5.0 xp/day isn't beyond-Itachi tier. Regular ninja are distributed along the 1.0-5.0 range for xp/day, but there is a long tail and outliers do exist. Itachi is an outlier and he very very likely makes significantly more than 5.0 xp/day.
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Due to shinies/lootboxes etc sure, but not in base rate most likely.
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Since becoming a QM paper has commented there's basically no way Itachi had less than 5/day. 1-5 is for average people with 4+ indicating above average talent, top quartile or something. But genius tier can be as much as 10/day at their prime. That's why getting Noburi the apprenticeship is such a big deal, if he gets Tsunade's base rate. Itachi was almost certainly in this upper echelon.
If Itachi was born in the same year as in canon, then he is 22 right now. Even if he graduated the Academy at 1k xp which.. well, seems doubtful, with 5 xp/day he would be 19 250 XP which seems perfectly sufficient to make him an Essie if he has good shinies (keep in mind lootboxes/xp booster skills exist so it'd be more). If he has a 4.5 XP rate but has been accumulating XP since entering the Academy at 8 yo, he'd be at 23 000 XP at the moment, and 6570 which is low chuunin on graduation.
So no, I don't think he necessarily has to have 5 XP / day at base rate, let alone more. He almost certainly has a higher total rate than that if counting everything, sure, but that is besides the point.
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"Important for player threat modeling: this is not correct.
It is best to think of talent (XP/day) on a 0 to 10 scale, with the vast majority (>90%) of ninja between 1 and 5. That said, there are outliers on either side, and the ones on the high end can be very important in the setting.
It would be astonishing if Itachi got less than 5 XP/day, but he also definitely isn't a 10."
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Sure, that's with lootboxes / XP booster jutsu and everything. Its not like the QMs are tracking everything about every character, so the sane thing to do is just lump everything under "talent", but in reality if Itachi gets say 8 XP/day, he probably only has 4.5 - 5 XP in base rate and the rest is bonuses from this and that, similar to us.
Because the alternative interpretation is that Itachi gets ~8 XP a day in base rate, and then has his S-rank influence to secure himself XP shinies and lootboxes, which logically would net him at least as much as Noburi gets, as a constant bonus. Likely more. And I don't think modelling Itachi at like what, ~15 XP/day, is realistic, because then even if he graduated Academy at 1k XP, he'd be at 56k XP by now.
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...no, that is quite literally not what he said at all. I don't know why you're being so insistent about this when the QMs have explicitly said that's not how it works. Greater than 5/day base rates are possible and Itachi is extremely likely to have one, period.
Paper has gone on to independently point out Itachi also probably had access to SC, not that it contributed to his higher-than-five-a-day rate.
The thing is for NPCs "base rate" is total rate for all intents and purposes most likely. Its not like their XP shinies / lootboxes etc are tracked.
So sure, Itachi can have his 8 XP/day or whatever, but in all likelihood that's not his base rate, because as I pointed out above, if it were, then after throwing in all the shinies & lootboxes he'd logically be able to secure, we'd be talking about him having nearly 60k XP at 22 yo, meaning 10 years after the Academy. Orochimaru is 55, which means he's had 43 years, and is probably about as talented. And sure, stagnation and all, but still.
Lets put it this way, even if you stagnated at 30 yo and don't grow one bit after that and graduate at 1k XP, 8.0 XP/day would give you 54k XP. That's from base rate alone. Throw in shinies and you could easily get over 100k. And its highly improbable that 30 yo is anywhere near the stagnation point, after all we know Jiraiya was still XP neutral at 54 yo.
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How do you get 15/day out of a base rate of 8? He doesn't FOOM. Without Noburi you can only really use 3 or so shadow clone blocks a day assuming you want to be empty of chakra. Jiraiya's notes, probably one of the most comprehensive XP lootboxes in the world, is only worth 1500 XP and takes months to read without shadow clone. Wild conjecture to say "somehow you get 100k XP" without establishing how you would actually do so.
You can't write off the single most dominant component of e.g. Kakuzu not having 2 trillion xp to make your position more tenable. S rankers plateau.
Okay, so lets say you get full XP / day until biological prime age (22 yo). Lets say you graduate Academy with 1k XP. Lets say its a perfectly granular decay of your XP rate until Jiraiya's age of 55, after which your XP would start decaying. All of those are sane assumptions, since we know Jiraiya was XP neutral at 55 and since it is reasonable to expect to keep your full XP rate until biological prime age and no PCs have started decaying in theirs yet, with Haru whose sheet we once held being 19 yo, which is quite close, yet showing no signs of decay yet.
This means you get 10 years of your XP rate, plus 16.5 more of those years in total from the next 33 (22-55 yo), with your XP peaking around that point. With a base XP rate of 8.0, that is 78 380 XP. Which is very close to what Jiraiya & Clan Bosses had been estimated at (~80k)
But this is just base XP. The thing is if you are an essie, then you have a disproportionally high ability to secure yourself XP boosting shinies and lootboxes. It would be almost inconceivable to have a lower rate of total / base XP than Noburi (171.4%), who has only recently started benefitting from lootboxes and such at all and has no SC or other benefits. Most likely you would be more competitive with Kei (234.3%).
So you can expect 8 XP/day to peak at a low bound of 134 300 XP and a reasonable average guess of 183 640 XP. That's if the 8 XP/day is the base exp, and not the total. Those are obscene numbers.
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This is literally not what Paper said, but go ahead and continue to directly contradict the QMs. I certainly can't stop you
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Well at least you got something right
Yeah this conversation is pointless.
There is nothing in what Paper said that indicates that he is talking about the *base* XP rate. Rather, it is reasonable to expect that he is talking about the total XP/day bundled together, because NPC characters are not modelled with high enough fidelity that you would track all their shinies and lootboxes and the XP from them. Furthermore, if you did insist on that ~8 XP/day being Itachi's "base" rate only, then you have to add an expected amount of extra XP from lootboxes/training shinies etc, and run into the issue of ~200k XP Jiraiyas / Clan Bosses - who would have much more than that if not for aging XP decay which is already accounted for with that number.
No one would be able to summon a Boss to begin with if they had that much XP, and the ~80k that is expected of them nicely maps to 8.0 XP/day. Which by the way is already less than Keiko has averaged out over her life after the Academy, and she's only done FOOM for a small part of that. And FOOM is just SC training optimized for Resolve, which is something practiced by a lot of Leaf ninja, many of which would logically have 60 Resolve. Then there's clan secrets and stuff.
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I don't believe we've ever stated that Kakuzu doesn't have 2 trillion XP. However, we've also never stated that he doesn't have a very idiosyncratic build. (Notice how he's immortal and his body appears to be woven together? That is all the hint you will receive.)
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We're deliberately not including underwater basketweaving into the build because it would ruin the story by making things too easy
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Why would their be any lootboxes that would benefit Itachi? He's not a researcher of any kind and that's all the loot boxes we've seen. It's not like reading scrolls on punching good let's you punch good. As for shinies from what we've seen those give about 5-10% to niche stats.
This is just kind of ridiclous TBH. It can pretty much only apply to jounin who aren't field nin since if you go on missions you need to have punch good maxed to survive. So that means your capstones should be some combination of attack/athletics/awareness.
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To clarify this argument:
This quote is referring to base rate only.
Yes, with training techniques, ninja can do better than their base rate/talent.
[x] Action Plan: Cousin, Audience, and Partners
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- Asuma suggested trying to make closer connections within Leaf. He's right.
- Ask what that mission was about. If it's an ongoing situation, is there anything we can do to help once our schedule is lighter?
- We might take him up on clan head advice. Any tips for improving our standing in Leaf?
- Try to make friends. Maybe go do something fun (bowling?).
- If Mari/Kei/Cannai/Enma/Pa think the dramatic grand entrance thing is a good idea, research the necessary theatre seals (something Hazou can research within the time-limit) and make preparations.
- Spend time with Ino and Akane.
- Make a game of earthshaping statues of people doing silly poses at their requests?
- Lunch date?
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- Disguise ourselves as cryptids to deliver candy to children, starting a really weird urban legend in the process?
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Can you add Enma and Ma and Pa into that loop?
Adding an intended duration (it's an EJ plan) would be valuable, too.
I'm a little leery about offering Sasuke our personal help given that we're so busy and I don't want to further over-commit. Could we say that Goketsu is happy to help where it can? That includes us.
It's not clear to me that we're still suffering from the play debuff. Asking him how to raise our standing with Leaf generally - can we quote Asuma's request? - might be more useful...insofar as I think that Sasuke has anything useful to say on the topic.
We do not have time to do this. It will take a couple weeks at least, and Enma is leaving Arachnid very soon
What did Asuma request again?
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@MadScientist Blah blah sanity-check with Mari about Sasuke et al blah blah
@MadScientist Blah blah sanity-check with Mari about Sasuke et al blah blah
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