Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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- Texas
I empathize with Kei a lot. She was in a similar situation in which she could not trust what Mari was telling her because there was no way for her to ever know if it was the truth. Intentional or not, Kei and Mari were written with such a dismissive attitude that it's suspicious to me (And quite a few others it seems). They're not going to tell anything because they either a) don't know anything, or b) find it beneficial to keep Hazo in the dark.
I think our efforts are better suited making that hypothetical tracking sealing array and searching for answers ourselves.
I think our efforts are better suited making that hypothetical tracking sealing array and searching for answers ourselves.
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- Europe
[X] [Conclave] The Crimson Sunrise
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
[X] Action Plan: Exam Day
[X] Action Plan: Exam Day (with some more details)
[X] [Conclave] The Crimson Sunrise
[X] Action Plan: Exam Day (with some more details)
[X] [Conclave] The Crimson Sunrise
[X] Action Plan: Let's Run Those Numbers Again
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I voted for this because I'm still confused, and would prefer not to be.
I notice that this plan is also a good choice for people who think that the timeline conspiracy is silly! Letting other posters put their suspicions to rest so we can all move on seems very valuable. And we still get to do the sealing exam!
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I voted for this because I'm still confused, and would prefer not to be.
I notice that this plan is also a good choice for people who think that the timeline conspiracy is silly! Letting other posters put their suspicions to rest so we can all move on seems very valuable. And we still get to do the sealing exam!
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- Location
- Raleigh, NC
.... then the qm awards 1 XP not to vote for your plan.
Alright then.
A few points and then I will leave it be.
There's a definite tension in this quest between simulationism and desire for the story to flow in certain directions/not deal with some details.
For instance, money is quite useful and more or less directly translates to power in the village during peacetime through the mission posting system. A large number of successful organizations have gotten quite far using bribery and other soft power methods.... So it makes sense to maximize money that so you have another tool in your tool box. But this isn't very ninja-ish and can conflict with the desired quest focus.
Likewise, we've been told not to worry about economic stuff and then been bit hard by it (script crisis, 'you have a moderate financial consequence', 'actually your finances have been trending downward').
As my plan laid out, there are quite a number of things we could be doing with the funds that would be pretty darn interesting that we aren't doing... But not very ninja. However, what uplifted our civilization was a bunch of detail minded work, far more than punching (there was punching too).
I suppose what I am saying is that we have enough tools to reverse the population decline right now and that if the qms/other players don't want to engage with the detail work/want uplift to happen in the background.... Then it needs to actually happen in the background?
Both skysliders and toilets have been pointed out specifically as something that won't move forward without our specific intervention. If I may ask, this seems a strange narrative choice? Do you want an update where we work on them? If not, maybe they should actually go somewhere without a specific plan mentioning them?
Likewise, if the projections of humanity's demise had changed, I would think it would be mentioned at least in passing. If not... It seems a little weird to discourage the player base from trying to direct specific action to change it.
Alright then.
A few points and then I will leave it be.
There's a definite tension in this quest between simulationism and desire for the story to flow in certain directions/not deal with some details.
For instance, money is quite useful and more or less directly translates to power in the village during peacetime through the mission posting system. A large number of successful organizations have gotten quite far using bribery and other soft power methods.... So it makes sense to maximize money that so you have another tool in your tool box. But this isn't very ninja-ish and can conflict with the desired quest focus.
Likewise, we've been told not to worry about economic stuff and then been bit hard by it (script crisis, 'you have a moderate financial consequence', 'actually your finances have been trending downward').
As my plan laid out, there are quite a number of things we could be doing with the funds that would be pretty darn interesting that we aren't doing... But not very ninja. However, what uplifted our civilization was a bunch of detail minded work, far more than punching (there was punching too).
I suppose what I am saying is that we have enough tools to reverse the population decline right now and that if the qms/other players don't want to engage with the detail work/want uplift to happen in the background.... Then it needs to actually happen in the background?
Both skysliders and toilets have been pointed out specifically as something that won't move forward without our specific intervention. If I may ask, this seems a strange narrative choice? Do you want an update where we work on them? If not, maybe they should actually go somewhere without a specific plan mentioning them?
Likewise, if the projections of humanity's demise had changed, I would think it would be mentioned at least in passing. If not... It seems a little weird to discourage the player base from trying to direct specific action to change it.
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- USA
Sure, I'll do the tally for the Conclave plan at 10am London time on Sunday.
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- Bronx
[X] Action Plan: Exam Day
[X] Action Plan: Exam Day (with some more details)
[X] [Conclave] The Crimson Sunrise
[X] Action Plan: Exam Day (with some more details)
[X] [Conclave] The Crimson Sunrise
What do you think of leaning harder on the "dragon eyeballs" thing for the benefit of the conclave? The ES gems did come about as a result of the dragon war, so I'd believe we could attach a certain amount of prestige to them by claiming this.
We could offer Pantsa a certain amount in return for publicly endorsing missions to assist in the Dragon War. It could be a way for Pantsa to get rid of problematic Pangolins and Condors, or as a way to cement or encourage loyalty.
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That claim was a deliberate and obvious lie by Hazou to deflect where he sourced them, I think it hurts our narrative to do the same thing with the summons when we want them to actually believe in the Dragons.
Hmm, examples? My thinking is there aren't really any missions that can accomplish anything besides getting a massive army and beating the Dragons to a pulp
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- United States
@Paperclipped any update on those numbers? They kinda are really important to the situation and should really be in the Numbers plan.
@eaglejarl, any thoughts on this?
@eaglejarl, any thoughts on this?
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- Yes.
So claim that the Iron Nerve lets us shit sapphires.
[X] Action Plan: Let's Run Those Numbers Again
Why are we doing this immediately after the clusterfuck that was the last 10 minutes? Why not wait until the next day?
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- Yes.
Personal opinion says that we should establish a more positive rapport with the Rat representative while they are still off-balance, but that's just me.
What does everyone think?
Yes, exactly! I would really like to be able to figure out what is going on and stop arguing about it.
"Using the power of the Iron Nerve, and my extensively trained intestinal muscles, I am able to compress rocks to such a degree—"
"Hazō, you can't be serious."
"Look me in the eye and tell me this is more fantastical than the Rinnegan."
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
We know from Hazou's aside to Gaku that he had some amount of success with the Rats, so I'd be okay with that.
I'm not talking about approaching the Rats at all. I'm talking about doing it immediately after the last update instead of letting the crowd disperse and trying again in private.
I do think the Rats are the logical ones to approach. I just don't think doing it literally right this second is the correct call.
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- USA
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- He/Him
PSA: Voting is extended another 2 hours, to 3pm Eastern.
Projects designed to make money are generally not "punching each other with fireballs" type of fun, but they can be fun. I've been kicking around some interlude ideas related to the NOBURI roads, or maybe trade missions where Hazō's gems are being sold as part of a 'make money / hurt Rock / gather intel' scheme. Meetings, on the other hand, need some seasoning in order to be fun to write. The meeting in chapter 124 where Jiraiya became Hokage was super fun. The one in chapter 243 where Hazō told Jiraiya about ideas on how to retrieve Naruto was fun. The one in chapter 509 where Hazō sold Noburi on the idea of NOBURI was fun.
Meetings (which require seasoning in order to be fun) about monetary projects (which also require seasoning) can work, but in general I would prefer that the meeting get offscreened in favor of taking active steps towards whatever the project is, or else put a hook into it. This is going to benefit the Gōketsu, great. Is it going to hurt someone else such that there are political implications and the characters can vent their feelings about the target? Is it going to transform the world in a specific way? Is it going to forward a specific action item on the family's agenda? Something like that. I haven't looked back to see what your plan was actually proposing so this is intended to share my thinking and not as critique of your plan.
This was delightful! Thank you for writing it. It's got a few places where it wanders from past tense to present tense. If you'll clean those up and put a title on it, I'm happy to threadmark it as an omake.
Done.Hazou, please. With our current build status, each XP brings us that much closer to better social and combat stats.
Welcome! Lovely to have you. How did you find us?
I apologize. I was mostly memeing about the "don't have meetings about meetings" thing and not thinking about the fact that there was actually a plan being discussed, so making the joke meant that I was weighing in on the plan. I really shouldn't have done that.
It's nuanced. When I signed up to write MfD I was expecting to have ninja punching each other with fireballs, with 'build a village' as a framing device around it. That rapidly turned into 'small band of missing-nin', which I was 100% onboard with because fireballs + small cast + high-pressure environment = fun and win. It's not the only way to have fun, but it's a reliable one.
Projects designed to make money are generally not "punching each other with fireballs" type of fun, but they can be fun. I've been kicking around some interlude ideas related to the NOBURI roads, or maybe trade missions where Hazō's gems are being sold as part of a 'make money / hurt Rock / gather intel' scheme. Meetings, on the other hand, need some seasoning in order to be fun to write. The meeting in chapter 124 where Jiraiya became Hokage was super fun. The one in chapter 243 where Hazō told Jiraiya about ideas on how to retrieve Naruto was fun. The one in chapter 509 where Hazō sold Noburi on the idea of NOBURI was fun.
Meetings (which require seasoning in order to be fun) about monetary projects (which also require seasoning) can work, but in general I would prefer that the meeting get offscreened in favor of taking active steps towards whatever the project is, or else put a hook into it. This is going to benefit the Gōketsu, great. Is it going to hurt someone else such that there are political implications and the characters can vent their feelings about the target? Is it going to transform the world in a specific way? Is it going to forward a specific action item on the family's agenda? Something like that. I haven't looked back to see what your plan was actually proposing so this is intended to share my thinking and not as critique of your plan.
I'm sure I'm being a cheese brain, but when did QMs say that toilets and skysliders wouldn't move forward without player intervention?
Yes, you can vote in the seal exam. I've extended voting a couple hours so you have time if people want it.
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Personally I think it would be fine either way. I think there is some cool factor to immediately talking to them after pulling off a rescue mission but next day would be fine too.
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- United States
To confirm, we can vote in the sealing exam for Sunday and continue the conversation we left off on in the following update, when we have confirmation on the numbers?
[x] Action Plan: Exam Day
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- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I feel like this is the third time I've answered this and the first two times were pretty clear, but I'll try again.
This is a legit plan that you may vote for:
[] Spend the entire update on Hazō's 'become a special jōnin in sealing' exam
Any sensible variation on that is fine. (EDIT: The existing plans, which I now see exist, are fine.)
If there's anything that's still unclear, you're going to have to clarify where the issue is.
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- Location
- Liverpool
[X] Inferno Vulpix
[X] Roomba
[X] THE WHOLE THREAD
(Maybe voting for them will summon them from the void).
Sorry for not being around y'all. I was expecting life to be less busy, and it got more busy. Hopefully I'll be able to engage again shortly. Until then, explode some ass (properly targeted, of course).
[X] Roomba
[X] THE WHOLE THREAD
(Maybe voting for them will summon them from the void).
Sorry for not being around y'all. I was expecting life to be less busy, and it got more busy. Hopefully I'll be able to engage again shortly. Until then, explode some ass (properly targeted, of course).