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I have a few questions regarding stuff we had in the works. They might have been answered before:
  • Is Hazou dealing with a way to get a Snake ambassador to Arachnid territory off screen or did we essentially forget putting it in our plans?
  • What ever happened to Ami telling the Kurosawa (and other Mist sealmasters?) about the Great Seal?
  • What news are there from the whole AMITY thing? Has Asuma made any major announcements? Last I remember was Ami saying that she couldn't share stuff that Asuma wanted to do first, but I don't know if I forgot the chapter where that happened or if it hasn't happened (on screen? at all?)
  • I remember that Ami has some inkling about FOOM, but I don't remember in which chapter that conversation happened. Could someone remind me?
 
Unfortunately, we have no guarantee that the chakra in chakra ink (is chakra ink a thing here, or is it just 'high quality' ink? I might be remembering another fic) will not get sucked away in the afterlife.
Chakra ink is a thing, yes. Every sealmaster learns how to make it, as shown in chapter 122:

Hazō sat down crosslegged, pulling out the lump of brass that he used for infusing. As he had done a thousand times over the last year he buffed the lump on the leather of his belt to be sure that it was free of any dirt, meanwhile reciting the short nonsense rhyme that served to clear the chakra pathways. He dipped the brass in the ink and blew gently across the surface, pushing the tiniest pulse of chakra through his fingertips and into the ink...which utterly failed to absorb it.
 
Why not just do the right seal and ask them to activate it after death?
I don't think we could bioseal it correctly anytime soon?

The easy solution is to just use minato-style sealing so that we can do some sealing real quick on the other side, and then do it ourselves.

Plus, y'know. I'm pretty sure EJ would love to write Hazou being that badass.

What, like set up the seal on our side and then kill ourselves to do it on the other? If there was any way to know if dying near the Rift would put us in the ballpark of the Rift on the other side, I'd vote for that plan instantly.

Hey @eaglejarl

Ponwog on what would happen if Hazou killed himself at the rift site? Would it be instant game over, or would we get a chance to open the rift?

I would be shocked if it were that easy, but that'd be nice.
 
What, like set up the seal on our side and then kill ourselves to do it on the other? If there was any way to know if dying near the Rift would put us in the ballpark of the Rift on the other side, I'd vote for that plan instantly.
We might be able to make sure of that through blackboxed sealing shenanigans.

At which point I, too, am 100% down for this.
 
We might be able to make sure of that through blackboxed sealing shenanigans.

At which point I, too, am 100% down for this.
I feel like we might need to handle that kind of thing carefully? Because, like, Suicide is Bad. In context it's not really the same thing considering the goals are more like a one-way plane trip, but I have a feeling an ungraceful handling by us and/or the QMs could attract Mod attention.
 
I feel like we might need to handle that kind of thing carefully? Because, like, Suicide is Bad. In context it's not really the same thing considering the goals are more like a one-way plane trip, but I have a feeling an ungraceful handling by us and/or the QMs could attract Mod attention.
Oh yeah absolutely. That's why I'm suggesting doing our homework beforehand so it's clear that it's not that.
 
Hey @eaglejarl

Ponwog on what would happen if Hazou killed himself at the rift site? Would it be instant game over, or would we get a chance to open the rift?
This is purely ponwog and I'm not speaking for the other two QMs. Also, this is an off-the-cuff response and it's possible that I've forgotten something or etc etc and would therefore have to walk this back were I reminded.

First, I promised @faflec that if Hazō dies I will do my best to keep writing the quest. I don't know how @Velorien and @Paperclipped feel about it or what they would want to do.

If Hazō dies right now, I don't think there is a plausible path to him bringing himself back. Therefore, I would talk with the other QMs and see if they were sticking around. Assuming they were, I would suggest that we change viewpoint characters to someone else and keep working with the Human Path as the focus. I'm not sure if I would push for an existing character or let the players go through character creation again. At this precise moment I don't have a strong preference on that so would happily go along with what other QMs and players wanted. Maybe that changes later and I develop a preference after thinking about it.

If Hazō died at a time when there was a plausible chance of him resurrecting himself, I would discuss it with the other QMs and advocate that we keep the POV with Hazō in the afterlife. Failing that, see above.

"A plausible chance of Hazō resurrecting himself" would require at a minimum that Hazō be able to produce the requisite seal while on the other side and that there be some method that allows Kagome and Hazō to coordinate to reopen the rift while being on opposite sides of the afterlife. Note: I'm saying that these are necessary conditions, not sufficient ones. I haven't thought the details out.


[EDIT: Note that I say 'requisite seal' as an assumption. Maybe there's some jutsu or magic widget or whatever, but I'm assuming it will be a seal because that's the toolkit that Hazō has.]
 
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Oh yeah absolutely. That's why I'm suggesting doing our homework beforehand so it's clear that it's not that.
For sure. I'm just worried there's no way to escape that 'going to the other side' is unaliving ourselves, so a Mod might take a strict stance on that regardless of if we plan on coming right back. I'm also mildly worried about the trauma Hazou is going to have to face doing that kind of thing to himself. Definitely could be a dark and haunting moment rather than a triumphant leap into the unknown that we're planning it to be.

[something something chakra ink]

Since Jiraiya has chakra, we should be able to infuse it ourselves if we head over. Along with the requisite paper, we might have a shot at the 'both sides' plan.

"A plausible chance of Hazō resurrecting himself" would require at a minimum that Hazō be able to produce the requisite seal while on the other side and that there be some method that allows Kagome and Hazō to coordinate to reopen the rift while being on opposite sides of the afterlife. Note: I'm saying that these are necessary conditions, not sufficient ones. I haven't thought the details out.

Alright, looks like we've got our Minimum Viable Product. (Ignore declaration if we've had that for a bit)
 
Dying For The Purposes of Never Dying Again
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"A plausible chance of Hazō resurrecting himself"

Minimum Viable Plan requirements, PONWOG of EJ;​
"A plausible chance of Hazō resurrecting himself" would require at a minimum that Hazō be able to produce the requisite seal while on the other side and that there be some method that allows Kagome and Hazō to coordinate to reopen the rift while being on opposite sides of the afterlife. Note: I'm saying that these are necessary conditions, not sufficient ones. I haven't thought the details out.

DO WE HAVE: The Requisite Seal
Signs point to No, currently, but we're working on it.

DO WE HAVE: The Ability to make the Seal on the Other Side
Yes? Current hypotheses indicate that the dead have their stuff on them in some capacity when they cross over, and that the dead have chakra. If we (or any given sealmaster) dies with ink on us/them, they should be able to infuse it. So if we can reliably get paper and ink to the afterlife, we've satisfied this condition.

DO WE HAVE: Some Method of Coordination
No, although how to satisfy this will be more clear once we've got the seal. If we can keep one side's seal active for a while we might be able to ask Kagome to try and break open the Rift once every {x} hours/days. Finding a way to communicate across the afterlife reliably is definitely a goal, however.

Considerations:​
DO WE HAVE: Food? Water?
Judging by the fact Jiraiya is still around without presumably having scavenged for food and water, we might not need to worry about it.

DO WE HAVE: A way to reliably tell where we literally go when we die?
Besides the Naraka path in general, not yet. Ideal for the smooth execution of the plan, but not strictly required.

DO WE HAVE: A good explanation for our loved ones on why we should go ourselves?
Because I certainly don't.
 
I suggest a radio seal, one that transmit ruidamental radio signal, and somehow communicate with Jiraiya the method for constructing said radio seal.
 
I wonder:

Our hypothesized method of rift-making might still work independent of which planes we try to open a rift between. If so, we would be able to test our rift-seal using the Summon Realm.

Edit: Depending on what coordination method we come up with (inter planar scrying is probably a bit optimistic, but our weird communion ritual actually kinda managed that so maybe we can replicate it with seals) we might be able to test that using the Summon Realm too.
 
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Looking forward to when we rescue him and discover that it's just a chakra fungus that ate his soul and is slowly excreting his memories while multiplying inside him and so he bursts into spores the moment he is touched by another human being and now we're carrying this plague but it does not matter because it already escaped containment when we made the rift

Edit: but we do not know this so we decide to stay on the other side to avoid bringing it but Mari breaks and tries to escape and the fight carries over to this side and we kill her but now this side is contaminated so we have to ask Akane to EM nuke us along with the work camp full of civilians we established to be able to work more efficiently on the rescue
 
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Orochimaru and deidara could also be helpful
Gonna have to disagree there. I want Orochimaru as far away from this project as I can get him, and I don't want Akatsuki to be aware of this until Jiraiya's back and at his full power.
we should also get the nara's approval for tearing open a dimensional rift. in case it's a big risk.
We don't need their permission for anything. If they wanted us to know what a big risk was with knowledge they have and don't, they've had plenty of opportunities to share such knowledge with us. Now, I'm perfectly willing to tell them when we're approaching the point when we make the attempt (say, a month out from it), but that's more out of courtesy to Shikamaru asking us to do so before we upend the world a third time than anything.
 
If only there were some way for a sealmaster to get to the afterlife in order to make the necessary seal...
You know, we technically have a sealmaster on the other side already. All we'd need would be some way of sending Jiraiya instructions on how to make it, and hey, he can't die in a way that sticks right now, so who cares if the seal fails?

Well, aside from all of the fates worse than death.
 
I wonder:

Our hypothesized method of rift-making might still work independent of which planes we try to open a rift between. If so, we would be able to test our rift-seal using the Summon Realm.

Edit: Depending on what coordination method we come up with (inter planar scrying is probably a bit optimistic, but our weird communion ritual actually kinda managed that so maybe we can replicate it with seals) we might be able to test that using the Summon Realm too.
Thaaat's a very interesting idea. We need a rift scar to make that work, but it's plausible that something like this is left (maybe for a few seconds) in the wake of a Summoning Scroll's activation! We can, say, meet up with another summoner on the Seventh Path, coordinate with someone on the Human Path, then reverse-summon while the second summoner and the human-path person simultaneously activate rift-opening seals! We'll probably get maimed again because it'll destablilize the channel just as we're passing through it (so maybe we use a dying-of-old-age-or-terminal-illness Summon as the test subject instead? (carrying some physical object because otherwise end-to-end physical travel might not be taking place?)), but this might work!

Thoughts?
Orochimaru and deidara could also be helpful
They can, but choose not to be. Very rude of them, really.
 
What ever happened to Ami telling the Kurosawa (and other Mist sealmasters?) about the Great Seal?
I can answer this one at least: "jack shit"

The afterlife doesn't naturally drain chakra, there are creatures living in the afterlife that drain chakra
No, Hazou was drained while he was there and his seals were drained to the point of malfunctioning. Unless there's an invisible creature haunting Hazou in that scene I guess

Jiraiya may have chakra (if indeed he isn't just delusional and vaguely remembering he noticed himself losing chakra years ago) from managing to regenerate faster than he drains, maybe even from Sage Mode if there's nature chakra there. Not like he's got much else to do but sit around anyways
 
Probably need some kind of shielding/faraday cage type seal first that stops the drain. Because even coordination and communication fail if the corresponding seals fail.
 
Probably need some kind of shielding/faraday cage type seal first that stops the drain. Because even coordination and communication fail if the corresponding seals fail.
Another option is routing all c&c through the 7th path. It already provides away to dimension hop it theoretically should work even in hell. So we just meet up with Noburi there and he can refill our chakra
 
Probably need some kind of shielding/faraday cage type seal first that stops the drain. Because even coordination and communication fail if the corresponding seals fail.
Hm... that's something we can probably work on right now. See if we can make a seal that blocks wakahisa draining, and then we can rework it once we know what we're working with on the other side.
 
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