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I am rather surprised that Akane's death didn't increase Hazo's TYS. I'm not sure what could, if not that. The death of his entire family?
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Demotion of Ritsuo, and every jonin in Hagoromo. For them to do hard labor in the form of missions, and the pay goes towards Goketsu primarily, with some towards the KEI. Hagoromo has to give up land and secret jutsu to us. The Hokage orders Ruka to live as a civvy while being isolated, no chakra and hard labor. Some more compensation from the tower in the form of jutsu, Shadow Clone, seal allowance, and money, and maybe adoption tickets.
Ruka possibly gave her the early mission. It's said multiple times that she shouldn't have been out there. According to Asuma, she's done this before, not reporting on people she dislikes and giving out bad missions. This is not OK. This is internal sabotage. It's an enemy no one can prepare against, and it causes unnecessary deaths, reducing an already shortened supply of ninja.
Even if it were not Akane, this would be a crime worth heavy punishment. But it's also Akane, soon to be spec jonin or jonin, someone who helped greatly in the war effort, the 3rd strongest Goketsu, a clan that the Hagoromo was ordered not to mess with. So also a direct disobey of a Hokage order. So the punishment should be even heavier.
But nah, let's keep bootlicking and lying down and taking our whips. It'll pay off one of these days. Just like that good will we keep fostering.
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Thank you for this beautiful chapter, and a big thank you to the QMs for managing this community while we were all collectively breaking apart and losing our minds.
Mademoiselle works (unless you're some official agency because since it means "unmarried" it's viewed as chauvinist to keep it an official title), but Madame has this "brothel matron" implication when we're speaking English that I'm not sure I want to live up to
Why thanks!
Mademoiselle works (unless you're some official agency because since it means "unmarried" it's viewed as chauvinist to keep it an official title), but Madame has this "brothel matron" implication when we're speaking English that I'm not sure I want to live up to
Good work! It's the healthy choice.
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I mean... we are kind of responsible for you all collectively breaking apart and losing your minds.
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Yes, but that's normal, you're writers.
The problem is that ninja are not worth anything to the village once dead, so the Hokage logically does not want to weaken Leaf further for the sake of someone who doesn't matter to it anymore, and he believes he can get away with that because the powerbase behind that someone that does care that they are gone (i.e Goketsu) are not going to give him shit over it, which we are not because the leading plan of the playerbase is always "bend over backwards to not hurt anyone's feelings" every time a vote is called, and it has been that way for years because the influx of new voters is relatively small and the playerbase is largely constant.
If we managed to kill Ritsuo overnight and without a fuss or any civil war, and with our involvement being entirely deniable, would Asuma really raise a fuss? I seriously doubt it. Now, imagine an important Hyuuga died becuse of another Clan while Hiashi was still alive? The Hokage would actually have to do something about that because he wouldn't be able to just ignore them and smile and tell him to eat one for the team.
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If you want, I can go back to planning Ritsuo's death and the disappearance of the entire Hagoromo Clan?
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Facts. If you actually end whatever it is, before Asuma addresses it, then he'll just manage the living ninja it seems. And you're right on the playerbase as well.
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I am similarly surprised.
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Actually, it has and will be added to the sheet. The QMs just needed to finalise the decision. Thanks for the reminder.
@ProperAttorney, I see you've already figured out the next step for boosting SSA. Very impressive.
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(tone: joking) And about that Aura...?
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I mean, Jiraiya said we could make a seal for that, didn't he
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[X] Not-an-Action Plan: Ideas
ASUMA: ...that's a good idea, but it does violate the current rules. Is this going to cut into Tower profit margins?
HAZO: Unlikely. The people using the seal bank probably weren't going to buy explosives. If enough of them survive missions and collect pay, I expect that the Tower would see an increase in profits. Let's be real: the overwhelming majority of people with valid reason to use the bank are clanless genin. There's already an informal system within the KEI - they have a few sealmasters - for distributing explosives to clanless genin taking particularly dangerous mission which happens without the Tower collecting any money. We're just bringing it into the light.
ASUMA: If this leads to the Tower running low on explosives, we have a problem.
HAZO: Explosives that the Tower issues to shinobi for critical missions according to need, regardless of whether they can pay for them? That sounds an awful lot like the goal of the bank, sir. The seal bank will always make its reserves available to the Tower for such use.
ASUMA: This violates the current rules around seal distribution.
HAZO: It does, but the point of the rules is to ensure efficient distribution instead of hoarding, while simultaneously ensuring that sealmasters, homefront shinobi, contribute to the mission of the village. If you don't touch the seal tax, the contribution of the sealmasters stays fixed, and as long as no one abuses the bank, this actually increases the efficiency of distribution.
ASUMA: Hmm. Okay - let's give it a six-month trial and then review it. I'll make sure we include seal bank usage in mission statistics. If that goes well, you'll get the support of the Tower and maybe some funding. If it doesn't, I'm going to mandate that the bank purchase all of the seals it distributes from the Tower.
HAZO: Thank you, sir.
- Asuma:
- ...it almost literally kills us to say this but Ruka's punishment seems like it might be disproportionate. Lifetime exile is effectively execution. Goketsu-Hagoromo relations would probably be improved by making it public that we argued for her sentence being reduced to five years instead of life.
- Can we discuss paying some of the fines the Hagoromo incur into the Team Akane Seal Bank? Most likely, the injured parties are overwhelmingly clanless nin. The Tower can pay the bank in explosive tags, which has the net result of getting more tags into the hands of ninja who need them most while increasing the amount of ready cash the Tower has available.
- Starting with civilians to improve Goketsu-Hagoromo relations is probably the best idea. Do the Hagoromo have initiatives which could benefit from an influx of GED graduates?
- Reo has been learning technique hacking. If there are Hagoromo hackers who he can collaborate with on ninjutsu which would be made available to both clans, that might help defrost things a little.
- Mari and Noburi are probably good candidates if you want to cross-pollinate Goketsu and Hagoromo shinobi. Please don't ask us to do it personally.
- Actually, do the Hagoromo have a liberal faction? There's now an anti-Hazo faction within the Goketsu (we're handling it) but it occurs to us that we might have only met the loudest members of the Hagoromo and that there might be people within the Hagoromo who we could have a drink with.
Seeing a body, probably.
HAZO: I want to give a bunch of seals away to people who need them but can't afford them. I expect this to measurably increase survival rates on missions.
ASUMA: ...that's a good idea, but it does violate the current rules. Is this going to cut into Tower profit margins?
HAZO: Unlikely. The people using the seal bank probably weren't going to buy explosives. If enough of them survive missions and collect pay, I expect that the Tower would see an increase in profits. Let's be real: the overwhelming majority of people with valid reason to use the bank are clanless genin. There's already an informal system within the KEI - they have a few sealmasters - for distributing explosives to clanless genin taking particularly dangerous mission which happens without the Tower collecting any money. We're just bringing it into the light.
ASUMA: If this leads to the Tower running low on explosives, we have a problem.
HAZO: Explosives that the Tower issues to shinobi for critical missions according to need, regardless of whether they can pay for them? That sounds an awful lot like the goal of the bank, sir. The seal bank will always make its reserves available to the Tower for such use.
ASUMA: This violates the current rules around seal distribution.
HAZO: It does, but the point of the rules is to ensure efficient distribution instead of hoarding, while simultaneously ensuring that sealmasters, homefront shinobi, contribute to the mission of the village. If you don't touch the seal tax, the contribution of the sealmasters stays fixed, and as long as no one abuses the bank, this actually increases the efficiency of distribution.
ASUMA: Hmm. Okay - let's give it a six-month trial and then review it. I'll make sure we include seal bank usage in mission statistics. If that goes well, you'll get the support of the Tower and maybe some funding. If it doesn't, I'm going to mandate that the bank purchase all of the seals it distributes from the Tower.
HAZO: Thank you, sir.
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Agony that desires to meet Extinction
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- Adrift between sanity and madness
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Dragon Roar seals are on the list.
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The request to be less bloodthirsty is already accounting for the fact that it's possible to be more bloodthirsty. You, among others, are still making people like T_of_A, FaintlySorcerous, and myself uncomfortable. I sympathize with the fact that you're angry and want to make the Hagoromo hurt, but just because I understand where you're coming from doesn't mean I'm any more okay with vengeance borne of hate.
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My point was that my tone wasn't bloodthirsty at all.
To my eye, the post is dispassionate and argues for a less severe punishment than solitary confinement. The post even outright points out an avenue for reform, rather pushing for something purely punative.
I for one would want real concessions towards implementing Uplift, because hurting the Hagoromo is just petty revenge and that hurts Leaf, which Asuma does not want to do, while making reforms that actually help the village and are just an investment he might be on board with if we ask, because he does want to placate us. We should strive to:
- Improve the life of civilians by asking for till & fill missions to be made more lucrative (simple and easy, helps a lot of people)
- Convince Asuma to assign Leaf manpower to migrate the civilian population from the fringes of Fire Country to the heartland, to long-term allow more chakra-capable civvies to enter the Academy (currently the Tower is missing out on the majority of them because they do not regularly check faraway villages etc and chakra beast attacks and such make mortality in fringe regions far higher than it needs to be). Centralizing the population also makes patrol missions less manpower-heavy and safer, which reduces ninja attrition, which is a big plus in the immediate and not just the long term picture like the rest of it. Plus of course it improves civilian quality of life and life expectancy immensely.
- Convince Asuma to push the Academy graduation age up by 2 years. We are in semi-peacetime, and if Academy students who are young children are given more time for their chakra coils to grow and their skills to improve, bodies to develop and minds to mature, then they are going to be far better ninja in the future and won't stupidly die on easy missions like they currently do, and the village will be stronger for it. In an emergency, Leaf could always mobilize the last and second last year students anyway, so its not like its a big sacrifice, especially when fresh genin are more of an manpower drain (their sensei cannot join very dangerous missions etc), than they are real help. Leaf would not need nearly as many ninja on missions if we did the migration thing anyway, so that can be a package deal.
Stuff like that basically. As for the Hagoromo, we can choose to kill them or not at some point in the future when we are stronger and the Hokage's opinion is not something we have to care about overmuch. Real revenge on them is not something we are going to get by nicely asking their caretaker to please punish them.
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I'm mostly ok with the level of punishment happening. In a perfect world I'd like to have the Yamanaka go hard to find out if Rukia was actually guilty but understand the limits Asuma is under. Sure we should still eventually destroy the Hags and all they represent but that's a long term goal not something that was related to Akane's death. Remember it's not necessary to murder your enemies if they've learned their place after you've drowned them in soup a few times
Also I def think we should follow up with Asuma's offer to mentor us. Hopefully that gets us clan head stunts
Also I def think we should follow up with Asuma's offer to mentor us. Hopefully that gets us clan head stunts
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That is not correct. It takes about 26,800 XP to get an 80 Capstone without accounting for half or double cost stats. With a good assortment of jutsu as well as leveling CR to at least 50 or so I'd expect that not to vary much for most jonin. You can even assume a few thousand to go towards stunts sure but to say "that is not even close" is simply false.
If you meant Mari specifically trying to get a genjutsu capstone, even then, I was only estimating. She could have more than what I proposed, or less. An 80 stat is within the realm of possibility at start, and is DEFINITELY plausible now, which was my point. If she did start with 26550 she'd be at over 32k by now without even accounting for shadow clone.
This estimate is already incorrect. At minimum she bought two other elements (she has wind, water, and lightning.)
This assumes that you sit at X0 numbers which we've been told almost no one else does. Most ninja will be at more "random" placements like 73 or whatever.
You're just proving my point. Elite jonin like Kurenai who have the right matchups can contend with essies like Itachi. It's not a 1:1 comparison due to how rock/paper/scissors the system becomes at high level but my point was to show that SJ can fight jonin on even footing in the right circumstances and EJ can fight essies on even footing in the right circumstances.
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I'm not sure if the words 'fate worse than death' were actually used with Haru but that was the vibe I got.
Again: this will just make her hate Noburi through association, and Asuma will reject it, thinking we're weird given that we're suggesting a punishment we handed out for multiple murders for way less than that.