Just increase the Durability SMH
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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fuck it, durability 10
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Do I hear 20?
Well, Durability 20 is just Strain : 2010, or 402 CP. Totally feasible! Cannai is more expensive than that. And that's TN 200, 20 Stress Boxes (so 260).
We could get that with a jutsu that makes Durability : 6 + Effect x 2 chakra constructs, cast at Effect 7 (Level 60). Once. But once is enough.
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Further buffs are unaffected.
Yes.
Elemental advantage is applied automatically. It doesn't require an FP and doesn't change the value of invokes.
Elemental Advantage is determined when two jutsu clash. For example, Sasuke casts Heckin' Big Fireball at Noburi who blocks with Hozuki's Mantle (water). Water beats fire in the elemental circle (Water > Fire > Wind > Lightning > Earth > Water) so Noburi gets a bonus on his roll.
Yes to both.
Correct.
Elemental circle for reference: Water > Fire > Wind > Lightning > Earth > Water
- Earth beats Water, so Hazō has advantage
- Fire beats wind, advantage Asuma
- Water beats fire, advantage Noburi
- The MW bonus from Hozuki's Mantle is based on tentacles that lash out at nearby enemies. These are water-based so would technically give Noburi advantage. I might be inclined to grant only partial advantage but according to RAW he would gain the full benefit.
- This is a weird one. If the MEW is real stone then no elemental advantage accrues. If it's a chakra construct then Lightning beats earth, advantage Haru.
- No advantage.
- No advantage
- No advantage.
Correct.
Shadow doesn't appear on the elemental circle so it neither gains nor loses advantage.
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I was thinking more of the buffs to secondary Shadow jutsu or buffs to learning a new element if Shadow jutsu counted as one.
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Get a hint man, he's clearly promoting his candidacy for future QM by demonstrating his balancing skills, a key technical skills for a MfD QM positionAre you sure you're a player and not a QM?
Am I understanding this correctly, that if you are using an Elemental jutsu of one element to attack or have one as an active buff, the dominating element gets +AB on their roll?
So if you used Pangolin Earth Armor someone attacking with a Lightning jutsu hits at +AB
Or if you had Pangolin Flash active and someone hit you with a Wind Block, that Block rolls at +AB
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I completely missed this campaign. What was the issue with the previous system that you thought was worth lobbying against?
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I think I'm confused. What skill overlaps between these two?
Let me get back to you on this once the others are awake.
It's specifically for when two elements directly oppose, such as a fireball hitting a water barrier or a wind blade slashing through a fireball. I don't think PF and WB are directly interacting, but that's my off-the-cuff.
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If I have Genin Combat Training and Chunin Combat Training, do I add buffs using the higher of the two (Chunin Combat Training) xor do I add buffs using both of them?
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Reading through this again got me idly wondering what it would look like to have all of these battles happening at once. Or rather, what would have to happen in-story to get a fight scene like this.
Let's see, we have Hazou fighting two opponents, Noburi and Haru, while Noburi is also fighting Akane. This gives us a coherent core: Noburi and Haru are fighting Hazou and Akane. Kei fighting Haru means we can add her to the Hazou side of the fight. Asuma and Mari are unconnected from the rest of the graph, but I think I have an idea for how to fit them in.
See, Akane and Asuma being part of the fight means this is most likely a post-necromancy scenario, with those two being among the people Hazou has successfully found in the Pure Lands. We can naturally expect them to be on Hazou's side (because we wouldn't be rezzing people who haven't already gotten on board with Project Phoenix and our ambition to keep rezzing people until we can demolish the Akatsuki and return to Leaf) so we can place Asuma on Hazou's side of the fight and Mari on Noburi's side.
It seems likely to me that in this timeline Hazou went missing alongside Kei while Noburi, Haru, and Mari all stayed behind in Leaf. Some time after Hazou added Akane and Asuma to his team, the rest of Team Uplift - still obligated to act as loyal Leaf-nin - manage to track us down. Mari and Asuma square off as the most obviously powerful members of their respective teams, and Mari's had time to level that jutsu she got from Orochimaru so she's ready to try out her big strategy of laying down an S-Rank defense and then comboing it with a genjutsu. Asuma's hand is forced: he has to shut that plan down immediately, so he goes all-in with the biggest fireball he's got.
Meanwhile, Noburi prepres Water Whip, Akane buffs up with Flame Aura, and they charge each other. Noburi drives Akane off with the help of elemental advantage, and turns to confront Hazou, who panicks and uses Bleeding River Impalement even though he's never once leveled the jutsu. This does, however, distract Noburi long enough for Akane to come back with a vengeance. Noburi manages to fumble the Water Whip as he calls up Hozuki's Mantle and, desperate to fend off Akane, makes a chakra scalpel and starts swiping away.
Haru, now with his melee buff up, focuses on Hazou who is fully in panic mode right now. Hazou's about to Hide Like a Mole but Haru attacks first, forcing Hazou to put up a MEW to defend himself. Hazou quickly retreats underground and then hides in the cave, and Haru starts busting down the cave's defenses. First the boulder at the cave mouth, and then the MEW wall Hazou prepared earlier inside the cave. But before Haru can finish hunting Hazou down, Kei finally takes her shot and snipes Haru from a distance.
Now, who wins? Kei likely has Haru covered, and Akane seems to have the edge against Noburi. It could be a clean sweep for Project Phoenix... but in the end it really comes down to the Elite Jounin duking it out off to the side. If Asuma succeeds at overwhelming Mari's shield jutsu on turn 1, it's probably over for her: Asuma's older and more experienced and his build is more directly suited to "kill you in the face" combat. If Mari manages to snag him in a genjutsu... well, then they're both stuck there. If Mari works fast she might be able to disable Asuma before her shield jutsu resolves, letting her then rush forward to finish him off before cleaning up whoever survived of Hazou, Akane, and Kei. But if she's not fast enough, if Asuma's willpower is strong enough to weather her storm at least for a little while, then her protective jutsu fades and it all comes down to whoever wins the chuunin showdown. Since that's likely to be Hazou's side, Mari is faced with a difficult choice: abandon the genjutsu and face a full-power Asuma head-on, or keep it up and maybe get taken out while she stands there immobile. Either way, she's not likely to win this fight, so she probably decides to flee rather than keep fighting a losing battle. The "Suspiciously Specific Elemental Interactions Battle" ends with a victory for Team Hazou!
Made a big round of changes to Geode Coffin jutsu (and to the "my thoughts" section).
major changes:
Max Effect is 2*AB
Durability is equal to Effect
Backlash is (30+[5*Effect]), Making high-level use less prohibitive.
Lightning attacks on the Geode split stress 50/50 between the Geode and the caster. (This is a "weakness" because Lightning is bypassing a defensive technique to attack the user, but in practice it actually improves the Jutsu, both as a shield and a kill/capture tool.)
major changes:
Max Effect is 2*AB
Durability is equal to Effect
Backlash is (30+[5*Effect]), Making high-level use less prohibitive.
Lightning attacks on the Geode split stress 50/50 between the Geode and the caster. (This is a "weakness" because Lightning is bypassing a defensive technique to attack the user, but in practice it actually improves the Jutsu, both as a shield and a kill/capture tool.)
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Impossible: Hazou's combat stagnancy is not so easily defeated.
Seems much better, yeah. Level 50 at halfcost could get to Effect : 12, or TN 120 + 12 Shifts, or TN 156 to destroy it in one go. Note that this is still not that safe against Essies, like I suspect ~3 Naruto SCs rolling Rasengan at ~100 + 36 (WE 12) would be enough to break it in one round, but not everyone has multiple attacks with high WE so at least it would give us a chance at survival. Plus, we might be able to cast it at higher Effect with the new Ninjutsu rules. And even at GC 50 (Effect 12), the Backlash is a 90 Roll, which if we somehow survive the hit that blasts through the coffin we can still withstand without dying with Fate Dice and Invokes (Toughened Mind probably works!).
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XP Cost: 50 XPPrerequisites: 3x techniques above level 40 or above in your chosen element.
Designate your highest leveled ninjutsu in your chosen Element as Primary. Add a bonus of +¼ Primary to other ninjutsu in the Element, capped by your level in Primary. This does not affect AB.
When you have the Elemental Advantage (i.e. Water > Fire > Wind > Lightning > Earth > Water) with this element, add +3*AB instead of +AB.
It occurs to me that Noburi could really benefit from leveling Hozuki's Mantle up to level 40 and then buying this stunt, would only cost him 355 XP, would allow him to punk most fire ninjutsu users and net him a version of Hozuki's Mantle that will stay on parity with his highest level water jutsu until level 54.
And once he has a level 60 water jutsu he'll only need to level Hozuki's Mantle up to 45 (a mere 107.5 XP) to get the effect of a level 60 Hozuki's Mantle.
Which would provide a cool +20 bonus to Noburi's Water Whip, a beg step up from the current +7 he gets from his level 20 Hozuki's Mantle.
Also the +30 to avoiding physical ranged attacks is also really strong.
I think it might be a great idea for a ninjutsu spec to dual line two elements, having the counter element of their counter element, under these rules. A ninja could dual line Water and Lightning - and then if the enemy deploys Earth Release to counter the water, they simply defend with a reflexive Earth jutsu and vice versa.
In doing so, they ensure elemental advantage (which is massive) against Two of the Five Elements and can never themselves be countered by the other three if their jutsu synergize properly. For example Water Whip, when comboed with Speed of the Storm and imbued with its Chakra Boost effect, would presumably at least zero-out the disadvantage against Pangolin Earth Armor, because Earth beats Water but Lightning beats Earth - all while still applying advantage against an opponent using Flame Aura. I think Noburi might want to pursue that kind of build path.
In doing so, they ensure elemental advantage (which is massive) against Two of the Five Elements and can never themselves be countered by the other three if their jutsu synergize properly. For example Water Whip, when comboed with Speed of the Storm and imbued with its Chakra Boost effect, would presumably at least zero-out the disadvantage against Pangolin Earth Armor, because Earth beats Water but Lightning beats Earth - all while still applying advantage against an opponent using Flame Aura. I think Noburi might want to pursue that kind of build path.
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I understood that part. What I was asking for was a skill that could potentially be buffed by both. Jutsu such as Water Whip are their own skill and are not covered by Melee Weapons, so not eligible for Combat Training buffs.
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Correct, they do not stack. With the first two stunts, you wouldn't add 1/5th + 1/4th; you'd only add 1/4th to your lower combat stats.
Kei may learn Shadow Element specialization stunts, and she can treat Shadow like an Element for a -5 to the prerequisites for said stunts.
Apparently, Jiraiya didn't much care for the rules.
They didn't mention technique hacking explicitly, but in the same way that Hazou was able to confirm with Asuma that the notes were using TH jargon, it's likely that Akatsuki will be able to do the same if they have a technique hacker on hand.
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Alright, that answered my question from before.
I like this one a lot, especially the fact that it manages to have a wide variety of uses while still having a single cohesive concept.
That is a lot of durability. Peer-level opponents are pretty much not going to be able to break it.
...am I reading this right, or does level 20 let you cast this with TN 120 to damage? Hazō can use it to survive being at ground zero of a full-strength explosive rune. A genin who specializes in this technique... well, no, genin won't have Apprentice Earthshaper. A Chūnin with this as a secondary technique can set up a bunker that normal jōnin are unable to do much about, unless they have earth or lightning. (Though this doesn't let that hypothetical Chūnin win the fight - they'll be stuck if it works, and a lot of the time they'll be badly injured and/or engaged in melee before getting the technique off)
Still feels like a weird special case to me.
Should state whether this can be stacked with substitution.
If it were public, I'd seriously consider it for this alone. (Which is all to the good, I think - an S-rank technique can and should have a secondary use that would be a worthwhile B-rank technique on its own)
(If purely concerned about boosting a singel defensive roll, the XP cost for raising Substitution vs. picking up Geode breaks even at around level 26, for us)
Or level Earth Armor or Ghost Scales (not that we will) and tank being inside the crush - armor works fine. Much costlier, but we could do it before the attacker had a chance to escape, if they had HlaM too.
Does an attack blocked in this manner damage the geode?
Or toss a tag outside of melee range, cast Geode Coffin defensively at low effect, letting the explosion break the geode so that you don't have to spend a standard on that, then tank the mental stress and let everyone else in the zone get hit by both an explosive tag you had cover from and the geode burst.
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Oops, Victim of editing. It should "just" be Effect: 2*AB and Durability: Effect.
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Are you sure this is a good thing? I mean, effectively this is a Substitution. Its all shiny and dandy if it can be combo'd together to both escape and get GC/2 + Sub/2 while encasing the target in the coffin for the cost of 2 Supplementals - but it might not stack with it. In which case it would not even be worth levelling in the medium term. There's also the issue that any Melee Attacker who does NOT abort their attack gets to fight us in a tiny, enclosed Dome where we have nowhere to escape to - a terrible outcome for Hazou - though perhaps we could HlAM out of it.
Anyway, would it not be better if the technique simply tanked the attack it is cast reflexively against, just like it would any other? At Level 50, it is much better to get a chakra construct with TN 120 + 12 Stress Boxes (so TN 156 to oneshot), than a +25 to an Athletics Roll which might not even stack with Substitution. Lets not forget the Reflexive Casting mode is the primary use of the technique for Hazou given his statline.
Perhaps this would be better :
Alternatively, the user can cast Geode Coffin as a reflexive supplemental action to shield themselves, rolling it against an Attack to gain Armor : Effect against it on a Failure or cause it to hit the Coffin on a Success. The caster may then exclude anyone in Melee from entombment. Targets who weren't excluded can roll Athletics to escape in time but a melee attacker can only do so if they abort the attack.
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Wow there is a lot of like math and techniques and stuff going on, and i have no idea what any of it means.
But this seems all really cool and it was great reading through everyone's thoughts on new S-Rank Jutsu and the new rules.
Seems like it is all roughly positive. Very neat!
But this seems all really cool and it was great reading through everyone's thoughts on new S-Rank Jutsu and the new rules.
Seems like it is all roughly positive. Very neat!