Tss. A boy can dream of making Leaf the world's largest sex-cult.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
I think I like Snek Uncle's theology better, which I am confident involves gods and other such things being on an operating table or perhaps a glass jar on the shelf.
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- Italy
Finally found it.
Basically yeah, ninjas can secede from a Clan. Unless you mean "Create a second clan", in that case, no they can't.
No idea about what happened to the Minami-Hyuuga war. Maybe the Hyuuga simply didn't care and started murdering people regardless? When you're the strongest Clan of Leaf, you kinda can do what you want after all.
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Right now the barriers affect all XP instead of making things that fall under the barrier's domain more expensive. So if XP is treated as fungible (for ease of simulation purposes) shouldn't this apply at least partially to skills and skill checks? A programmer who learned to effectively work through migraines also might be good at effectively doing other stuff in other difficult situations (Resolve) and have a steadier hand than usual (calligraphy)
Oh fun! And not wholly unexpected.
Anyway, we're ninja. Just tell her that the Hokage considers Jashinism to be illegal for opposing the local state religion and that all important Clan Heads would likely hate Jashinists. So any kind of sincere Jashinism is a strict Clan secret and Hazō only gets away with it occasionally because Asuma thinks he is manipulating Hidan. Then explain to her what we explained to Hidan, about Uplift's (partial) compatibility with Jashinism. Then tell her that we consider Uplift more important than Jashinism and that Jashin, as powerful and generous and straightforward to appease as he might be, is still just another entity. And that if her loyalty to Jashin is now above her loyalty to the Clan and to Noburi then we have a problem.
On second thought, discuss this development with Noburi first. And then with Mari. Still, Hazō's judgement and involvement matters here. He's Clan Head and Jashin-favored. That both means that Yuno might take us more seriously and also that he has a stake in one of his combat focused special jōnin not defecting or getting executed.
Edit: I agree with the thread sentiment that we should apologize to Yuno post-haste and explain to her why juggling Hidan and Asuma and Shikamaru is really stressful, but no excuse to talk to our sister in law like that when she shares something so important and heartfelt with us. Also talking to Snowflake about it is a great idea (p.s. warn Snowflake beforehand).
Second Edit: We also might need to protect Yuno from getting assassinated like Akane did. She is Gokētsu like Akane, has genin students like Akane, carries seals like Akane, goes out into the wilds like Akane, and now even has something that gives the Thinker Clans a motive to kill her like Akane.
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That would entail ditching the entire concept of skill domains which we've just introduced for what we consider to be good reasons.
More than a sister in law, we might want to make Yuno a friend and an uplift member. It will take a lot of acrobacy for Yuno to fit into Uplift, but she is family/lonely/susceptible to our influence? It feels like we've been neglecting family interactions for a while now. I understand that we have urgent issues, but it might also do a lot of good to Stressed!Hazou-pilot to spend some time with family.
Also, purely for the sake of our comprehension of Jashinism, since we now have access to someone with instinctive understanding of Jashin's murderous will, we might want to dig into what it wants. It sounds like Jashin is the god of murdering psychopaths (uncaring-fascination with people's deaths). Do we have any assumption we want to test through Yuno?
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- He/Him
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- Book Fort
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Ah, poop. Fair, though, thanks!
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If we say voting is closed, it just literally means we won't be tallying a vote and then closing voting. If we are planning to run a tally for something specific, we'll generally say, "Voting is closed except for X" or similar (as with Conclave plans).
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Well, if we can't vote on it, we can at least discuss it while we wait for the next update. What do y'all think?
[] (Goketsu Estate): With a Population Like Ours, We Need a Town Unto Ourselves
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[] (Goketsu Estate): With a Population Like Ours, We Need a Town Unto Ourselves
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- Sanity Check everything (and vet businesses) with Gaku, Mari, and Kei
- Design:
- Hire Shikamaru-recommended architect from NFF (flatters Shikamaru ; spotlights program).
- Blend elements from other compounds (represents our connections within Leaf):
- Uchiha Layout (Hazou's ancestors, highlights bloodline connection to Leaf, helps manage our population of "nearly a thousand" civilians).
- Nara (Kei's marriage to Shikamaru).
- Senju (Jiraiya's teammate, and Noburi's role model).
- Sarutobi, (Jiraiya's sensei).
- Yamanaka (Hazou/Akane's relationship with Ino).
- Aburame (budding business relationship).
- Require architect collaborates with...
- Kagome (maximize trap-setting potential).
- Noburi (medical checks for things like locations of wells, latrines, and other relevant stuff).
- Mari (general I&S defenses for things like guard locations, shift times, etc)
- Kei and Snowflake (sanity checks/optimization/logistics)
- Construction:
- Hire KEI-recommended construction crews from NFF (spotlights program ; increase KEI connection).
- Monitor for corruption.
- Using Earthshaping, fix structural faults in (and hyper-condense) all building materials (increases defensiveness).
- Work with construction crews/engineers to ensure Earthshaped material is safe to use.
- Glass windows (important buildings).
- Densified Corundum windows on Main Building (if approved by Mari/Kei/Snowflake)
- Hire KEI-recommended construction crews from NFF (spotlights program ; increase KEI connection).
- Details
- Akane Seal Bank
- Therapy Building (grief counseling)
- Soothing aesthetics
- Akane Statue/Lamppost here? Visual reminder of Akane's compassion.
- Wooden facades (nod to Leaf's architectural styles)
- Kagome-approved Underground Evac Buildings (civilians)
- Goketsu Event Building
- Huge dragon skeleton carving.
- Relief carvings of all the Summon Clans we've contracted.
- Stone walkways
- Hide Koi pond for FOOM OPSEC training.
- Lampposts (increases visibility at night)
- Marble statues, holding Daybright seals aloft. (Leaf's heroes. Include fallen Goketsu.)
- Without compromising effectiveness, Replicate light placements within Nara compound (Nara Homage)
- Gardens with water features, flowers, and fruit trees (Yamanaka homage, supplements Food Bank)
- Subtly incorporate defenses.
- Examples...
- Benches that're comfortable, but also reliable cover
- Brick Facades over MEWs around garden/park perimeters
- Examples...
- Subtly incorporate defenses.
- ES gold filigree into important buildings (use shapes reminiscent of sealwork)
- ES relief carvings that resemble sealing on surfaces, hiding real seals in the noise.
- Private monument to clan's fallen in the heart of estate (provides solace).
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I guess I'm confused what skill domains actually entail? Like, "combat" can apply to the vast majority of our skills, including skills that don't only apply to combat, like athletics, alertness and resolve. "Sealing" could be just that plus calligraphy, but arguably alertness is also very important, at least when it comes to reaction to sealing failures. And I don't quite know what falls under Kei's "leadership".
My understanding was that while skill domains and skills can share names, their concepts don't directly overlap. As in, skills don't exclusively fall under specific domains and domains aren't gatekept or affecting only certain skills, but instead XP as a whole. So if we were to defeat a very hard encounter using mostly ninjutsu that aren't among out top four highest skills that would still unlock the combat domain barrier and allow us to more easily gather XP which we can then freely put into deceit and underwater basket weaving. So I guess it felt weird that the "sealing" domain is tied to a single skill while the other three domains we have examples of clearly aren't.
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- Texas
This has been stated to be a bad idea so many times. It's another freaking YOUTHSUIT incident waiting to happen.
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
Didn't Mari approve of it when we sanity checked it with her?
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- USA
Mari only approves having a statue in the first quote. Information about norms in the second quote.
I notice that despite asking for feedback, this hasn't been edited to reflect feedback from the last several times you posted it. That's not great.
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The Uchiha have serious baggage and are best know for their traitorous missignin. I believe the QMs explicitly said that modeling things based on their style is a bad plan.
The Jiraiya statue over the gate was a funny idea, not a nessicarialy good one, especially not nude(even with clothes that would require an annoying amount of matanence. And have you ever tried to dress a statue? You often need to sew the clothes on around it.) . The whole point of upgradeing our estate is to make it be more respectable.
Hazou's time is precious. Hazou's SC time is precious. Relying on a lot of ES takes a lot of Hazou's time from seals and training that might otherwise save our lives.
ES contains valuable secrets. Empthisiseing this is not to our advantage. We're already sloppy with its secrecy, this would ruin it.
Corundum windows would make Goketsu gem-creation abilities common knowledge. This would make the precious gems market collapse WAY faster, and cost the clan a staggering amount of money. Hiring aburame to do double-pane glass saves the clan a fortune, and requires less Hazo time, and is nice to Shino
Glass also avoids the issues of leaving multiple blocks of gemstone each worth enough to buy a small village in every house in a semi-public area. These will become wildly known *instantly* and if corundum isn't totally devalued, it will be a constant battle to keep them from being stolen.
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Consider fixeing these known bugs, justifying why they should remain, or otherwise engageing, before asking people to spend effort giving you more feedback.
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Re-read, and this was fairly rude/uncharitable of me, sorry.
I somewhat stand by my point, but there was no reason for me to let my mood get the better of me or be a dick.
Give this feedback a look, and I'll talk over the plan more.
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- The Uchiha Compound is "a city unto itself." We have "nearly a thousand" civilians. We need that layout to effectively house our people. We can minimize the connotation by paying enough homage to Leaf in other areas.
- Nara-esque Shadow Art
- Statues/lampposts of Leaf heroes, holding Daybright seals aloft
- Yamanaka-esque Gardens (gardens are generally important in Leaf architectural styles)
- Minami-esque benches and garden walls
- Wooden Facades on our buildings (again, important in Leaf architectural styles)
- The Senju. Founded Leaf and a nod of respect to Tsunade, whom Noburi (one of our founding members) hopes to emulate.
- The Sarutobi, a nod to a Founding Leaf Clan and highlights our connection to them through Jiraiya's sensei.
- The Akane Seal Bank, which will highlight her sacrifice to Leaf and double down on our contributions to the overall welfare of Leaf
- Summoning Carvings, which will highlight the generational power we've brought to Leaf
- Dragon Carvings. S-rank mission, existential threats we're slaying to help keep Leaf alive
- And more.
- In my opinion, all of the above will counterbalance whatever side-eye we get from copying the Uchiha layout (which, again, we need due to our sheer population size).
- Sure, deleted. I was remembering the in-chapter Mari feedback, not the informational QM post.
The generational benefits outweigh the cost. It takes some of our time, but it creates a magically sturdy Clan Compound made from magically dense/protective materials. Should anything ever happen (Kyuubi gets released, another Collapse, etc), our clan will be far more likely to endure.
Especially when you factor in the Civilian Evac Shelters are going to be Kagome-Optimized and made from these same magically sturdy materials.
50-level slots are precious. Horrifically precious. Far too precious to worry about wasting on a noncombat jutsu.
Asuma was only worried about EM Nuke because it has direct combat applications (Area Denial by making a Zone too hot to remain in), so a jonin might one day raise it to level 40.
But Earthshaping is impossible to use in combat. It's too slow, it's too chakra-intensive, it demands too much of your focus, and you die if run out of chakra while casting it. Anyone who raises it to fill a 50-slot is insane, and more than a few people within the playerbase are mad that we've leveled it this far, let alone that we apparently have to raise it to a level 60-slot for 3D Sealing.
Further, I do think that it's worth pointing out that there are S-rankers who don't have level 70-stats. Most S-rankers aren't S-rank because of their stats. We have QM confirmation on this, and one of the QMs said that Jiraiya/Hiruzen style S-rankers are rare enough to warrant their own abbreviation in the QM Docs "SOSA" (S-Rank on Stats Alone). S-rankers are S-rankers because of their bullshit Stunts. Their shinies. Their tricks and tips that let them be the bullshit that they are.
So it's not as though a most S-rankers can pick up Earthshaping and instantly raise it to 50, and discover unlimited gemstones. Even the "alter density" aspect of Earthshaping is only unlocked at level 40, and that's still an insane amount to level a noncombat jutsu, when that same 40-slot could have been filled with far more useful things (such as socials, chakra reserves, taijutsu/melee/ranged weapons, combat jutsu, medical stats, research-adjacent stats like Calligraphy or Carving, etc).
I'm skeptical that Corundum would expose ES. It's literally a new gemstone that Hazou invented/discovered, himself. It's also clear unless otherwise doped, IIRC, so it would be difficult to tell apart from normal glass.
Additionally, the construction crew could just leave open inserts, and Hazou could fill them in his own time. This would prevent the "giant chunks of gemstone" concern that you have.
I don't mind removing it, though. The defensive properties we'd gain from Corundum Windows aren't so much that it's a hill I'm willing to die on. I'll delete it in the name of cooperation.
Updated Estate Plan Below.
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- Texas
Could leave the Corundum windows in the plan and have Mari/Kei remove it if it's an opsec concern.
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
Sounds good, I'll add it back with the suggested sanity check.
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- UK
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- He/Him
Do you have a citation for the number of civilians? I thought it was lower.
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- Book Fort
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(read: surprised) Oh, this was where I was getting my "nearly a thousand" quote.
Edit: ninja'd/faflec'd
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Do remember that non-canon updates are the ones where we know in advance that what we write isn't going to have a binding effect on future worldbuilding/events, so using them as factual sources is guaranteed to trip you up sooner or later.
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Yeah, my brain got hooked on the "nearly a thousand" line and as the months passed, I'd forgotten that it originally came from a non-canon update.
The "oh" was intended to be read with surprised. Edited the post accordingly.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
[] (Goketsu Estate): Shikamaru was right
- Brutalist utilitarian MEW buildings are actually the best possible buildings.
- Make more MEW buildings. The more brutalist, the better.
- Make sure to arrange them in evenly-spaced rectangular grids.
- Ban painting, decorating, or otherwise beautifying any of the buildings. Such frivolities are only a distraction.
- Use MEW to convert the ground into uniform bare stone. You shouldn't need more than 100 polygons to accurately render the entire estate.