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- He/Him
I want a goddamn scroll hunt with ino
I want Hazou to do NINJA THINGS and include Hazou's NINJA GIRLFRIEND like she asked PLEASE
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
I want Hazou to do NINJA THINGS and include Hazou's NINJA GIRLFRIEND like she asked PLEASE
- Location
- Fifth Dimension
With new information, I propose we extend another shadow clone to use prep on Force Wall as we do our other sealing projects.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
You want to have two different Shadow Clones working on different projects, in addition to Prime working on his own?
We, uh, don't have the Stats to do that safely. Not without a mountain of FP for rerolls...
- Location
- Fifth Dimension
Yes.
I figured the +16 on prep would be our safety net, if I'm wrong then...nvm. But I do think Force Wall can solve many a problem.
- Location
- Book Fort
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- They/Them
Boosting this. It's a cool action plan, and lots of cool kids are voting for it. You want to be cool, right? 😎
Boosting this.
I have several different build plans for Sasha made, but without knowing her Element or build-preferences, they're rather unrefined/un-optimized.
- Location
- Texas
It doesn't have to be true nanothread, just as small as he can make it. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
Could you please specify that the Minato Seals SC and Prime are using SSA?
Base sealing is 50, non SSA max prep is +12, so 62 total. Even with the maximum -12, we're rolling a 50 which is right in the middle of the chunin TNs. As long as we're doing anything on the less difficult half, we're fine. Having said that.... @acidshill, could we add a non-SC also prepping and researching CATEARS as well?
- Location
- Yes.
do not make an Armageddon Initiative plan do not make an Armageddon Initiative plan do not make an Armageddon Initiative plan
- Location
- America
[x] [Yamanaka]: Buying the Freedom to Act
Offer: Up to 3 days-worth of Goo Bombs. Less is fine, not more.
Request: Yamanaka will help squash the rumors about Hazou's Jashinism, and bolster the clan's reputation for a period of 4 months (defense against the Hag/rival clans, freeing Hazou to act elsewhere).
Request: Ino (or similarly powerful Yamanaka) comes on a Goketsu-led Scroll Hunt + forfeits their claim on anything found.
Let's go on adventures and make unforgettable memories with Ino! We really need allies that we can trust with ALL of our secrets, and nothing is better for bringing people closer together than life or death situations.
Offer: Up to 3 days-worth of Goo Bombs. Less is fine, not more.
Request: Yamanaka will help squash the rumors about Hazou's Jashinism, and bolster the clan's reputation for a period of 4 months (defense against the Hag/rival clans, freeing Hazou to act elsewhere).
Request: Ino (or similarly powerful Yamanaka) comes on a Goketsu-led Scroll Hunt + forfeits their claim on anything found.
Let's go on adventures and make unforgettable memories with Ino! We really need allies that we can trust with ALL of our secrets, and nothing is better for bringing people closer together than life or death situations.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[-] Research Sasha's native Element and Build preferences
Meme plan it would be, but it would still earn my vote.
Uhh isn't this covered by 'Hazou-pilot's best judgement'?
You mean a non-SSA SC, right? I assume you don't mean that Prime should research this.
- Location
- Texas
[X] Action Plan: Cannai! We Need to Cook
Yup, sorry too many abbreviations.
Does anyone want any further changes to this? And would someone who understands the sealing rules better than I do please confirm this makes sense, will not lead to disaster, and will properly convey our intentions to the QMs?
Not a fan of this, too many seals at once will stretch FP too thin. Additionally extra prep days will slow RB and MS7/8.
- Location
- Texas
If we use prep, none of that research will need FP except for -12s on the RB, and that's only if a 46 is indeed a failure there.
As far as it taking more time... Well, sure, it will take two to four days longer and we get CATEARS out of it. Sounds worth it to me.
I'm hoping "Hazou-pilot's best judgement" and "if possible" will result in Hazou selecting a course of action that's relatively safe... but that does depend on whatever the QMs want to do. Ughhh I hate this. I personally do not understand the sealing rules well enough to tell what is a good idea and what is not, I'm relying on other people to tell me, and everyone seems to want something different...
- Location
- Texas
Ha! Unfortunately, these are pretty simple seals for the QMs. MS7 and RB are already built, and CATEARS is just an ARS with a fancy trim
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Why these?
Earth Pillar was in the plan for last update and @ProperAttorney wanted CATEARS. I don't have a strong opinion myself.
- Location
- United States
How long will 4FSoP take?
Cycle 1 (no FP): Sealing 50 + 24(SSA) + 16(prep) = 90 (Base)
However, we can speed things up with FP. As @Paperclipped discovered and @Inferno Vulpix so eloquently put:
We therefore have an expected FD value of +3.114 for a maximum of 2 FP expenditure (on average we're likely to spend much less than that).
So, if we have a few FP available, our cycle one infusion roll looks like:
Sealing 50 + 24(SSA) + 16(prep) + 8(Outdated Aspect) + 3.114(FD) = 101
Since the notes reduce the infusion to a Chūnin level seal, we know the infusion TN ε [30,69]. Looking at higher end of that spectrum, we get:
Guessing conservatively (TN 50 itself overlaps into jōnin level sealing and implies this was a hard jōnin seal before the discount), we're making around 17 shifts of progress on the first cycle.
The original Infusion TN ε [50,89], with values in the Jiraiya range (TN ε [70,inf)) becoming increasingly unlikely as they approach TN 89.
Assuming 1:1 values, we can estimate our Complexity to be in the same range. Assuming a TN of 70 for a conservative estimation, we'd get nearly a quarter through the research on this first cycle.
In the true worst case scenario, these conservative guesses hold and the calligraphy is hard enough that Hazō has to do the slowest-progress full prep, and needs to do this another threeish times (for a total of 32 days to complete).
In actuality, we're probably getting slightly above 20 progress on the first cycle and will only need another two cycles, meaning a total of 24 days.
If we're a little lucky, the Calligraphy is easy enough that we can cut off a good chunk of our prep and do only around three days like RB (which is really safe on rerolling Calligraphy <= -6). Then we'd need around 8 + 3 + 3 (+3?) = 14 to 17 days.
EDIT: @Paperclipped would we get veterancy on this from, say, Air Dome seals?
Cycle 1 (no FP): Sealing 50 + 24(SSA) + 16(prep) = 90 (Base)
However, we can speed things up with FP. As @Paperclipped discovered and @Inferno Vulpix so eloquently put:
To optimize the results of a single roll (with no regard for anything that happens before or after), the rule is as such: When you have 38 or more FP, reroll anything less than +12. When you have 9 or more FP, reroll anything less than +9. When you have 4 or more FP, reroll anything less than +6. When you have 2 or more FP, reroll anything less than +3. When you have only one FP, reroll anything beneath 0.
Let's say we're willing to use a maximum of 2 FP on this. Meaning our FD odds look like:
We therefore have an expected FD value of +3.114 for a maximum of 2 FP expenditure (on average we're likely to spend much less than that).
So, if we have a few FP available, our cycle one infusion roll looks like:
Sealing 50 + 24(SSA) + 16(prep) + 8(Outdated Aspect) + 3.114(FD) = 101
Since the notes reduce the infusion to a Chūnin level seal, we know the infusion TN ε [30,69]. Looking at higher end of that spectrum, we get:
| TN 40 | 61 overflow | ~20 progress |
| TN 50 | 51 overflow | ~17 progress |
| TN 60 | 41 overflow | ~14 progress |
Guessing conservatively (TN 50 itself overlaps into jōnin level sealing and implies this was a hard jōnin seal before the discount), we're making around 17 shifts of progress on the first cycle.
The original Infusion TN ε [50,89], with values in the Jiraiya range (TN ε [70,inf)) becoming increasingly unlikely as they approach TN 89.
Assuming 1:1 values, we can estimate our Complexity to be in the same range. Assuming a TN of 70 for a conservative estimation, we'd get nearly a quarter through the research on this first cycle.
In the true worst case scenario, these conservative guesses hold and the calligraphy is hard enough that Hazō has to do the slowest-progress full prep, and needs to do this another threeish times (for a total of 32 days to complete).
In actuality, we're probably getting slightly above 20 progress on the first cycle and will only need another two cycles, meaning a total of 24 days.
If we're a little lucky, the Calligraphy is easy enough that we can cut off a good chunk of our prep and do only around three days like RB (which is really safe on rerolling Calligraphy <= -6). Then we'd need around 8 + 3 + 3 (+3?) = 14 to 17 days.
EDIT: @Paperclipped would we get veterancy on this from, say, Air Dome seals?
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Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Or Force Walls or 5SB, which also map somewhat to parts of "Large multi-element barrier seal".
- Location
- The Void
- Pronouns
- She/Her
@Paperclipped @eaglejarl @Velorien
SC XP for Chapter 608
Hazou: 4 * (1.9 - .4 (SSA milds + not wanting a medium)) = 6 XP
Kei: 4*1.7 = 6.8 XP
SC XP for Chapter 608
Hazou: 4 * (1.9 - .4 (SSA milds + not wanting a medium)) = 6 XP
Kei: 4*1.7 = 6.8 XP