Hazou downloaded the seal so shouldn't a benefit in looking again. I'd be down for him making a better replica though

Yeah there isn't much point in going up to the seal again.

If you wanted to look for 'pure' stone to see if we can work on 3D sealing with better raw material I'd be down for that, though.

We're mostly on the same page. I mostly just want to have Hazō take another crack at figuring out how it works. Possibly making another replica or trying to figure out some other seals that could interact with it. Since we the greatest seal master alive now we should have more insight than when we where a scrub
 
We still need Kagome to get the chance to see it but we haven't brainstormed how to do so since he got a Scroll, besides commissioning a telescope from the Aburame a while ago
 
Did Hazou ever try to ES the Great Seal? My expectation is that it can affect the rock of the butte and not that of the Seal itself.
I'd like to finish work on the two-sided portal-opening seal before we do this, and figure out what skills we need to level for Hazo to be able to create paper/ink so he can scribe it from the Nakara path, where he will absolutely end up after trying this.
 
Hazou downloaded the seal so shouldn't a benefit in looking again. I'd be down for him making a better replica though
If IN downloads a new copy because of more cracks, could get an idea of the speed of degradation. Worth making a replica for Kumokogo?
Did Hazou ever try to ES the Great Seal? My expectation is that it can affect the rock of the butte and not that of the Seal itself.
Maybe using ES with some kind of buff would be strong enough to protect the Great Seal from EM. Chakra misbehaves near the seal.
You have something in mind?
All the things. Asuma would not want a nuke in the hands of someone incompetent or malicious. Not taking an interest in your dictator's nuke doctrine sends signals of big blindspots or indifference. Important to be + show we are invested in his choices and able to loyally inform his opinions without crossing a line. Imagining Asuma as Kakashi, does not feel like he is a fortress of unchanging principles. Cannot give up without trying.

If Asuma is convinced the EM effect is easy to TH from scratch, radical nonproliferation policies have less upside. Not chopping Akane's fingers or silencing the Gōketsu. What does Asuma want? What do we want? How can we trade fairly?
  • Insurance Akane will not EM Leaf.
    • Someone from the clan with no summon scroll always away from home.
    • Her mom gets an easy job on the Sarutobi estate?
      • Safe. Insurance but does not work as blackmail.
  • Sharing secrets.
    • Less for Asuma to worry about if he has a better idea of how we spend our time.
    • Sharing FOOM or MARS is bad. Gives better threat assessment of Akane.
    • Weigh pros + cons telling Asuma Kei and Mari figured out EM.
    • Minato seal chain progress.
      • No useful applications yet.
      • Was one research failure with no external effects.
    • Gauge his interest in working together on long term city improvements with ES.
    • Necromancy.
      • Was it a mistake like EM not following official channels here?
      • Could try a limited reveal.
        • What if we shared we think we can bring back Jiraiya by tapping into what revived the others after Battle of the Gods?
        • Maybe others who died there with more work?
        • Less confident. Maybe the 3rd if the 'chakra echoes' followed Akatsuki or jinchuriki that far back?
  • Fill Shikamaru's role in strategy while EM is secret from him.
 
If IN downloads a new copy because of more cracks, could get an idea of the speed of degradation. Worth making a replica for Kumokogo?
We're kneecapped FOOM-wise if we re-download.

I imagine Kumokogo would have asked for a replica if she wanted one, and it would be very hard to do without Noburi present.

It's not a bad idea but I'm not sure it's viable right now.
 
Asuma say Mari good at short term relationships. Not building long term ones. Which makes me worried about her blackmailing the merchant council fella blowing up in future
 
How long for FOOM to do that?
Any incidents until then could delay it. EM incident already delayed Akane FOOM

Edit: also even s-rank jiraiya still put some effort into placating the merchant council as kage
 
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FOOM gives us good stats. S-rankers have (as per WOG) much more than just big stats going for them. FOOM will carry us a good deal, but we'll need more than just FOOM if we want to be "the new Orochimaru."
 
FOOM gives us good stats. S-rankers have (as per WOG) much more than just big stats going for them. FOOM will carry us a good deal, but we'll need more than just FOOM if we want to be "the new Orochimaru."

I feel like I'm being gaslit here. We are the greatest seal master in the world. Sealing lets you research all the essie level tricks. You add those tricks on to Mari who has the stats and we are there. The problems are already solved
 
FOOM gives us good stats. S-rankers have (as per WOG) much more than just big stats going for them. FOOM will carry us a good deal, but we'll need more than just FOOM if we want to be "the new Orochimaru."
As a group I think we could equal an s ranker, though. Akane as point defense/strategic threat, Kei covering fire/battlefield control alongside Hazō, with Mari and Noburi as our S rank trick. Chakra drain is esoteric enough to hit a lot of S rankers, and Mari can enable it with her genjutsu speciality.

Post foom I can easily imagine us taking out Hidan, for example, even with no other tricks. Akane and Kei prevent him from getting his ritual off, Mari fishes for Genjutsu to sap his chakra and buy time for Noburi to do the same. Hazō is redundant so he uses talk-no-jutsu.

Kill Akane, and Mari kills Fire's economy, and probably Naruto.
Kill Mari, and Akane kills Fire.
Piss us off at all and Noburi stops empowering Summon Rushes.

It's not quite as good as actual S rank power, but we've got most of the bases covered, both in personal and political power.
 
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Brain scrambling bad. Would be nice to give Kumokogo some indication of progress. Kagome summons a trusted Arachnid to look at the home replica?
She'll just be taking our word for it no matter what, so I don't think it matters if she has a pretty sculpture to look at.
I feel like I'm being gaslit here. We are the greatest seal master in the world. Sealing lets you research all the essie level tricks. You add those tricks on to Mari who has the stats and we are there. The problems are already solved
Kind overconfident there. I bet Sasori has 80ish Sealing, but Haozu is probably in the top 10. SSA means we research slower than someone with the same eff Sealing tho. Since they can roll every day.

I don't disagree with your point. None of the other top sealmasters have figured out 3-D seals and Hazou is about to
 
Is Hazou's sealing high than that of his mentor?
Our Sealing has gone way up in the last couple IC months. We dove head-first into the Sealing notes that Jiraiya and Orochimaru gave us, dedicating multiple Shadow Clones to the task just to read them faster.

Kagome has the same notes too, and one heck of a head start, but we've got another big advantage over Kagome: Summoning Scroll Acolyte. With that stunt and our quantity of TYS points, we get an absolutely absurd +22 to our Sealing level.

So, like, let's say with the notes and other XP he's been gaining, Kagome hit Sealing 60 recently. (We don't know what his stat's at, but that's plausible). To surpass Kagome we'd just need to hit Sealing 39 because 39 + 22 = 61. This would take a sizeable amount of time for Hazou to reach in normal circumstances, given how expensive Sealing is, but the Sealing notes give Hazou a lot more XP than that. In fact, they've given enough for him to hit base 47 Sealing, effective level 69 after SSA, and we aren't even done.

This is why our Calligraphy has fallen behind. Our Sealing shot up from 'Chuunin-tier' to 'better than Kagome, encroaching on Jiraiya' in the blink of an eye. Fortunately, Calligraphy is regular cost and only needs to be 2/3 of our Sealing score, but we've still found ourselves in a little bit of a lurch where we can't even test the limits of our Sealing abilities because we physically can't draw seals that complex yet.
 
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