Haruhisa, who designed the Massive and Rapid Infrastructure technique, has agreed to teach Reo Technique Hacking in Earth Element in exchange for an exorbitant payment. It is of course affordable as you have voting-clan finances, but it is large enough that it surprisingly puts a dent in them (Don't ask about what this means mechanically, the organization rules are under the hood for a reason). He will start Reo's instruction in a couple weeks to a month once he finishes his current project for the Motoyoshi, and that instruction will take 3 to 6 months.

Mari declined that you should give away a major-clan-secret tier thing in exchange for something that could be bought perfectly well with money. She observes that Haruhisa would keep a lot more of his exorbitant fee if he were clan rather than clanless, and if those notes are worth anything, then a few subtle hints could make them an additional carrot...
"That said, we may not be able to get any adoption slots above the basic two – KEI's been stingy handing them out and no one is selling this late in the year. The two we get should be enough to adopt the two new ninja I've seen around, right?"

"Yeah," Hazō said, "but I'm considering making a pitch to Reo's Technique Hacking teacher."

"Makes sense," said Mari. "Speaking of which, I heard from Reo. Apparently, his apprenticeship is going well. He's had a couple close calls while learning, but his experience with ninjutsu is helping him a lot. Sounds pretty fun, honestly. He wanted me to ask you if we were fine continuing to fund his tutoring at Haruhisa's exorbitant rate. If so, he wants to take it slow and steady. I think he was inspired by Kagome's teachings."

"Yes. And we should find room in the budget to support his apprenticeship. Let him know to take all the time he needs to learn – there's no point paying the fee for half as long if he ends up dead as a result of rushing."

"You know," Mari said, "You can't just say 'find room in the budget' and expect it to happen. Except you have Gaku, so I'll tell him and he'll make it happen. Anyway, I'll see if there's any clan that wants to commit to letting go of one ticket when they refresh at the new year. It'll be tough, given the way most clans want to distance themselves from us, but hey, what else is Haru for?"
Assuming our meeting with the disgruntled adoptees goes decently, how does everyone feel about sounding out Haruhisa for adoption next year? As Mari pointed out, he'd gain a lot of benefits from joining. The benefits we'd gain from adopting the experienced THer that's teaching Reo would likewise be immense.
 
Assuming our meeting with the disgruntled adoptees goes decently, how does everyone feel about sounding out Haruhisa for adoption next year? As Mari pointed out, he'd gain a lot of benefits from joining. The benefits we'd gain from adopting the experienced THer that's teaching Reo would likewise be immense.
The next ninja I want to adopt is that friend of Shinji's who moved onto the estate a few weeks/months ago. The one who wants to teach at the Academy.
 
Frankly I think Kei has a stronger and more consistent moral compass than Hazō. She chose to stop the Pangolin trade deal when he didn't, nor did Hazō have very strong feelings about Haru's actions against the Yakuza.

(All three of them have stronger moral compasses than the actual Sannin, thank the Sage.)
For now :V

I do feel due to the presence of an eldritch hivemind the players, hazou is much more pragmatic and rationalist than hazou-pilot at times.

I don't exactly recall why hazou didn't make any strong actions against Haru in that case. Wasn't that because we the players did not decide to do anything about it?
 
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Giving piece odds in chess (or shogi) is a resources analogy. Asuma has more pieces (so more options, more raw power), Shikamaru has more skill. Shikamaru will see more options, notice more weaknesses, have a stronger defense, and punish mistakes harder. Translating that analogy, Hazou is surely the one giving piece odds. Sasori is older, has stronger and firmer allies, exists more fully inside the universe (no YOUTHSUIT ooc insanities). Hazou's one material advantage is that he already has primordial sealing - by the analogy, he's just caught up to an equal position. Everything else Hazou has going for him is outside the context of the game: he's not going to win because of what's on the board, he's going to win because of what he himself brings to the table, player knowledge cheaty bullshit.

I also didn't think that scene was a metaphor for Hazou vs any particular opponent, but if you want to read it that way, it's grimly optimistic, not despondent.
Wait, what if it was semi-meta and the metaphor is actually for the QMs and players?

We've finally built up enough advantages that we can keep up with the kaiju, but it took a desperate resolve to use every advantage. To never go easy, as Hazō put it.

We're giving piece odds in the context of only partially understanding the rules/world, but with our combined effort and skill we can navigate it better than it's natural inhabitants.

Plus shikamaru is giving Asuma a headache. The parallels are obvious
 
The next ninja I want to adopt is that friend of Shinji's who moved onto the estate a few weeks/months ago. The one who wants to teach at the Academy.
Funnily enough, he (and his partner) were also mentioned in the chapter where Mari floated the idea of adopting Haruhisa.
"Great," Hazō said. "Relatedly, I wanted to ask about your teammates."

"Genda Jitsuku and Nakano Ryōichi, sir? Yes, they've been spending a lot of time around the estate lately. I think they've been more inclined to visit since we moved into Leaf, even if we're a bit… underequipped right now."

"Right, Genda and Nakano. I still remember them from way back when we were in the Chūnin Exams together. I wanted to ask if you think they will pursue adoption."

Shinji paused for a second to think, causing his frizzy hair to topple over one side of his head. "I think so, Lord Hazō. They've seen enough of how the Gōketsu treat me to approve of it, I think. Oh, I should let you know: they're a couple. Anyway, I think they're both trying to settle down a little. We've all seen enough friends die to know we've been very lucky to all survive this long, and with Genda and I having both found a way to contribute to the village without being on the front lines, I think Nakano is also looking for a chance to step down. I think he was thinking about becoming an Academy teacher?"

Hazō considered that. If Nakano became a part of Gōketsu, having an Academy teacher would strengthen Gōketsu's soft power in a very important way. It could even open up avenues for spreading Uplift's influence…

"I see. Well, I can arrange housing for them, if they'd like. Genda has certainly contributed enough to the clan that I feel no qualms about giving them a place to stay for free, and I would be glad to adopt her. As for Nakano, I'd prefer to see a longer history of service on the estate before I make any such decisions. Feel free to let him know that."

"Understood, sir!" Shinji said, before saluting, bowing, and bounding off.
 
Awww... No SSA bonus to PS :(
I really hoped that our Essie tricks would stack.


I feel like we're being prompted to figure something out, but I have no idea what.
"research how the sealing scrolls work" maybe?
I've had vague impressions of what [bark] means and it's significance. I think that bark is trying to describe the process of creating/accessing an intelligence bound to your will to translate what you want into chakra effects.

It contains growth, in part, or maybe self replication?

Summoning scrolls are [bark], as they have a... machine intelligence guiding their function, bound to the substrate.

I think giving birth is often [bark]. I really want to ask Cannai about that.


Source for all this? Pretty much just vibes, connected to conspiracy theories about how Land/bosshood works.

My pet theory is bosses are something like a yeerk pool, each sapience bound to them returning to the whole when they die. [Bark] is the sensation of spreading yourself, of investing yourself

We should really ask if earth/shadow clones are bark
 
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Epistemic status: musing.

I'm not sure that a continued relationship with Jashin is worth all the fuss. For a moment, let's ignore the fact that leaving Jashinism might result in a fairly acute case of three-bladed scythe poisoning. What are the costs, and the benefits, of Jashin worship?

Jashin has, to date, done us one really, really big solid - the Rift. At the very minimum, He plausibly had a hand in opening it. But, that was an unconditional freebie, and definitely not a benefit of worship or even belief because those came after the Rift. Add the fact that it doesn't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon and I'm not inclined to count it as a benefit of committing murder in His name.

So, in exchange for some light devotion, what has Jashin done for us?

Moved some dice around with unclear accuracy?

Perhaps played some role in a remote-viewing ritual?

I'm not giving Him any credit for situations that He credibly got us into. Jashin gets no points for helping us win the lives of those villagers against Hidan - in fact, I'm inclined to count the deaths which did occur against Him. I won't go so far as to hold Him culpable for all of Hidan's actions, but that one? Absolutely.

In exchange, we've had to bend over backwards for Hidan, we're at the mercy of the Hagoromo socially (what happens if they refuse to purify us?), and Yuno's all fucked up. If we want to keep this going, we need to start committing murders that Hazo feels at least a little bad about, if not a lot bad. We also continue to incur the risks associated with spending time around Hidan, who is deeply unstable, unhinged, and casually murderous on a good day.

Does that sound like a good deal to anyone? Personally, I'd pass.

Note that I'm not denying the existence of Jashin. On the balance of probabilities, I think that there's probably something out there and that it probably gives Hidan his juice. I'm just saying that as far as partners in Uplift go, Harumitsu has done more and asked less. If Jashin can't do better than a nearsighted genin with a speech impediment then I really start to question why we're spending so much time and energy on pursuing a relationship with Him, especially when it requires that we betray some of our deepest-held ideals.

Right. The bit where Hidan would murder us.
 
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For a moment, let's ignore the fact that leaving Jashinism might result in a fairly acute case of three-bladed scythe poisoning
This is my main reason for Jashinism, let's not ignore it.

I agree that the benefits are uncertain and the costs high if we are ever found out.

However, I don't think the costs are super high compared to being dead. I think they're high in exchange for some nifty rolls once in a blue moon.
 
I'm not sure that a continued relationship with Jashin is worth all the fuss. For a moment, let's ignore the fact that leaving Jashinism might result in a fairly acute case of three-bladed scythe poisoning. What are the costs, and the benefits, of Jashin worship?

Personally I don't think it matters at all if we worship Jashin or not. Jashin has chosen Hazou. That means he's going to be taking an interest in our lives regardless of what we do.

Denouncing him could just mean he decides to throw more challenges at us. Put us in situations where we have to kill
 
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Additionally, Hazō and Asuma went back to the Tower and talking in more detail about the abilities of the Earthshaping jutsu. Asuma had wanted you to go into Rock and trash one of their mines but, after learning the details of what would be required, Asuma regretfully decided that it wasn't practical. He has dropped the idea.
Is this idea still impractical with the changes made to ES?
 
I don't actually trust Hidan's ability to interpret the will of Jashin very accurately.
And speaking of which I personally suspect Jashin views Hazou in a similar light that Hazou views Jashin - a convenient means to an end because their interests align. He didn't seem to give the rift to Hidan which he plausibly could have done at any time, given that Hidan is frequently in the company of sealmasters. But instead he gave it to a guy who (if Jashin is indeed capable of reading nature/intent) he knows is completely disinterested in serving him beyond where their goals might already align.

I think the above is decently plausible. This next part delves increasingly further into headcanon territory but I think it's possible these Old God figures have some sort of obligations they have to follow by their very nature, like old oaths sworn they need to uphold and such. I think it may even be possible Jashin is obligated to support Hidan due to Hidan's servitude even if he doesn't actually like Hidan.
 
Some ideas we may not have considered yet:
  • Can we apply ES for farming? All I can think about from the top of my head is separating out nitrogen from soil (or manure, or sewage). IIRC ES can let us extract minerals from muddy soil, so precipitating out different minerals from soil/sewage might be possible.
  • Similarly, extracting the nitrogen from the soil in a large area will probably (in my armchair opinion) leave that land barren for a while. Can we use that to reduce chakra beast territories in size? E.g. reduce the nutrient so the chakra trees die, meaning the chakra beast ecosystem also slowly dies. Etc.
  • Knowing how to make fertilizer like urea and ammonia would mean we can make mundane explosives. Some fun stuff we can do there.
I'm sure there are some mineralogists and agriculture nerds out here in this thread, so please help me out. While ES may not be able to do chemistry, I believe there's still high abuse potential in this jutsu that we haven't mined yet :V
 
Some ideas we may not have considered yet:
  • Can we apply ES for farming? All I can think about from the top of my head is separating out nitrogen from soil (or manure, or sewage). IIRC ES can let us extract minerals from muddy soil, so precipitating out different minerals from soil/sewage might be possible.
  • Similarly, extracting the nitrogen from the soil in a large area will probably (in my armchair opinion) leave that land barren for a while. Can we use that to reduce chakra beast territories in size? E.g. reduce the nutrient so the chakra trees die, meaning the chakra beast ecosystem also slowly dies. Etc.
  • Knowing how to make fertilizer like urea and ammonia would mean we can make mundane explosives. Some fun stuff we can do there.
I'm sure there are some mineralogists and agriculture nerds out here in this thread, so please help me out. While ES may not be able to do chemistry, I believe there's still high abuse potential in this jutsu that we haven't mined yet :V
Look I'm saying it now I knew that when we did this this could and would cause us to crash the farming in the Elemental Nations and causing a dust bowl-esque situation
 
Thinking a bit about stealth necromancy again. The main obstacle to just going in and exploring (once we can open a rift in the first place) is that such an activity will probably be visible to the Akatsuki and they'll secure the site and take us into captivity as soon as we exit. We've brainstormed ways around this, such as bunkering down for a seige or hoping to keep them all distracted long enough to complete our mission, and if we can move the rift then that's certainly the best way to keep the rift out of Akatsuki's hands, but I keep circling back to "wouldn't it be nice if they just never knew that we were in there in the first place?"

It's easy enough to leave no traces behind. We can close the rift again by just throwing some local wildlife back and forth through it until it's pinprick-tiny, and if we just go there to put someone in and leave it can look like just another unproductive visit to the rift: Akatsuki certainly doesn't seem to go red alert over that. We can also skywalk in and leave no traces if we wish, but I digress. If we then leave the site completely and come back some time later, weeks or months, Akatsuki would have no clue that necromancy is actively ongoing, and we could complete it without detection. The problem with this approach is that it leaves someone on the other side of the rift with no avenue of communication with the outside world. They'd know where the rift site is, and they'd know how to return to it with anyone they find, but they're on their own until the rift opens up again.

And how to open the rift up again? I mean, we could do it the second way the same as the first way, by presumably bringing Naruto along and giving a very loyal Leaf-nin a first-hand look at necromancy fulfilled. This can naturally come back to bite us once he goes back to Leaf: even if we haven't rezzed anyone Leaf would frown upon, Asuma would immediately take control of the rift site as a critical Leaf strategic resource, which may interfere with our goals.

But we keep hearing that the modified Minato Seal wouldn't need an abundance of chakra if it was being activated on both sides of the rift. If we have a sealmaster on both sides, each with a MS8.3 (or RS3, Rift Seal 3, as I would personally call them), Naruto doesn't need to know a thing. Sure, our intrepid explorer couldn't walk back into Leaf without tipping Naruto off, but this would still allow us to extract people without either Akatsuki or Leaf detecting what we're doing.

So where does that leave us? We go to the rift, Naruto opens it up, someone goes in, we close the rift, everyone goes home for a month, our explorer goes and looks for people. What then? After that month passes, how do we get both sealmasters activating RS3 at the same time?

Well, before tackling the timing, this is a moot point unless we can ward off the path drain. That's pretty much a hard prerequisite for this route. We need to either keep RS3's alive for the entire timespan, or Hazou/Kagome needs to retain enough chakra to make new ones (and in such a circumstance our explorer would be forced to be Hazou or Kagome). But let's say we get that, how do we solve the timing?

And I'm thinking, the Rift Seals are supposed to send chakra constructs through the rift, right? Could we make a fourth rift seal, designed to send a signal through the rift? Our explorer sitting on the other side would, say, hear a loud sound from the rift and know that the home team is on the other side ready for exfiltration. A minute later on the dot, both of them activate RS3 at the same time and re-open the rift. No Naruto required, no prolonged presence Akatsuki could spot, in-and-out necromancy without any traces left behind.

A little more work adds some redundancies to this plan: if the first attempt fails, the home team withdraws for a short span of time agreed in advance and tries again. After a few more rounds of this, if unfruitful, the home team goes back to Leaf and gets Naruto for a proper one-sided opening. That is to say, stealth necromancy can be made to fail gracefully into a variant that only keeps the Akatsuki out of the loop while letting Leaf learn what we're up to.

Once again, if possible moving the rift still appears the obvious correct choice to me, but I like having a backup plan like this ready to go. There will come a question of what research projects to focus our attention on, and Rift Seal 4 might take a back seat to more "Plan A" necroseals, but I would say that stealth necromancy is a good Plan B before we resort to Plan C scenarios like "outlast the Akatsuki in a siege". In short, we should take this idea and propose it to Kagome (to vet Rift Seal 4) and Ami (to vet socio-political viability and payout) at some point in the near future.
 
But let's say we get that, how do we solve the timing?
Time passes differently on the Seventh Path and the Human Path. Why would the Pure Lands be any different? We don't have timekeeping devices (not reliable, portable ones, anyway, and we can't use seals) and the margin of error for simultaneous activation is probably measured in seconds or minutes at most: this is going to be a weeks-long mission, so even if time moves in lockstep, even if the sun rises and sets at the same time, it just doesn't seem viable.

Put another way: why are we planning for something going right?

If we can bring Naruto and get seals that work on in the Pure Lands, we can just Kool-Aid man out of the Rift whenever we like.

Ultimately, I think finding Pain and praying that we bring enough gear for him to bust us out is the only real play, unless we want to make this a Leaf endeavor and hope that we bring enough traitors to make it an Uplift one once we're on the other side.

The real issue is that we need to understand how the ambient drain works before we go on extended missions. That's going to require testing, which requires opening the Rift.
 
Denouncing him could just mean he decides to throw more challenges at us. Put us in situations where we have to kill
What I really want to do is just tender a polite resignation. I don't want to scream at the heavens that god is a wuss: there's no benefit and you run a significant risk of being hit by lightning.

But, we're already denouncing him pretty hard. How about just not killing people in His name? If we don't see pretty significant favours from Jashin after double digits of dedicated kills, or at least a weird dream, then the only reason to keep pursuing it is to satisfy Hidan.
 
I think what we're coming to the conclusion of is that we need the rift to be secure, which means moving it somewhere Akatsuki isn't.
 
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