Can't we just research them first and have the meeting then?
Definitely needs to be cut from the "w/o sealing" version.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Definitely needs to be cut from the "w/o sealing" version.
That will mean more sealing time for Hazo, since he needs to make substitution seals and rocket boot seals.
Improving how many time we can reuse rocket boots save sealing time for Hazo.
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Substitution requires an unobstructed line of sight due to just being fast movement IIRC. I'm not sure we can substitute seals out of pockets or out of shoes.
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Those are the rules for the technique, yes. Not so sure about the seal.
E: Oh, as an aside, once we get CATEARS, we can probably eke out a few spare TN from rocket boots by making them activated normally, which might get us an extra point of boost from them.
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[X] Action Plan: Holding Action
Words: 372
Timeline: 1 research cycle
With Noburi, go to Asuma directly and take a couple Till-N-Fills
Summon low-cost Dogs who want to hang out
Talk during the mission
Please spend less time at the hospital, such that you can study one(mednin) or ideally both sets of notes
Please begin researching the tenketsu opening surgery.
Suggest experimenting on common Chakra beasts
Consult with Dr. Yakushi? Don't do if Mari et al can't find a workable angle
Meet with disgruntled clanmates:
Optimize with Mari, Kei, and Noburi
Demanding they surrender their jutsu without discussion was a mistake. He's sorry.
Hazo withheld nothing combat relevant during the war.
A few diagnostic seals, nothing else.
He's reconsidering MARS access: it potentially leaked with Akane's death.
The issue of KEI justu will come up for every clan.
Goketsu's influential. What they decide, collectively, could set precedent.
What do they want? What issues do they see? Do they have ideas? You want something that works for everyone - them included.
Encourage them to ruminate: you don't need an answer immediately.
Privately, encourage Mari to share a few of her ninjutsu.
Over half the clan shares her Lightning Element; more options could genuinely be gamechanging.
At the very least, she could share the techniques she contributed to the Tower with the Clan.
Offscreen
Hazō offers to personally train Sasha when she graduates
Trade for Harumitsu's Cold Seal. Offer: One of Hazō's genin seals except Goo Bombs (Examples, bubbles, fireworks)
Remind him Hazou will always help him out if he really needs it
Nobs tests to see if storing an item sterilizes it (Spirits are sorta alive?)
Would Arachnid Silk Bandages be an improvement on regular bandages? If so, donate a bunch. We can take a temporary loss on the Silk Trade.
Sealing
Test how MARS interacts with Rocket Boots, try triggering pairs attached to the feet/elbows/back and multiple pairs at once
Use SCs as test subjects.
Sealing
Full Prep:
SC SSA: CATEARS.
Prime SSA: Reusable Rocket Boots.
Improve the seal until it challenges stagnation
Aim for six uses, and then boost the bonus as much as possible
Non-SSA SC: Fourfold Seal of Preservation
Hazō's intuition on prep:
Genin seals - Substitution, Harumitsu's Cold Seal, Electrocution, other Jiraiya seals
Words: 372
Timeline: 1 research cycle
With Noburi, go to Asuma directly and take a couple Till-N-Fills
Summon low-cost Dogs who want to hang out
Talk during the mission
Please spend less time at the hospital, such that you can study one(mednin) or ideally both sets of notes
Please begin researching the tenketsu opening surgery.
Suggest experimenting on common Chakra beasts
Consult with Dr. Yakushi? Don't do if Mari et al can't find a workable angle
Meet with disgruntled clanmates:
Optimize with Mari, Kei, and Noburi
Demanding they surrender their jutsu without discussion was a mistake. He's sorry.
Hazo withheld nothing combat relevant during the war.
A few diagnostic seals, nothing else.
He's reconsidering MARS access: it potentially leaked with Akane's death.
The issue of KEI justu will come up for every clan.
Goketsu's influential. What they decide, collectively, could set precedent.
What do they want? What issues do they see? Do they have ideas? You want something that works for everyone - them included.
Encourage them to ruminate: you don't need an answer immediately.
Privately, encourage Mari to share a few of her ninjutsu.
Over half the clan shares her Lightning Element; more options could genuinely be gamechanging.
At the very least, she could share the techniques she contributed to the Tower with the Clan.
Offscreen
Hazō offers to personally train Sasha when she graduates
Trade for Harumitsu's Cold Seal. Offer: One of Hazō's genin seals except Goo Bombs (Examples, bubbles, fireworks)
Remind him Hazou will always help him out if he really needs it
Nobs tests to see if storing an item sterilizes it (Spirits are sorta alive?)
Would Arachnid Silk Bandages be an improvement on regular bandages? If so, donate a bunch. We can take a temporary loss on the Silk Trade.
Sealing
Test how MARS interacts with Rocket Boots, try triggering pairs attached to the feet/elbows/back and multiple pairs at once
Use SCs as test subjects.
Sealing
Full Prep:
SC SSA: CATEARS.
Prime SSA: Reusable Rocket Boots.
Improve the seal until it challenges stagnation
Aim for six uses, and then boost the bonus as much as possible
Non-SSA SC: Fourfold Seal of Preservation
Hazō's intuition on prep:
Genin seals - Substitution, Harumitsu's Cold Seal, Electrocution, other Jiraiya seals
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Ooh so you think UBER PUNCH RBs instead of RRB? Maybe something like variable strength of expulsion plus longer Impulse = multi taggable or multiple attacks (idea being turning being much much easier with variable acceleration)
D'oh!
That's brilliant and should have been obvious!
CATEARS-activated RBs don't need to be reusable. We can just stack a bunch on our feet and use CATEARS to activate them in descending order!
This implies that our out RRB unstagnation project should focus first on getting the biggest bonus, and have extra uses be an afterthought.
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Done.
Also done.
Any particular reason you're not interested in my plan?
This is ignoring the fact that nonreusuable rocket boots require more labor on behalf of Hazo. It's a worthy investment to get reusuable rocket boots.
[X] Action Plan: Mending Fences
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"Where do you think your blood comes from, Cannai?"
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I still personally don't agree that we lied or mislead Yuno and don't like that framing (though not all of what came up in the plan made it in the chapter I suppose.) The rest of it is fine but I would personally frame it more as "to further clarify my position" etc etc. That's just my preference
The background char Clanmate stuff is perhaps a bit overspecified but I have no serious qualms with it.
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What I mean to say is that we were not maximally honest/open/forthright, and, as she's family, we should have been straight with her the first time.
Do you agree that we were less than straight with her? This is curiosity as opposed to anything else, and I'm 100% basing it on what appeared in the text vs. what was in the plan.
While it's true that CATEARS based RB usage would require us to scribe more seals, it would also provide us with bigger combat bonuses.
Given how rarely we end up in combat, how important it is to not die, and how easily we can make more seals, this is an excellent trade off.
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A better objection to this system would be that is that it exposes CATEARS/MARS, which is an OPSEC nightmare, especially if we want to share it with the whole clan.
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We already have tremendous demand on our time. In case you haven't noticed, Hazo is doing seals for Ino, lens for Aburame, gems for Hyuga.
Each seal costs at least five minute to scribe, and each new seal researched is another seal Hazo has to scribe.
The great disadvantage of MARS and its tech tree is that we have to literally scribe at least one for every seal we paired it with. If ours is 30 seals chained with MARS, that's 60 seals, which is 300 minutes, or 5 hours.
Now imagine doing that for every ninja in the clan. If we have 10 ninja, it's fifty hours.
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I was for the plan when it was voted in, but did not like how it was implemented dishonestly. That was due to a difference in opinion between the QMs and Players in how Hazō views Jashin which has since been resolved though, so I'm cautiously, optimistic that things could go better this time.
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Why are we doing this? We aren't dedicating the kills to Jashin. Why not stay home?
This is not true: Shadow Clone credibly counts. It's a simpler narrative but they're definitely going to ask about the weird training stuff we do.
Do they not have access to the best available Rocket Boots? Are any of the aggrieved sealmasters who could use the dampeners?
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It's much easier to negotiate when your group contains a dozen Clan Bosses who consider failure to be an existential risk.
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So yeah I didn't view this as dishonest or deceptive. I don't think we deliberately withheld anything. Plan did call for saying Hazou doesn't really see Jashin as something worth reverence, moreso an ally of convenience but I don't recall if it was mentioned or not
I'd lead more with "I don't think I got my message across completely" than "I deliberately withheld my true thoughts to be deceitful" bc FMPOV Hazou absolutely didn't do that. If anything, he's lying to Mari and co. about how extensive his connection to Jashin is.
I disagree! And I'll stay disagreeing. I guess it comes down to discrepancy in Hazou's perceived connection to Jashin, but a core component from the previous updates, when convincing Hidan about the life aspect stuff was that Hazou couldn't lie about it! Or Hidan would see through it. In that moment, Hazou legitimately expected that Jashin approved of his behavior. Now you can say Hazou doesn't actually CARE that Jashin approves but the yuno plan didn't say Hazou gives a shit about revering Jashin, quite the opposite.
In fairness it doesn't seem like the players had/have their minds made up either. I don't think anyone endorses actual worship, but the level of "willing to work with what we've got" seems to vary.
Hidan explicitly told us, you better meet your kill quota when I return. And I won't tell you how many so you don't do the bare minimum. We can't lie to him about this.
No it definitely doesn't! Hazou is not in control of whether or not they can get access to shadow clone. At best he can try and argue on their behalf, but it's absolutely not his fault or responsibility and not something he withheld from them.
Dunno about the latter but Hazou literally just finished learning RB and his are much better than Kagome's
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Clarification: FOOM is a clan secret training technique Hazo did not share with them. If we tell them that we only held back diagnostic seals they're going to ask about our mysterious training sessions and I would like to have an answer specified.
(I'm working on doing this.)
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"Shadow Clone is a national secret. Sorry I can't tell you more." Pretty easy IMO. And I'd expect that they already know this. Shadow clone is publicly known, a la Naruto, but everyone also knows the particulars are need-to-know, and Hazou is a known SC user.