagome because he would need it to learn Primordial Sealing since its the cheapest valid prerequisite (Earthshaping 50 is far costlier). But yup, Reo would work and we could stash as much substrate as we needed on the Seventh Path.
... Are there any good reasons you can see to not get Kagome to start levelling BoC 30 right about now, to be able to teach him PS immediately once we bail? And for that matter, what about the Chuunin Sealmaster in our Clan? Did he have Earth Element? Perhaps we could take him along.
If the entire Team Uplift goes missing, the Gouketsu will not survive as a Clan. It might make sense to take our ninja with us, at least those that would be willing to go, since if we are taking Yuno and Mari we can't all hide on the Seventh Path anyway.
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Because he does not have Earth Element. He's probably already learning it, but it will be a while before he can do that.
+63 days for the PS stunt.
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Nope.
Pedantry: 500 points, not pounds. "Points" are an abstract measure of how much substrate is needed for a rune because we don't want to be bothered define and tracking exact weights, volumes, and form factors. Explosive runes take 1 (puffer), 5 (half-power), 25 (full power) points.
Earthshaping 50 isn't enough to make substrate. You don't know exactly what level is necessary but it's definitely going to be at least level 60.
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Maybe do it as a clan-wide meeting.
"Who here wants Jiraya and Akane and various other dead people back? C'mon. show of hands. Alright, everybody who doesn't have your hand up, you're expelled from Clan Goketsu. Don't worry, I'm not angry, Gaku here has personalized letters of recommendation for whoever you want to join up with next.
Now, as for the rest of you... we're formally withdrawing from Leaf. Paperwork's already filed. Jiraya isn't dead and merged with the Will of Fire the way we thought. I've seen him. He's in trouble, and rescue is possible, but Akatsuki doesn't want to let that happen and Naruto - quite reasonably - doesn't want to provoke them. So I'm gonna go save him regardless, and you're gonna help. However, that also means, before anything else, we need to leave in a hurry."
I meant as a prerequisite for the Primordial Sealing Stunt. Where it seems you either need PS 50 or BoC 30 to get it so the latter is a cheaper option (and one we semi-need) if we want Kagome to learn Primordial Sealing.
He didn't take forever to reach chuunin, he just stagnated there due to staying alone in the woods for years. Plus, if we finally teach him SC..
Also, I thought the second element cost 500 XP? Or would Earth be his third?
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This means the ones loyal to Leaf immediately report us and we get no grace period after leaving but before being labeled missing. If we do this we are labeled as such right away
So, this is treason, and anyone not coming would be obligated to attack us on sight. Just throwing that out there.
The Founding Clans of Leaf reserve the right to leave. Everybody else has to stay.
What Shrooms and Stompy said. I don't think there is a valid way to blatantly take everyone like that.
I don't know... maybe we could spin it as an official Clan-wide mission assigned by Naruto himself (under the pretenses that our relations have soured and he wants us out of his skin), and then once we are out of the village we would tell everyone the real purpose of it.
Seems difficult. Still, after investing so much into the Clan it would really suck if we just lost it all like that.
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Basically, we just do this at the end of a scroll hunt. Strand anyone who decides to stay at whatever random lore spot we have the dramatic conversation at, enjoy the extra few weeks before having to dodge hunter nin
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It's an obscure enough option even for the founding clans, most folks hopefully won't be sure enough to bet their lives on instant recall of the technicalities when inaction would also be a survivable option, and Hazo already spent several years building up an immunity to treason by periodically taking smaller doses.
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You are upending their lives, and you think they won't question it? Treason is still treason, and making a clan leave is something so massive, people will question the legality of it.
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Oh, they'd absolutely question it. Just gotta lay down enough social-spec chaff that they're too busy sifting through the paperwork to get around to the "attack on sight" part before Team Necromancy is packed up and gone.
More realistically, yeah, that'd be a sensible approach.
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Bringing an entire clan on a Scroll hunt seems absurdly impractical to me on top of looking incredibly suspicious
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Who cares about being suspicious they're right
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Would you rule that a rune idea for "Make the air temperature very cold in this Zone replicating the effect of EM at high level" is too metagamy? Or does it seem like something Hazou would think of IC?
Would you rule that a rune idea for "Make the air temperature very cold in this Zone replicating the effect of EM at high level" is too metagamy? Or does it seem like something Hazou would think of IC?
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He's middle-aged, so was likely in his 20s at the youngest when he defected, as he was in the woods for 15 years. And its not like he was even high chuunin when we met him, Hazou became better at Taijutsu than him before the chuunin exams.
It took him about 4 months to complete Summoning as well (though in fairness that's mostly our fault, we were busy and he lost some progress because of it.) 250/2xp = 120 days or 4 months
It will probably take him the better part of a year to even get SC to 30 so his XP can actually benefit from it, so it would take even longer to learn earth
Maybe if a talented Arachnid ninjutsu spec teaches him earth he can learn it faster...
It always costs 1k to learn any element. This has been said several times now. You get 500 back to put into jutsu, so on the sheet the stunts section will say 500 XP spent on the element, as the other 500 is put into skills. But you need 1000 XP every time
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Here is a hypothetical Kagome build I did a while ago. I think it's a decent approximation but it is hard to say for sure
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I don't think Taijutsu skill translates directly since it was long before the current iteration of the system and Taji used to be Hazou's capstone. We could say "its not like Hazou is a Jounin, some Genin have better Athletics than he does". They do. But Hazou is in fact a Jounin. A very Special one.He's middle-aged, so was likely in his 20s at the youngest when he defected, as he was in the woods for 15 years. And its not like he was even high chuunin when we met him, Hazou became better at Taijutsu than him before the chuunin exams.
It took him about 4 months to complete Summoning as well (though in fairness that's mostly our fault, we were busy and he lost some progress because of it.) 250/2xp = 120 days or 4 months
It will probably take him the better part of a year to even get SC to 30 so his XP can actually benefit from it, so it would take even longer to learn earth
Maybe if a talented Arachnid ninjutsu spec teaches him earth he can learn it faster...
It always costs 1k to learn any element. This has been said several times now. You get 500 back to put into jutsu, so on the sheet the stunts section will say 500 XP spent on the element, as the other 500 is put into skills. But you need 1000 XP every time
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Here is a hypothetical Kagome build I did a while ago. I think it's a decent approximation but it is hard to say for sure
kagome
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I don't think I'd automatically assume that Kagome was putting all his XP into Summoning Training. That being said the rest is fair points... it'd probably take a long time. Not convinced it would be 2 XP / Day long, but quite a while. Thing is he does need SC unless he is to remain just a career chuunin forever and I don't think we want to do that to him when we have the means to uplift him.
As for his XP total... I don't think its remotely as low as the 7.6k you gave him. His Sealing ability alone is too high for that to be the case and even if he got 2 XP / day up until the age of ~25, stagnated utterly in the woods getting none whatsoever and then continued getting 2 XP / day for the past three years, then assuming 1k XP graduation at age 12 that would still put him at 12.7k XP minimum. All while stagnation is capped at a 10% multiplier (I think? Or isn't it?) so that doesn't even sound possible unless he did nothing at all and he did seem to set up traps and procure food for himself at the very least, in a chakra beast infested deathworld so he likely had his share of danger and effort. I'd guess 15k XP by now.
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