- Location
- Texas
Would it be helpful to the QMs if we gathered the approximate chemical compositions of the various rocks Hazo has access to?
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
- Location
- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Done - IV's plan has been linked.
Yeah, I pushed this to Mari as I want to talk to her about Orochimaru.
I might try to get that in there, but it's wordy. I agree I need to be more clear - it's on the list.
It's been removed.
If someone more familiar with the timeslines than I am can clarify whether our whoopsie with Mari/Shika came before our fireside chat with Asuma?
One atom fissioning is not dangerous. Fissile isotopes are dangerous because the potential for chain reactions.
Can you put in a bullet point:
- Buy 100kg of any easily available ores (copper, tin, lead, silver, gold etc.) on the Leaf market and test ES'ing any metal contained in the ore.
- Location
- Yes.
[X] Action Plan: Building a Better World
Word Count: ???
Word Count: ???
- Sanity check with Mari.
- Asuma:
- Ruka:
- Clarification: Is her punishment for her missteps, or mostly Akane?
- If it's mostly Akane...indefinite exile seems harsh. It's effectively a death sentence.
- The hate must stop somewhere. We're asking, as clan head and aggrieved party, for you to exercise leniency.
- Maybe change it to something else - Long-term mandatory work (till n' fills?) alongside KEI ninja? Like you said, hatred/contempt rarely survives prolonged exposure.
- Reconciliation:
- You're right to have Goketsu and Hagoromo work together.
- Reference Noburi and Neji's relationship then vs. now.
- Suggestions:
- Put our ninja together on long-term Till'n'Fills requiring multiple people. Make the mission something where both parties must contribute cooperatively to succeed.
- Let a neutral third party lead the mission (Sarutobi? Aburame?).
- Arrange for game nights for clan ninja or civilians, and 'coincidentally' make Goketsu and Hagoromo pair off together.
- We're not sure if inviting them to our compound would make them comfortable, given everything (and vice versa). Are there neutral places where this could take place?
- Put our ninja together on long-term Till'n'Fills requiring multiple people. Make the mission something where both parties must contribute cooperatively to succeed.
- You're right to have Goketsu and Hagoromo work together.
- Ruka:
- Cannai:
- Akane's gone/died/missing.
- We aren't handling it well.
- We've been lashing out, at our friends, our pack...even our Alpha.
- We aren't being the leader they need us to be.
- Tell him the story (maintaining OPSEC).
- Don't push any of it onto him.
- Include our emotions, and stay honest even when it hurts.
- Canvass was awesome, thanks for the recommendation.
- Spend some time lying together, grieving.
- Do Earthshaping science.
- Offscreen:
- Gaku: Send someone to get scent markers for Canvass' investigation (the Inuzuka?).
- Sealing Research: Subject to Kagome sanity-check.
- Directional Explosives, then the next Minato seal.
- Eschew prep, use SSA, reroll -9/-12 on Sealing/Calligraphy rolls. 1 day only.
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- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Yup. Thanks.
PSA: Votes for an interlude this weekend are unlikely to be accepted.
This is unlikely to matter, but I figured I'd do some expectation management just in case: As always, if I completely crunk on spoons then I'll do an interlude. I don't think that's likely and if it doesn't happen then I'll be ignoring votes for interludes. If it does happen then it's likely you'll get Honoka or Chosen for the Grave because those are super fluffy and easy, although I'll at least look at interlude votes to get inspiration. If an interlude vote wins and I'm able to write non-fluff then I'll choose whatever action plan seems most interesting, or I'll write whatever I feel like.
- Location
- Texas
Would you happen to have a list of which ones those are? If not, I'm once again asking for the Hivemind's help in gathering a list of what rocks we've gathered.
- Location
- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Action Plan: Building a Better World
I see a less hateful Hazo, I vote for a less hateful Hazo.
(This is not a commitment but it is a prerequisite for my votes for this cycle.)
I see a less hateful Hazo, I vote for a less hateful Hazo.
(This is not a commitment but it is a prerequisite for my votes for this cycle.)
- Location
- USA
I like this policy.
[X] Action Plan: Building a Better World
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
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- Location
- Italy
i have no spoons for planmaking(I tried), i will vote for plans that move the following plotlines: 
-Finally obtain a basement.(Long live ES 50).
- Orochimaru and/or Asuma apprenticeship
-Conquer Leaf Economy with ES
-Aspirational Necromancy Speech/Bringing Yuno into necromancy(Sanity-checked)
-Finally obtain a basement.(Long live ES 50).
- Orochimaru and/or Asuma apprenticeship
-Conquer Leaf Economy with ES
-Aspirational Necromancy Speech/Bringing Yuno into necromancy(Sanity-checked)
- Location
- Yes.
Minor changes to reduce word count, but it's still >300 words when you include the plan + IV's Earthshaping stuff (does this count??).
- Location
- Italy
Are we going to do the "Canvass check the scents of different people/object" + "Propose asking Hidan to Asuma" in another plan later down the line?
- Location
- how about no
I would like to do the former in a future update, but the latter I am more hesitant to do after Shikamaru's reaction. We would have to word it very carefully to avoid Asuma asking us if Hazou is still consumed by grief that Hazou would want to work with someone responsible for butchering civilians for sport (or "religious reasons").
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
I'd like to note that I'm very skeptical that this can work, and same for Asuma's wider idea of forced Gouketsu/Hagoromo interactions. It is in fact entirely possible to interact with someone daily, learning to know them better, and have that only fuel the fires of your irrational hate.
Abstractly speaking, we can take on the framing of trapped priors. Human perception operates on something called predictive processing. Essentially, every time we observe something — like someone greeting you — the picture we get is not purely based on sensory information. Rather, it's a combination of a top-down predictive model (what we expect to see) and bottom-up sensory data (what we actually see). Thus, our biases can literally influence what we see. If we expect someone to dislike us, even an entirely even-toned and friendly greeting would sound hostile to us. Not because our conscious mind misinterprets it, but because the upstream information-processing machinery literally feeds us a biased perspective.
In the worst cases, like severe trauma or depression or political fanatism, these top-down priors become "trapped". You become so utterly convinced that some experience is horrible, or that someone hates you, that there's virtually nothing that can change your mind. Even very strong evidence to the contrary gets twisted on the way to your conscious mind, to instead serve as further evidence supporting your deeply-set belief.
So I expect these mandatory sessions to only make each party even more convinced that the other is vile scum.
In this case, it'd even be boosted by the "mandatory" part. People don't like being manipulated, so Ruka and Gouketsu/Hagoromo will proactively resolve not to let this work, to keep on hating KEI ninja/each other; actively look for evidence of the other's vileness and nurture it.
There are two tweaks that can make it more likely to work:
- Make it more extreme. Send Ruka on a long-term low-risk mission in a group of KEI ninja, such that she's cut off from the other Hagoromo with whom she can commiserate about the terrible mudfeet, and is instead forced to learn to work with and trust them. Wider Gouketsu/Hagoromo... dunno, something similar; maybe some incident in which both clans are endangered and have to help each other out to succeed (and the game is rigged such that defecting is moronic).
- Make it less extreme. Provide Ruka with soft incentives to interact more with KEI ninja/civilians, like bonus pay for till'n'fills or something, and some soft (and not-very-manipulative) incentive to be nice to them, like grading her based on the anonymous reviews from the civilians she interacted with or something. Regarding Gouketsu/Hagoromo, same: find some sphere of activity (trade, etc.) in which the interactions between them can be purely positive, minimize other contact (which has chances to go poorly), then gradually expand the contact surface until they're intermingling more properly.
[X] Action Plan: Building a Better World
I also have two requests. First, add a line about acquiring an assortment of herbs and spices for Canvass to later compare against what she smelled earlier. This can be delegated, and I think won't require a scene, but we do need to get the ball rolling. Canvass doing the comparison later probably does require a scene, but I figure it will probably take a few days to buy a good variety of samples, so that can happen next update.
Second, I believe @FaintlySorcerous suggested that part or all of the compensation the Hagoromo are paying should be contributed to the Team Akane Seal Bank. I think it would be good to suggest this to Asuma because it gives the appearance that the Gōketsu and Hagoromo are working together to improve the survival rate of clanless genin.
IV's science plan already includes a sanity check, and we can't sanity check stuff for the meeting with Asuma Hazō is already in, so I think you can save the wordcount here.
I also have two requests. First, add a line about acquiring an assortment of herbs and spices for Canvass to later compare against what she smelled earlier. This can be delegated, and I think won't require a scene, but we do need to get the ball rolling. Canvass doing the comparison later probably does require a scene, but I figure it will probably take a few days to buy a good variety of samples, so that can happen next update.
Second, I believe @FaintlySorcerous suggested that part or all of the compensation the Hagoromo are paying should be contributed to the Team Akane Seal Bank. I think it would be good to suggest this to Asuma because it gives the appearance that the Gōketsu and Hagoromo are working together to improve the survival rate of clanless genin.
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- how about no
Does this:
Satisfy your desire for comparative ideological analyses?
If not, what would you like me to add? Since we can have ES experimenting separate from our action plan word count I can be more thorough with the Asuma response depending on what people think it needs.
- Location
- United States
No spoons for planmaking but wanted to suggest visiting Cannai as one of the ways to help Hazō relax and grieve
Bonus bonus points. Maybe play something on your flute too.
@eaglejarl, how fun would a scene like this be for you to write?
Bonus points, do some ES while you're with Cannai. Maybe he can give you some extra insight into things, given his deep connection to the Land which you are shaping.
Bonus bonus points. Maybe play something on your flute too.
@eaglejarl, how fun would a scene like this be for you to write?
A few notes: (1) Hazō should try extracting pure ores (e.g. pure magnetite or hematite) out of the granite, not just pure metals, because I'm pretty sure the jutsu doesn't do chemical changes, and (2) Hazō should purchase ores before trying these experiments, so that he knows what to target when earthshaping the granite.
I think you should explicitly mention whether or not we're messing with the mysterious chakra crystals, and if so how much we're willing to tamper with.
Seaing research can take potentially a long time. I think it would be easier for Hazō to attempt to create the minimum viable proof that it's possible to create seals out of stone (e.g. get stone to conduct chakra, or whatever else Hazōpilot in his sealing knowledge decides is demonstrative).
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
Sure, thanks for signal-boosting it.
[X] Action Plan: Refocus and Reform
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
To my knowledge, he's still studying to get the Stunt.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Sounds pretty cool.
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
I'm pretty sure that Hazou will by necessity purchase the ores before he goes off on the science test, because 'full precautions' in a post-EM world means 'far enough away that an EM wouldn't kill Leaf' and that means he's gathering all his supplies ahead of time instead of coming back home between tests.
Nonetheless, I'll adjust the wording to be more metal/ore flexible, and I can put the ore test ahead of the MARI test too.
Good point. I don't have a particular answer myself, but I'm willing to specify one way or the other based on general thread sentiment.
From what I've seen of previous scenes, creating a trivial seal is the minimum viable proof that Hazou tried. Earthshape the stone into the exact same structure as a trivial paper seal, and see if it conducts chakra.