Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

Lysbeth Succubus · Nov 26, 2022

eaglejarl said:
This was vastly too awesome not to be rewarded.

Vielen Dank

faflec · Nov 26, 2022

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FaintlySorcerous · Nov 26, 2022

faflec said:
Possible/alternative avenue to pursue on the matter (pardon the means of description): Would it be appropriate for us to offer to buy or trade for jutsu the prospective adopted ninja know from the KEI as a separate or even prerequisite deal to adoption? This would allow us to bypass the "KEI doesn't want to lose certain ninjutsu" issue, and further help us on future deals as the prerequisite jutsu have already been accounted for?

We'd need to swap clan secret for clan secret. The value of a KEI jutsu is substantial: they're all clan secrets and we can't purchase those with much other than other secrets.

eaglejarl · Nov 26, 2022

To be clear, the 'being awesome' (which, bleh, I screwed up ANOTHER TIME) is because you played the entertainment activity, chose words carefully rather than write '-' etc, and you did brilliantly with it. 

Inferno Vulpix · Nov 26, 2022

faflec said:
Possible/alternative avenue to pursue on the matter (pardon the means of description): Would it be appropriate for us to offer to buy or trade for jutsu the prospective adopted ninja know from the KEI as a separate or even prerequisite deal to adoption? This would allow us to bypass the "KEI doesn't want to lose certain ninjutsu" issue, and further help us on future deals as the prerequisite jutsu have already been accounted for?

Potentially, but I feel like as a protocol this would be restrictive to us. As FaintlySorcerous says, these jutsu won't come cheap and we'd have to purchase all of them whenever we adopt someone.

It's certainly an option, but I don't feel the need to codify it in the current plan, which already specifies the option of jutsu deals separate from the adoption itself. If the terms are acceptable as they are, that would be preferable imo.

faflec · Nov 26, 2022

FaintlySorcerous said:
We'd need to swap clan secret for clan secret. The value of a KEI jutsu is substantial: they're all clan secrets and we can't purchase those with much other than other secrets.

Paperclipped said:
Mari shrugged. "Look at the new chūnin we adopted. Each of them learned ninjutsu from the KEI's exchange program, and they were good ninjutsu. Not amazing ninjutsu, like I'm sure the Uchiha and the Sarutobi have up their sleeves, but better than the average clanless ninja gets access to. Because of KEI's size, there's almost certainly way more opportunity to pick ninjutsu that suit your fighting style, enhance your strengths, or cover your weaknesses in a way that clanless ninja used to just roll the dice on. They learned these ninjutsu on the condition that they wouldn't share it, enforced by the various sanctions that KEI dreamed up after the case of Fu Kōhei.

My read of the KEI jutsu issue was that the sheer volume of their jutsu library allowed them to pick and choose whatever ninjutsu they needed, which compensated for their non-awesome nature. They're decent but not Clan-Secret level, IMO. If we trade, say, the ninjutsu we received from Orochimaru, which aren't totally secret ninjutsu but are still pretty reasonably powerful...

At the worst, we can ask Mari and she can say it's a dumb idea and we should not pursue this line of discussion with the KEI.

Inferno Vulpix said:
Potentially, but I feel like as a protocol this would be restrictive to us. As FaintlySorcerous says, these jutsu won't come cheap and we'd have to purchase all of them whenever we adopt someone.

It's certainly an option, but I don't feel the need to codify it in the current plan, which already specifies the option of jutsu deals separate from the adoption itself. If the terms are acceptable as they are, that would be preferable imo.

Fair.

roobee · Nov 26, 2022

Paperclipped said:
He'd found that chakra diffusion and ambient noise almost completely wiped out any evidence of distant chakra effects, but they couldn't wipe it out completely

learn -> minami lens, nob water, 7th return

eaglejarl said:
Attached notes indicate these were given to Orochimaru by individuals and clans in payment for services rendered.

them -> learn oro

Veedrac said:
Experiments with stacked EM (with CO₂ to precool, since direct stacks don't work) are an excellent idea, since they probably do not sustain, but still allow the team to learn the effect.

before

roobee said:
It looks like the same thing to me? I just used more words to be explicit, while you left a lot of it implicit. And that I mentioned storage seals, which we can now ignore to make them identical. Was there any other differences?

"Indirect stacking of EM must also have been a pain in your neck so I'll take "EM doesn't stack" at face value like it should have been in the first place."

eaglejarl said:
Noted. I'm working on the update now and don't have time to engage.

many talk in talk. hard copy.

eaglejarl said:
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but hard talk more. 2 post mod no like.

[X] XP to Spend Akane: None

Paperclipped said:
He knew he wouldn't make any breakthroughs today, but his ability to sense and control stone with the technique improved with every day of focused practice, and he could tell he was getting close. Just a few days more…

@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
weaker before time?

Paperclipped · Nov 26, 2022

Lysbeth Succubus said:
Thank you and sorry a- (almost had me there) once more. Uuuuhm I hardly keep up with the meta, as a new-ish addition to the hivemind and thousands of pa- of screens filled with players' ar- with bickers and debates to read thro- to read top to bottom for the teeniest idea of what is really happeni- in the works, (involved-)player-side.
People seem to like it when Hazō trains. As I understand it, Hazō needs XP to train, and if he has eno- if he has sufficient XP, he saves the world, potentially several worlds.
That seems important. I like persistent worlds. I would not like them to be eaten by a... a monster that eats concepts and adventurers.
Hazō is an important person.
If Orochimaru turns out to be Hazō and steals the XP, I suppose we simply were not paranoid en- DAMMIT. Paranoid in adequate quality.

Edit: now armed with other players' knowle- know-how, most kindly provided, I believe Noburi the yet Shadowless should benefit from this boon. If it is possible at all to retract my first belief, of course. Wouldn't want to cause problems.

Oneiros said:
Let Noburi have it

Added, however perhaps Noburi is not the Team Uplift member who needs it most at the moment.

Shrooms said:
Does this say that wind armor blocks this entirely, or doesn't block it at all?

Wind armor would block it entirely, but Hazou has never heard of wind armor.

cog-nito said:
if Akane and one of her clones both attack with Sundance on the same enemy at the same time.

Is that treated as two seperate attacks? Or as more +2 to attack fodder?

Two separate attacks. Shadow Clones take their actions on a completely separate turn.

FaintlySorcerous said:
Seems like it would benefit us to remember that this was a failure: there will be some consequence. We can't skip it entirely. And that's fine. We can improve our penmanship so it's less likely to happen as we continue in the quest.

It may be worth it to note that some consequences of an infusion failure could simply be that Hazou dies or is maimed with no save, or with a save at a TN that he cannot possibly make. The art of sealcraft (and especially seal research) is meant to be incredibly risky, and this is a rather mild result of an infusion failure by comparison to the space of possibilities.

Lysbeth Succubus · Nov 26, 2022

roobee said:
learn -> minami lens, nob water, 7th return

them -> learn oro

before

many talk in talk. hard copy.

weaker before time?

Not to be rude or throw the stone or any idea in that vein, but I did not understand what you meant by any of these lines. Frankly the only line I did understand was the one about how the doubleposts are frowned upon. Is this ultra-specific player talk, or affected by the seal failure-related XP loss risks? A mix of both perhaps?

roobee · Nov 26, 2022

Lysbeth Succubus said:
ultra-specific player talk

what is

Lysbeth Succubus said:
affected by the seal failure-related XP loss risks?

yes

Lysbeth Succubus said:
A mix of both perhaps?

maybe

roobee said:
learn -> minami lens, nob water, 7th return

far. learn.

roobee said:
them -> learn oro

trade oro. live.

EM. follow quote.

roobee said:
weaker before time?

stone 30 time.

eaglejarl · Nov 26, 2022

roobee said:
learn -> minami lens, nob water, 7th return

them -> learn oro

before

many talk in talk. hard copy.

but hard talk more. 2 post mod no like.

[X] XP to Spend Akane: None

@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
weaker before time?

I have no idea what any of this means. Expand, please? If you're worried about the forbidden letter, you can take it to Discord and I'll summarize it here afterwards.

Oneiros · Nov 26, 2022

Paperclipped said:
Added, though perhaps Noburi is not the Team Uplift member who needs it most at the moment.

Wind armor would block it entirely, but Hazou has never heard of wind armor.

Two separate attacks. Shadow Clones take their actions on a completely separate turn.

It may be worth it to note that some consequences of an infusion failure could simply be that Hazou dies or is maimed with no save, or with a save at a TN that he cannot possibly make. The art of sealcraft (and especially seal research) is meant to be incredibly risky, and this is a rather mild result of an infusion failure by comparison to the space of possibilities.

To keep up with our seal theory we actually need the ability to write in the 60's or so. Def could be a capstone skill in the future if we want to mostly be safe

roobee · Nov 26, 2022

eaglejarl said:
If you're worried about the forbidden letter, you can take it to Discord and I'll summarize it here afterwards.

here fun.

eaglejarl said:
Expand, please?

chakra. i talk after over.

they trade oro. we talk they. we learn oro. we trade oro. no know? i talk after over

EM. know quote, no more. no know? i talk after over

before: we say stone 29. hazou feel stone power. hazou say stone 30.
now: we say stone 39. hazou feel stone power. feel less before?
no know? i say more can.

Lysbeth Succubus · Nov 26, 2022

Oneiros said:
To keep up with our seal theory we actually need the ability to write in the 60's or so. Def could be a capstone skill in the future if we want to mostly be safe

If we want to mostly be safe, unfortunately, that should mean do not seal, at all. Our dear uncle and seal-sensei did warn us. Boom, squish, with explodey brains in your mouth - which means you either are infected with the mad cow or access information you aren't supposed to have. Loosely paraphrased from both our dear jumpy uncle and one sydney scoville junior.
That said, I fully back the idea that it is necessary for Hazō to learn how to write more precisely. "Death by bad letter shapes" really, really does not behoove the ninja with the thickest Iron Nerve blood there is.

Velorien · Nov 26, 2022

Lysbeth Succubus said:
Boom, squish, with explodey brains in your mouth - which means you either are infected with the mad cow or access information you aren't supposed to have.

I assume this was a reference to mad cow disease, but all I can see is Hazō suddenly possessed by the spirit of a mad cow, lupchanzen-style. It has a demented grin.

Lysbeth Succubus · Nov 26, 2022

Velorien said:
I assume this was a reference to mad cow disease, but all I can see is Hazō suddenly possessed by the spirit of a mad cow, lupchanzen-style. It has a demented grin.

The full reference (with the Bad Letter) is here: Grrl Power #503 – Manic loop – Grrl Power (the true name is [Bad Letter]rrl power, 503rd... series of panels that work as one. Of course, there are 502 of those before, so if spoilers aren't an experience you wish, this will be either time-expensive or quickly dismissed)

Lysbeth Succubus · Nov 26, 2022

Lysbeth Succubus said:
The full reference (with the Bad Letter) is here: Grrl Power #503 – Manic loop – Grrl Power (the true name is [Bad Letter]rrl power, 503rd... series of panels that work as one. Of course, there are 502 of those before, so if spoilers aren't an experience you wish, this will be either time-expensive or quickly dismissed)

Oh, so tinyurl links develop automatically here. I swear by Jashin and the Five that I typed tinyurl dot com slash rrlpower ;w;

roobee · Nov 26, 2022

I cheat

eaglejarl said:
Author's Note: The plan called for Hazō to train Stoneshaping up to level 29 and stop. When he reached level 29 he could tell that he was right on the cusp of a breakthrough and he kept pushing up to level 30

Paperclipped said:
He knew he wouldn't make any breakthroughs today, but his ability to sense and control stone with the technique improved with every day of focused practice, and he could tell he was getting close. Just a few days more…

29. 39.
sorry. 38. no 39. i no know before.

faflec said:
[X] Training Hazou: Earthshaping
Earthshaping 38 [276 XP]

I un-ask. no ask.

roobee · Nov 26, 2022

new. to hive. no QM.
stone: 38 -> 39.
then hazou feel stone. how weak?

roobee · Nov 26, 2022

if ES 50. no 40. how much days? start today.

coldcutconvict · Nov 26, 2022

If more than OOC, real brain stutters extend to story. Not short chapters bad. Many days stutter. If penalty XP taken from base XP, SC blocks have less value.

[X] Action Plan: In Which Hazou Lives Up To His Reputation
[X] Trainin' Plan Hazou: None

Sir Stompy · Nov 26, 2022

[X] Action Plan: In Which Hazou Lives Up To His Reputation

FaintlySorcerous · Nov 26, 2022

Inferno Vulpix said:
If a KEI jutsu somehow ends up as purely in Hazou's clan, we will teach it back to the KEI.

I think that the replacement of the word 'purely' with 'solely' is clearer: I had to think to understand what was meant by what was written.

[X] Action Plan: In Which Hazou Lives Up To His Reputation

redzonejoe · Nov 26, 2022

roobee, you're hilarious. keep speak cavemen bud, much fun, no letter use. is nice.

eaglejarl · Nov 26, 2022

Lysbeth Succubus said:
Oh, so tinyurl links develop automatically here. I swear by Jashin and the Five that I typed tinyurl dot com slash rrlpower ;w;

No worries. We are not penalizing for what you did not type.

roobee said:
new. to hive. no QM.
stone: 38 -> 39.
then hazou feel stone. how weak?

stone not weak. stone strong. stone solid. jewel-named person weird. weird, and with poor elocution.

roobee said:
if ES 50. no 40. how much days? start today.

hrair days

Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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