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We should start brainstorming Seals That Would Scare the Normies to research. So far, I've been trying to constrain my research suggestions to "things that don't make the world look different if good sealmasters can do them", but with the added constraint to sealmaster action that they don't show off anything that breaks the setting comes an equally large expansion of research-concept-space for scary things that they wouldn't show off.

Good old Torment Nexus. Got them every time :V

If Noburi doing it isn't possible, should we redouble our effort on studying the barrel seals? If Chakra doesn't need to be tied to meat we can use an infinite amount of it
 
Good old Torment Nexus. Got them every time :V

If Noburi doing it isn't possible, should we redouble our effort on studying the barrel seals? If Chakra doesn't need to be tied to meat we can use an infinite amount of it
The way barrel seals work is that they make 50x Noburi's CR the maximum amount he can contain in his barrel. So don't expect researching them to mean infinite chakra.

I was speculating earlier in the thread that combining Minoto's seal chain with Wakahisa barrel seals might get us something that can contain chakra the way a live Wakahisa does. If that's the case we might be able to fully charge "spare" barrels for him to use. That would be more or less infinite chakra (really just 10000 cp).
 
In light of this update and other information we've received recently, I think our best / only safe option is to close the rift now and wait on necromancy until we're fully prepared. If we loose Jiraiya to the pure land's mental degradation effect... I think that's acceptable. Doing necromancy before we're fully prepared (i.e. no one can challenge our power) seems completely doomed to failure.

AFAICT Kagome's method only works on the unstable rift (since it requires an existing connection that is 'enlarged'), so closing the rift does bring us back to square one. Kagome wouldn't mind, of course.

Yeah, why is it that everything Kei said about the political implications of resurrecting people and everything Kagome said about scaring the normies did not cause the greater ninja community to freak out about Orochimaru? He's just sitting in his lab in Leaf, doing research on who knows what, and no one is concerned?

He doesn't actually use much of that stuff, and the stuff he does produce is not particularly more scary than what Jirayia/Tsunade could do. Looks like Oro follows rule 0.
 
Yeah yeah. I was all upset and dramatic when I left. And now I come crawling back anyway. Whatever. If this Quest wasn't awesome overall I wouldn't have been so upset in December to begin with. And I made my account on SV just to participate, back when we were still deciding on Kei and Noburi's genders. So yeah, I'll eat my silly pride and come back to a good thing.

And I of course apologize for giving my feedback in the form that I did. It definitely wasn't a good way to do it.
A kind and mature apology, and a compliment paid to the recipient? Sir, I'm not sure you're allowed to be on the Internet.

Thank you, and welcome back.

Edit: I looked up how the character sheet keeps track of XP for the first time. I have two questions:
1.) Pangolin Conditioning seems to only apply to XP earned IC while the Yamanaka technique seems to apply to all XP earned. Is there a reason for this difference?
2.) There's a few rare times where OOC XP does give the Pangolin Conditioning bonus. Are those mistakes or are there usually specific reasons for this? The first time was #165423.
Those were indeed mistakes, and they have now been corrected.

Have +1 XP to a PC of your choice as a thank you. If no choice within 24 hours, awarded via 1d4.
 
There's still the Jutsu Audit xp. You, myself, and a few others managed to churn through most of (if not all) of the proposed jutsu. We can funnel some of it towards Noburi, rather than directing it all of it towards Hazou.
The conclave is still weeks away from happening and Noburi is only a handful of XP away so he'll make it in time just from base rate alone, I'm just annoyed I'll have to vote it in a second time :V
 
compiling a powerup list just to make divvying up acquiring them easier

  • Seals
    • Resolve 60 is just around the corner, and with 2 Mild slots, we will be capable of doing 2 SSA researches at once and healing the Milds simultaneously.
    • There's so many of these Seals to make, not really going to address every single one.
      • Minato notes seem like a very promising way to expand everyone's reserves and do other cool things. Riding this out to the end as a priority makes a lot of sense to me.
      • 3D sealing, of course. ES 50 will come before Resolve 60 (IE, in a few weeks), and if it doesn't outright grant purifying stone we really ought to just start testing already-pure stone, as well as the crystal from the cave.
      • Biosealing. Wasn't really worth the diversion before, but since we have MedKnow notes now Hazou can easily get over 30 MedKnow without having to buy more than 10 levels. This could be even more if we get Tsunade's textbook. May also be some Iron-Nerve-Surgery stunts we could look into buying.
      • Besides the apparent chakra diffusion limit, there isn't much Sealing seems limited in doing. Kagome really highlighted that recently. "Targets you based on your hair and blows you up" is something crazier than I think any of us have envisioned in terms of targeting systems. Really opens the door to some crazy shit of our own.
  • Mist Bloodline Secrets
    • Ami will likely need to accompany us (especially if she'll allow us to discreetly FOOM while in Mist). Hazou and Noburi (and maybe Kei) would visit the Kurosawa/Wakahisa to get access to really good bloodline stunts they've had hundreds of years to come up with. Ami probably knows the good Mori secrets already, she'd just need permission to teach Kei (or decide to ignore getting permission)
    • Could also give Noburi insight into which skills he needs to manifest novel abilities with the Vampiric Dew. (Medicine? Technique Hacking? Biosealing for barrel-esque constructs?)
  • Summon Scrolls
    • The more the merrier. Pursuing these will vary by who's available and what the mission looks like.
    • A list of known non-Leaf scroll locations is in the somewhat-outdated "ongoing projects" link in my signature.
  • Summoning Jutsu
    • From start of quest all the way to the present, our best jutsu besides Shadow Clone are still ones we got from the Pangolins (PKH, PCJ, Ghost Scales, etc.) Summon jutsu are fucking good. Now that we have a technique hacker, we can start to adapt these. However, Reo will need some time to grind up his skill so the attempt doesn't kill him. We should probably look into Akane and/or Kei becoming a THer as well (and maybe Hazou too, eventually) so that we can adapt more at once. We already have 4 scrolls, and therefore Summon Clans, to draw from and we are going to pump that number up.
    • The Pangolins were willing to sell PCJ to the people fighting at the Conjura battle, maybe some of the other Summon Clans would be willing to sell to us.
    • Respective Summoners can ask their clans for permission, but we still need THers to help convert the jutsu.
  • Orochimaru
    • He's got a (now literal) Dragon hoard of research, jutsu, and other goodies.
    • Potential bribes:
      • Sealmaster assistance, with the added benefit that Hazou would be downloading whatever Oro is working on without Oro realizing.
      • Dragon Parts. Archaeopteryx and the surrounding waters are probably still teeming with acidic Dragon Parts to collect and trade.
      • Apprenticeship. Need to be careful with this one, but if it led to a much higher base rate of XP or something, it could be worth it...
    • Specific stuff I want from him:
      • Seal designs, rather than notes.
      • Access to the Biosealing Stunt/bioseal designs.
      • Technique Hacking notes.
      • More ninjutsu (though I think it's been expressed he's simply never going to give up the truly good stuff regardless of our offer.)
      • More notable locations like the living cave.
    • Hazou should probably handle him since Hazou is the only Goketsu he doesn't seem to outright despise (and I'm pretty sure he still doesn't like Ami either.)
  • Tsunade
    • Hopefully Noburi's apprenticeship gets him an in with the better medical stuff she's got. I'm not certain she'll ever give up stuff like strength of 100 though.
    • Also, her original textbook which may be worth a bigass chunk of medical xp like Jiraiya's sealing notes are. If we want e.g. Hazou to become not just a biosealer but a good one, we've established SC + notes make getting good at research skills quickly very easy.
    • Noburi or Akane can take care of this since they're on the best terms with her, but Hazou could too I think.
  • Sarutobi
    • Hiruzen was the world's greatest technique hacker and the Professor of Leaf. They probably have a fucking good selection of jutsu.
    • More interestingly to me, they may have original Technique Hacking notes from Hiruzen that we could buy access to (perhaps with our own notes.)
    • Mari or Hazou could take care of this, seems like a straightforward trade deal to me.
  • Uchiha
    • Dragon hoard of centuries of stolen jutsu. Plausibly also Technique Hacking notes since imo it benefits them more than many other clans, having so many jutsu to choose from and suit to their needs.
    • Hazou should cover this imo.
  • Lee
    • 8 Gates, maybe? I don't think it's ever been shown Gai taught him, but it could be worth asking about.
    • Seems like Akane should handle this one, if at all.
  • Chakra Metal
    • Well, none of us really use weapons besides Yuno who already has a magic weapon, but Kei could have some chakra metal kunai I suppose :V
    • I think if we set our mind to it, we could track some down. I'm not sure we have good reason to at the moment though, I think the time and effort is better spent on something that benefits all of us.
  • Resolve Boosts
    • If/when Ami is brought in, we need to ask her and Mari to seek out any Resolve boosters like bloodhounds. This is easily one of the most beneficial things to our cause. Ami can ferret them out in Mist, Mari in Leaf.
    • Hazou or Kagome might be able to make Seals that boost Resolve.
    • Ino is in on the Necromancy conspiracy, we could fill her in on some of the stakes and the need to grow stronger (or we could just acknowledge the world is dangerous in general, Dragons rah rah). A consensual exchange of secrets, even if limited to just Hazou or Hazou/Akane, would be so fucking helpful.
  • Naruto
    • He's sitting on not one, not two, but potentially three different S-Rankers' worth of jutsu and lore. The Minato Bijuu notes we do already have access to... if FTG exists somewhere it would be awesome to learn it (though maybe we could recreate it ourselves...) Hiruzen was his proclaimed grandpa and likely left him many useful things as well. Jiraiya also left him a collection of really good jutsu, like the Lightning Lash for example.
    • Should probably let Mari/Ami/Kei/Noburi/anyone else but Hazou handle this one. Though Hazou should still work to improve their relationship so he's less against the idea of sharing with us.
  • Sage Mode
    • Noburi is on his way...
  • Shadow clone
    • Need this for Noburi at minimum. Getting it for Yuno seems doable. Getting it for Kagome is less likely but maybe down the line...
    • Mari and Ami will likely have to handle this. Maybe Noburi can manage it himself especially if Tsunade backs him up.
 
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compiling a powerup list just to make divvying up acquiring them easier

  • Seals
    • Resolve 60 is just around the corner, and with 2 Mild slots, we will be capable of doing 2 SSA researches at once and healing the Milds simultaneously.
    • There's so many of these Seals to make, not really going to address every single one.
      • Minato notes seem like a very promising way to expand everyone's reserves and do other cool things. Riding this out to the end as a priority makes a lot of sense to me.
      • 3D sealing, of course. ES 50 will come before Resolve 60 (IE, in a few weeks), and if it doesn't outright grant purifying stone we really ought to just start testing already-pure stone, as well as the crystal from the cave.
      • Biosealing. Wasn't really worth the diversion before, but since we have MedKnow notes now Hazou can easily get over 30 MedKnow without having to buy more than 10 levels. This could be even more if we get Tsunade's textbook. May also be some Iron-Nerve-Surgery stunts we could look into buying.
      • Besides the apparent chakra diffusion limit, there isn't much Sealing seems limited in doing. Kagome really highlighted that recently. "Targets you based on your hair and blows you up" is something crazier than I think any of us have envisioned in terms of targeting systems. Really opens the door to some crazy shit of our own.
  • Mist Bloodline Secrets
    • Ami will likely need to accompany us (especially if she'll allow us to discreetly FOOM while in Mist). Hazou and Noburi (and maybe Kei) would visit the Kurosawa/Wakahisa to get access to really good bloodline stunts they've had hundreds of years to come up with. Ami probably knows the good Mori secrets already, she'd just need permission to teach Kei (or decide to ignore getting permission)
    • Could also give Noburi insight into which skills he needs to manifest novel abilities with the Vampiric Dew. (Medicine? Technique Hacking? Biosealing for barrel-esque constructs?)
  • Summon Scrolls
    • The more the merrier. Pursuing these will vary by who's available and what the mission looks like.
    • A list of known non-Leaf scroll locations is in the somewhat-outdated "ongoing projects" link in my signature.
  • Summoning Jutsu
    • From start of quest all the way to the present, our best jutsu besides Shadow Clone are still ones we got from the Pangolins (PKH, PCJ, Ghost Scales, etc.) Summon jutsu are fucking good. Now that we have a technique hacker, we can start to adapt these. However, Reo will need some time to grind up his skill so the attempt doesn't kill him. We should probably look into Akane and/or Kei becoming a THer as well (and maybe Hazou too, eventually) so that we can adapt more at once. We already have 4 scrolls, and therefore Summon Clans, to draw from and we are going to pump that number up.
    • The Pangolins were willing to sell PCJ to the people fighting at the Conjura battle, maybe some of the other Summon Clans would be willing to sell to us.
    • Respective Summoners can ask their clans for permission, but we still need THers to help convert the jutsu.
  • Orochimaru
    • He's got a (now literal) Dragon hoard of research, jutsu, and other goodies.
    • Potential bribes:
      • Sealmaster assistance, with the added benefit that Hazou would be downloading whatever Oro is working on without Oro realizing.
      • Dragon Parts. Archaeopteryx and the surrounding waters are probably still teeming with acidic Dragon Parts to collect and trade.
      • Apprenticeship. Need to be careful with this one, but if it led to a much higher base rate of XP or something, it could be worth it...
    • Specific stuff I want from him:
      • Seal designs, rather than notes.
      • Access to the Biosealing Stunt/bioseal designs.
      • Technique Hacking notes.
      • More ninjutsu (though I think it's been expressed he's simply never going to give up the truly good stuff regardless of our offer.)
      • More notable locations like the living cave.
    • Hazou should probably handle him since Hazou is the only Goketsu he doesn't seem to outright despise (and I'm pretty sure he still doesn't like Ami either.)
  • Tsunade
    • Hopefully Noburi's apprenticeship gets him an in with the better medical stuff she's got. I'm not certain she'll ever give up stuff like strength of 100 though.
    • Also, her original textbook which may be worth a bigass chunk of medical xp like Jiraiya's sealing notes are. If we want e.g. Hazou to become not just a biosealer but a good one, we've established SC + notes make getting good at research skills quickly very easy.
    • Noburi or Akane can take care of this since they're on the best terms with her, but Hazou could too I think.
  • Sarutobi
    • Hiruzen was the world's greatest technique hacker and the Professor of Leaf. They probably have a fucking good selection of jutsu.
    • More interestingly to me, they may have original Technique Hacking notes from Hiruzen that we could buy access to (perhaps with our own notes.)
    • Mari or Hazou could take care of this, seems like a straightforward trade deal to me.
  • Uchiha
    • Dragon hoard of centuries of stolen jutsu. Plausibly also Technique Hacking notes since imo it benefits them more than many other clans, having so many jutsu to choose from and suit to their needs.
    • Hazou should cover this imo.
  • Lee
    • 8 Gates, maybe? I don't think it's ever been shown Gai taught him, but it could be worth asking about.
    • Seems like Akane should handle this one, if at all.
  • Chakra Metal
    • Well, none of us really use weapons besides Yuno who already has a magic weapon, but Kei could have some chakra metal kunai I suppose :V
    • I think if we set our mind to it, we could track some down. I'm not sure we have good reason to at the moment though, I think the time and effort is better spent on something that benefits all of us.
  • Resolve Boosts
    • If/when Ami is brought in, we need to ask her and Mari to seek out any Resolve boosters like bloodhounds. This is easily one of the most beneficial things to our cause. Ami can ferret them out in Mist, Mari in Leaf.
    • Hazou or Kagome might be able to make Seals that boost Resolve.
    • Ino is in on the Necromancy conspiracy, we could fill her in on some of the stakes and the need to grow stronger (or we could just acknowledge the world is dangerous in general, Dragons rah rah). A consensual exchange of secrets, even if limited to just Hazou or Hazou/Akane, would be so fucking helpful.
  • Naruto
    • He's sitting on not one, not two, but potentially three different S-Rankers' worth of jutsu and lore. The Minato Bijuu notes we do already have access to... if FTG exists somewhere it would be awesome to learn it (though maybe we could recreate it ourselves...) Hiruzen was his proclaimed grandpa and likely left him many useful things as well. Jiraiya also left him a collection of really good jutsu, like the Lightning Lash for example.
    • Should probably let Mari/Ami/Kei/Noburi/anyone else but Hazou handle this one. Though Hazou should still work to improve their relationship so he's less against the idea of sharing with us.
  • Sage Mode
    • Noburi is on his way...
I swear we had a browser extension for this. What was it? Something something Kagome...
 
Will vote for plans that have Hazou setting up backup plans (including, but not limited to, outsourcing Close Rift Seal to Kagome).
 
Apprenticeship. Need to be careful with this one, but if it led to a much higher base rate of XP or something, it could be worth it...
Unironically, let Orochimaru bioseal us. Orochumaru had a no-sleep bioseal that he was willing to implant within Hazou. No sleep would open up an additional 8 hours for FOOM. We rejected it last time because of the potential danger, but... with the Dragons and the Akatsuki staring us down, it might be worth the risk.
 
Unironically, let Orochimaru bioseal us. Orochumaru had a no-sleep bioseal that he was willing to implant within Hazou. No sleep would open up an additional 8 hours for FOOM. We rejected it last time because of the potential danger, but... with the Dragons and the Akatsuki staring us down, it might be worth the risk.

I would say there a lot of other shinies to obtain before letting Orochimaru do invasive surgery on us, you know, the guy that would absolutely kill us if he found out how our bloodline works. :V
 
Unironically, let Orochimaru bioseal us. Orochumaru had a no-sleep bioseal that he was willing to implant within Hazou. No sleep would open up an additional 8 hours for FOOM. We rejected it last time because of the potential danger, but... with the Dragons and the Akatsuki staring us down, it might be worth the risk.
The reason we decided not to last time is because Kagome would never fully trust Hazou again, which would still be the case imo.

That said we should buy that seal design and do it ourselves
 
Unironically, let Orochimaru bioseal us. Orochumaru had a no-sleep bioseal that he was willing to implant within Hazou. No sleep would open up an additional 8 hours for FOOM. We rejected it last time because of the potential danger, but... with the Dragons and the Akatsuki staring us down, it might be worth the risk.

The extra time that we'd get wouldn't effect FOOM very much. We're limited by the number of clone hours we can take without taking consequences. Resolve not time is the limiting factor
 
The extra time that we'd get wouldn't effect FOOM very much. We're limited by the number of clone hours we can take without taking consequences. Resolve not time is the limiting factor
The extra time would let us read more notes though (or do trainings similar to ACE if they exist)

I'll give it to Noburi in the hopes that I fix the training plan I apparently just broke.
It does not but the effort is appreciated
 
Those were indeed mistakes, and they have now been corrected.
Do you use a different sheet? Or is there some cookie interference on my side? Because it doesn't seem fixed, at least not for Hazou.

Edit: OOC XP seems mostly correct for Noburi now though. I found only a few small mistake. Chapters 495, 502 and 504 IC XP aren't being counted for PCJ. Gonna check Kei next.
 
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Hazou is getting PCJ XP incorrectly at: #165423, #166927, #167556, #170217 and right above, #170495, #170516, #171575, #172895 and right below.
He might be missing PCJ XP (if there weren't specific reasons for the jutsu not being active) for: Chapter 494, Chapter 495, Chapter 502, Chapter 504 and Chapter 561.
His Yamanaka XP formula on square X3 also still uses the wrong formula. It currently uses [=SUM(T464:T) * 0.05] which translates into a 5% bonus for all XP since chapter 352, be it OOC or IC. One quick fix to make it IC XP only would be to base it off of the Pangolin XP instead, like so: [=SUM(U464:U) * 0.5] (so half of the Pangolin bonus since chapter 352). The only issue with that is that there's apparently been exactly two chapters where the PCJ broke and wasn't used for the whole chapter. Or I think it was two. One explicitly mentions it and the next one is right after. Chapters 534 and 535. Currently that amounts to between 0.1 and 0.2 Yamanaka XP, but it might theoretically become more at a later date. At least the reverse, where PCJ is active but the Yamanaka bonus isn't seems like a very unlikely situation.

Edit: Ah no. PCJ doesn't multiply SC XP (which makes sense since SCs don't send muscle toning to the original), but the Yamanaka technique should. That's an easy fix though because SC XP is separately tracked at the side. So just make it [=SUM(U464:U) * 0.5 + AB10 * 0.05].

Kei doesn't have any incorrect PCJ XP. Like everyone else she does have the same Yamanaka XP issue though.

Noburi I already mentioned above. I checked again, but he has no PCJ errors other than the aforementioned three chapters. @Shrooms That's +3.1 PCJ XP for a total of 14 spendable XP, meaning that with the 207 general XP we are still 4 short. :oops:

Finally Akane. She gets:
1 PCJ XP too much, marked under "Help reconstructing the timeline".
0.1 too little in chapter 474.
1.1 too little in chapter 502
0.5 too little in chapter 504.
2x0.1 too little in chapter 534 and 535 (although Hazou lost his PCJ here, so that might have affected her too).

That is all. Haru is locked after all. No idea what you did for PCJ and Yamanaka XP for the other Gōketsu ninja that you track XP for.
 
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If the QMs don't decide to keep it as it is after all, I cost us a lot of Yamanaka XP. Less for Hazou though because negative letter G XP is also treated as OOC XP.

Still, fair is fair.
 
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