Oh shit, we need Mari there to TLITF people who see the beautiful dragon. How else will Enma even fight? Shit shit shit we need to get her a scroll
Hazou has ears and a tailbone, but wasn't able to cast Dog jutsu. We only got to use Pangolin jutsu because the Pangolins have ancient jutsu-adaption arts (and any attempt at adapting Shadow Clone for Monkey use would run into the problem of "Shadow Clone is way too difficult how did this even get invented in the first place?"). Beyond that, the only clear example we have is Kakashi using Dog clan jutsu he copied with the Sharingan, which Enma (probably) also doesn't have. I suppose we don't know for sure it can't work, but my expectation rn is that Enma would do all the handsigns and swirl the chakra correctly but it just wouldn't work because he's a Monkey and not a Human.
I mean Oro is stagnating as much as Enma would be like you pointed out earlier
Don't think this will work, Hiruzen said translating monkey jutsu was easier than snakes but not easy. SC is one of the single most difficult human jutsu to hack that exist (that we know of) so I don't think getting it to work for Enma is probable
Eeeeehhh, Artificers only really stagnate as much as they've pushed physics to and beyond it's limits.
He's still doing new research sure but his growth in strength wouldn't come from FOOM. Only using one of your proficiencies is not enough to prevent stagnation, gotta maintain all your specialties
I would add the caveat that it seems like he deliberately chose not to, given that the Archaeopteryx boss managed it with powers the Sage would've had. I'm thinking that he kept them around in case the 10 tails came back and pain accidentally tripped the alarms with his ritual combining the tailed beast chakra.
I genuinely think the Human Path is more violent and challenging than the 7th path and that Oro is stagnating less
Who has he struggled against since BotG?
"Hi, Snake Uncle, it's your favourite nephew again. Will you give me shinies and listen to me try to social at you?"
I have some vague recollection of Spider-wife telling us that the Sage couldn't bring himself to kill his creations and instead sealed them away with some help (from his brother?).
I could see that. Either out of misguided sentiment (they were his creations, after all) or because he wanted a backup weapon in case the Tenfold Beast ever reformed... neither are very smart ideas, but then again, Ma and Pa disparage the Sage's name for a reason.
He probably unstagnated during the war. He was in the field a lot
I kind of suspect that his research has him wage high-stakes problems re: sealing, jutsu, wherever his other specialties may lie and he could be just pushing himself out of stagnancy. Also, he doesn't have to follow the same rules as players. He's a narrative kaiju to deal with, some of those are broken. Same with Enma - do we even know if Summon Path denizens have XP?
He was in the field fighting chumps though. I don't think he was ever at risk/pushed further. Rock never fielded an S ranker against him
That we were told. Maybe he dispatched Grandmaster F and we just don't know
I don't think it works this way, you have to push yourself in everything you're good at especially at that level. Me and LM have already discussed how it's not really simulationist to have a Taijutsu capstone and get stuck at 80 but you can have a research capstone and Taijutsu secondary and move past Taijutsu 80 or what have you no problem.
I mean, yes he does. Paper even pointed out a lot of recent rule changes were made just so Oro isn't ridiculously stronger than everyone else.
We do, that's what determines how much they cost to summon, in the rules
Yeah, but his research has him casually wrangle stuff that is a serious threat to anyone but him. When he researches stuff, he gets murderous octocats that pop Naruto clones like it's nothing, and that's only when you go to level "not a lot" out of "a lot".
I must admit that this does sound like he follows close enough rules, though this isn't technically what is stated.
Oh, didn't know that. I remember something from the ancient system where it was their level or number of dice or something, but that's, yeah, the ancient system. I really should get into the meta some day
I don't think he's demonstrated this (for one thing i think he would consider it very stupid to create anything that could actually pose any risk to himself or his research and lab, and for another we didn't see anything close to that magnitude in what we saw of the basement) but I'll grant it's not impossible. I don't think I would grant that it's "probably always" happening though.
Not a perfect system yeah. In Oro's case I think it would be mostly okay, the Elemental stunts, pending changes, allow ninjutsu masters to be pretty proficient with new jutsu. Let's say his highest level earth jutsu is 60, could be higher but maybe not. If he learned ES for 1 level, he would average that with the 60 and already be casting it as a 30. I don't recall if this only applies for attack rolls or not but eh the rules aren't finalized anyways. If he raised it to level 20 he would already be casting it as good as Hazou is right now. But it would be harder for him to get it to 60+ than Hazou, which I guess has to be explained by him not being pushed as hard by training anymore.
We don't have access to his mission history during the war. If he fought one of their essies to a draw that would probably do it. I don't think we know for certain that they never fielded an essie.
