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Done! It's in the chapter.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Better off maybe but Kon AI s probably the best Leaf Medic after Tsunade who isn't in the village. Lets not forget that Hazo is just mildly inconvenienced by the Severe and its a matter of when it heals, not if. Meanwhile at any time there might be ninja in mortal peril waiting for medical help out there at Leaf General, and I don't think it'd be right to take up his valuable time when Noburi is more than sufficient to help us recover quickly, because thats potentially a price paid in lives.
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This.
'Mildly inconvenienced by the Severe'? I mean...
Alertness: -8
Athletics: -10
Taijutsu: -10
Deceit: -6
Sealing: -16
Calligraphy: -10
Earthshaping: -6
Primordial Sealing: -2
I suppose if you're restricting the universe of discourse to only infusing runes then it's fair to say that this is a 'mild inconvenience', but you do still have to create them first and -6 is more than what I would call 'mild'. For anything else, Hazō is beat to hell and back.
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@eaglejarl can we vote in training plans? I'd like to raise Noburi's MedNin now that we have the XP.
[X] [Noburi] Turns Out These Emergencies Are Great For My Medical Skills!
[X] [Noburi] Turns Out These Emergencies Are Great For My Medical Skills!
Medical Ninjutsu 44 -> 45 (-45 XP)
Total: 45 XP spent
Total: 45 XP spent
I mean... relative to Leaf ninja (or even civilians) dying due to inadequate medical help because the best medic in the village is babysitting Hazou? Yes, I'd call roll penalties that we will recover from relatively quickly with Noburi assisting us, a mild inconvenience. Relatively speaking. Unless I'm wrong and the hospital is not swamped with people in need of treatment at all times, but that's how I recall it to have been portrayed?
To be clear, I'm not saying the Consequence penalties are mild, I'm saying taking a little longer to heal them is a very mild price to pay when the person in question could be saving lives instead, and people could feasibly die or be crippled because they get a Mednin 40 doctor rather than a Mednin 60.
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Sure, go for it.
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FTFY.
Also, please don't shift goalposts from "a Severe is only a mild inconvenience" to "other people might need the help of senior doctors more than Hazō does."
Um, how am I shifting goalposts when that was literally the entire point of my original post and indeed was written in said post, which you quoted?... And yes, sure, we will need weeks/months to recover with Noburi assisting us. We'd need... slightly shorter weeks/months with the premier medic of Leaf assisting us too. Weeks/Months that said medic could have been doing vital surgeries over instead. Of course its not full time attention but still, how many lives is that, exactly, to shave off a week or three of recovery time? Because its not zero and that sounds callous.
Its not like triage is some alien concept, so unless we're treating a few weeks (I didn't run the math exactly) of Hazou living in a state of diminished capability as more important than the very lives of other people, that doesn't sound a logical thing to do. Now, don't get me wrong, it might be the lay of the land that getting him back to peak capacity is more important than saving a civilian or even genin life, but wasn't Hazou all about Uplift?
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Hazou is in a race against both the Akatsuki and dragons. delays could have world-ending consequences.
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The biggest thing on my mind right now wrt the Severes is that we're in a race, multiple really, and we don't know how much time we have so the only thing we can do is go as fast as we can, and the Severe is getting in the way. And both of these races have fate-of-the-world stakes attached (necromancy and Dragonwar).
I'm not certain I'd go all the way to sacrificing other Leaf-nin by asking Kon Ai to focus attention exclusively on Hazou, but... there's cause to think about it. If we're too slow in the Dragonwar, we might just lose everyone. If we're too slow with necromancy, the Akatsuki secure the rift and we're locked out, not only denying us Jiraiya and Akane but forcing us to watch as Pein returns to create a new world order. I'm not Shikamaru to tally up all the unknowns and put hard numbers on those figures, but I'd be remiss to treat them as morally negligible.
Right now, especially, was prime time to move ahead at full speed. We were working on the final Rift Seals necessary to gather vital data and refine our necromancy plans, and lithosealing is just coming into view as we speak. We had this plan to push through the early exploration of lithosealing within about a month before deciding whether to share with Orochimaru or not, and now it's all the harder to accomplish that. (Especially the deal itself, if we wind up having to conduct it while grievously wounded. I think it stands to reason that whatever we hoped to get out of him in exchange, we'll get less if we have to work around Hazou's hefty stat penalties)
Some of this is just personal "that's a bummer" stuff, but some of it has existential weight, and it all bundles together into a big mass of "being injured here makes everything more difficult, including very important things that we care a lot about and assign lots of moral weight to". I'm currently unsure still, but there is most definitely a strong case for getting Hazou priority treatment.
I'm not certain I'd go all the way to sacrificing other Leaf-nin by asking Kon Ai to focus attention exclusively on Hazou, but... there's cause to think about it. If we're too slow in the Dragonwar, we might just lose everyone. If we're too slow with necromancy, the Akatsuki secure the rift and we're locked out, not only denying us Jiraiya and Akane but forcing us to watch as Pein returns to create a new world order. I'm not Shikamaru to tally up all the unknowns and put hard numbers on those figures, but I'd be remiss to treat them as morally negligible.
Right now, especially, was prime time to move ahead at full speed. We were working on the final Rift Seals necessary to gather vital data and refine our necromancy plans, and lithosealing is just coming into view as we speak. We had this plan to push through the early exploration of lithosealing within about a month before deciding whether to share with Orochimaru or not, and now it's all the harder to accomplish that. (Especially the deal itself, if we wind up having to conduct it while grievously wounded. I think it stands to reason that whatever we hoped to get out of him in exchange, we'll get less if we have to work around Hazou's hefty stat penalties)
Some of this is just personal "that's a bummer" stuff, but some of it has existential weight, and it all bundles together into a big mass of "being injured here makes everything more difficult, including very important things that we care a lot about and assign lots of moral weight to". I'm currently unsure still, but there is most definitely a strong case for getting Hazou priority treatment.
And yet he went into a cave he didn't need to go into, knowing he risked death (and world-ending consequences) in doing so. Imo evil is evil, the moment you allow yourself to dictate the value of your... time to be greater than another's life because of nebulous consequences of a slight delay being potentially apocalyptic is the moment you've gone too far. And lets not treat 300-400 XP worth of stat debuff towards each task as something overly crippling either, it will slow him down yes but its not like he's in a coma and will get nothing done.
Fundamentally I don't think Hazou would respond very kindly to an in-universe suggestion that a village of civilians be sacrificed to get him fully back on his feet two weeks faster than otherwise, and that's essentially the suggestion here. Worse, its the best medic in Leaf at present so normally he would be the one doing the most important surgeries on say jounin and chuunin returning injured from their missions, so taking up his time sounds extra bad in case there is an emergency and we cause them to miss it. Noburi is very competent anyway, as we've seen.
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Letting Orochimaru bioseal us will absolutely result in him putting a kill switch in our brain. This is a non-starter.
We went into the cave so hazou would unstagnate so he could fix the dragons faster. Explaining that in universe is sorta difficult though. Can say strong body leads to strong mind for sealing but that's a stretch
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We went into the cave to save our clanmate. Kakashi's ninja way has a lot going for it.
Also you've totally moved the goalposts and being unable to use Shadow Clone for the duration of the Severe is way more than a minor inconvenience because our bandwidth drops precipitously.
Oro can kill us the normal way. He doesn't need to spend extra effort now to make it easier in the future. Also the faster recovery from Oro compared to that other mednin people are talking about could make the difference between extinction
If we do learn that Asuma ordered Akane killed... can we join the Akatsuki? Lmao.
They are S rank mass murderers yeah, but so far they've been pretty chill, especially Hidan and Kakuzu. Also they'd have some great shinies they could teach us. Also we're totally on the Pain 2.0 path.
They are S rank mass murderers yeah, but so far they've been pretty chill, especially Hidan and Kakuzu. Also they'd have some great shinies they could teach us. Also we're totally on the Pain 2.0 path.
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There's a huge difference between needing to kill us himself and being able to twitch his chakra and we drop dead from an aneurysm. This is why we rejected the no-sleep seal.
How much faster do you think Orochimaru would have us back on our feet and what do you think it would cost? Frankly you're probably simply wrong about both given your demonstrated inability to model this game/quest/world but we might as well get specifics.
The arguments against are our friends and family in Leaf and the fact that they'd own our asses in a way Asuma simply doesn't.
If we talk to Konan and she's cool? Honestly I say we go for it.
Under what circumstance would Oro decide to kill hazou without being in front of him or collecting the body afterwards?
I think Oro is better than that medic by at least as much as that medic is better than noburi. I haven't thought of what that translates into in time yet, not what it would cost. Under what basis do you consider me unable to model the world? I do not believe myself to be wrong more than the average hive mind denizen
Itachi is a whiny little bitch though
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