Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Once again I just barge in after the fact and criticize plan details too late to make a difference... But did people actually read that article before voting for a plan that just included such a thing? The conditions in that town are very specific. And I don't see the Gokētsu compound ever looking like that, even if the Wakahisa Koi are "only" as sensitive as real Koi.
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@ people who are smarter than me and/or good at math, should we have a clone work on grinding through the sealing notes? Another option would be to have a clone work on new sealing projects. If anyone has suggestions or other critiques of the plan let me know!
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I believe Paper was looking it over, I think it's most efficient to do something along the lines of having a clone read the notes every other day. Gotta weigh hitting the level cap early and then not being able to read the notes for a while, or read them slower so it aligns with the pyramid expanding. In the first instance we get to a local max quicker, but in the second we get past that cap sooner/are slightly further ahead in FOOM
I want to say he's making some effortposts soon so just keep an eye out for that
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I saw I had this in my quotes and wasn't sure if you ever got an answer.
The entire Goketsu, including Noburi, started training ACE on the day that Noburi finished his first round of ACE training. April 16th.
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Remember when Team Uplift first rejoined Leaf, and Kagome, worried about Kei sneaking off with a Leaf ninja (Tenten) several times per week, secretly followed them? Kagome discovered that Kei and Tenten were dating, and he kept it a secret? He knew before Hazou did.
Kagome is an absolute dear, and a big old softie. He's pretty awesome.
Kagome is an absolute dear, and a big old softie. He's pretty awesome.
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Hey people, if you don't see my shitposts and deep analyses (... shitposts it is) in the coming days, it's normal, I'm not dead or dying. I'm at round two of trying for the super hard competitive exam France has for people who want to be teachers (there's a regular one and a super hard one and I was dumb enough to sign up for the one that pays better) and I need the time to work and/or cry because this is a genuinely harrowing experience. I'll be done in three days, at which point I might still be disappeared for a week or so while I try to recover enough spoons to be functional. Lots of love to all of you, and take my word on it: don't try for complex academical achievements if you've got untreated crippling ADHD!
It's unclear if you plan to involve the whole skyslider team into the hot air balloon research or split a member or two to start a new research team.
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Do you have suggestions?
I do! The thematically appropriate way would be to attach paper lanterns to the currently working prototype and waste hours upon hours of research time on creating a barely working planeglobe thing that rises on an oil fire, then drops the glider for a single use fast transport.
The boring effective way would be to earthshape charcoal into micrometer thin vacuoles to form a foam that is lighter than air and just hang stuff from it ourselves. Diamond age tech jump, skip the duck.
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Should also see if Snowflake wants to go
EDIT: actually, I feel like I remember her saying she was sad all her memories of missions are actually Kei's and that she was never really a missing nin with the rest of us
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Got both of these added
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
I wish you fortitude then. Exams are harrowing regardless of ADHD, this must be hell.
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[X] Action Plan: Brother, Sister
Word count: <300
I have some plan suggestions/feedback. I'm not sure if they're areas where we Just Disagree, hence my own plan above, but it's broadly similar to yours and I'd be happy to pull it if we wind up in alignment.
I have some reservations about how we're handling 'hey, might be going on a mission soon'. Harumitsu could quite plausibly be feeling neglected, like we're shirking our duty, or maybe Lord Hag has been dripping poison in his ear. He had a funny reaction when we did research instead of teaching him earlier.
I didn't include the Harumitsu section in mine because Vel said it would be the most difficult section to write (of my three plan fragments). That said, I'm invested in seeing this and plan on voting for it in EJ's next update if it doesn't happen this time around.
I have some reservations about taking Hazo, Kei, Noburi, Akane, and Yuno out on a mission which would probably last a week, minimum. As well as being a huge use of manpower probably subject to Tower approval (effectively two specJ and three chuunin, one of whom is the linchpin of some of Leaf's most effective techniques) we're also leaving ourselves without a good way to get in touch with the clan - Kagome is great and can relay messages, but being able to phone home to Noburi or Kei is a different kettle of fish.
Asking Kei and Snowflake what they think about mission composition would be good IMO - it's possible this is what you mean to be doing but right now it sounds (to me) like telling her who'll be there, not asking.
Re: the hot air balloons, my plan above lays out how I would handle 'hey, can you take on another project'.
I'd like to see us approach the Kei/Snowflake interaction a little differently but changing the Harumitsu section to something that addresses the concern of 'hey, he's plausibly feeling a little neglected, let's take a very soft approach' would get my vote.
Word count: <300
- Sanity-check w/Mari.
- Noburi:
- We were tired. We're sorry. You're our brother. We love you. Are we cool?
- We see your options as…
- Earth element - positives: MARI/PEA, reputation w/Toads, negatives: big investment, not unique (Summons/other ninja).
- Medicine - positives: relatively unique, Uplift-aligned, notes available, negatives: backline work, doesn't increase survivability.
- Jutsu - positives: survivability, reputation w/Toads, negatives: 'normal' option, limited Water jutsu in Leaf.
- Resolve - positives: critical for SC, negatives: limited other applications.
- Something else?
- We're trying to present a balanced picture - it's all important.
- We support whatever you choose.
- Have you decided?
- Do you want help deciding? (Advice? Proposed builds?)
- Kei/Snowflake:
- We'd like to pursue the Squirrel Scroll.
- Lay out what we know: bloody clothes, rough time/place, anything else.
- Do the Nara know anything else? Intel on the Eastern Continent meeting? General thoughts?
- We'd love you to come with us.
- It's been a while since we've gotten to spend any time beyond planning meetings, damage control, or twisting Shikamaru's arm. That's fun (sometimes) but we miss spending time with you. The mission would be a nice opportunity to relive some of the old days, with less terror.
- Is there anything we can do to make that possible/attractive?
- Team composition:
- Akane - ideally, we want the scroll for her.
- You - wax eloquently about her brilliance until she makes us stop.
- Snowflake - do the same thing as above. Come adventuring!
- Who else - Yuno? Noburi? Haru?
Naruto? Ami?Hired chuunin? Others?
- We'd like to pursue the Squirrel Scroll.
- Misc.:
- Ask the leader of the Skyslider team if they have a subordinate who could head another research project without crippling Skyslider research.
- If so, give them a few people from the Skyslider team, hire a few folks, and pursue hot air balloons.
- Animal oil for fuel? Spider silk (waxed) for balloons?
- Let Yuno know.
- Ask the leader of the Skyslider team if they have a subordinate who could head another research project without crippling Skyslider research.
I have some plan suggestions/feedback. I'm not sure if they're areas where we Just Disagree, hence my own plan above, but it's broadly similar to yours and I'd be happy to pull it if we wind up in alignment.
The first and third subpoints seem good, no notes. The second subpoint is a little unclear to me - are we reflecting internally, out loud, something else? Are we trying to accomplish something, or just thinking? Being a bit more explicit is rarely unwelcome and plausibly makes life easier from a QM perspective.
I have some reservations about how we're handling 'hey, might be going on a mission soon'. Harumitsu could quite plausibly be feeling neglected, like we're shirking our duty, or maybe Lord Hag has been dripping poison in his ear. He had a funny reaction when we did research instead of teaching him earlier.
I'd prefer that we try to talk to him a little about how he feels about his instruction and then ask him how he'd feel about studying under Kagome if we wind up going on a mission. IMO the little social niceties will go a long way in maintaining our relationship with him especially given that we've plausibly neglected him a little recently. For good reason, sure, but emotions and reason run at right angles.
- Ask Harumitsu how he's feeling about his training.
- Demand honesty: introduce CCnJ and get into a social fight if he's hiding things.
- Sealmasters need to communicate clearly and honestly or else people turn inside out.
- Listen to his feelings. After he's had some space to vent, apologize where appropriate.
- Let Harumitsu know we might have some missions coming up soon. How would he feel about Kagome as an instructor while we're absent?
- Be clear that we view Harumitsu's instruction as both a professional priority (clan head and sealmaster) and a personal privilege. Teaching him is a joy and we wouldn't trade it for anything.
I didn't include the Harumitsu section in mine because Vel said it would be the most difficult section to write (of my three plan fragments). That said, I'm invested in seeing this and plan on voting for it in EJ's next update if it doesn't happen this time around.
I don't think that we need to sell Kei on our great mission track record. Instead, maybe ask if she wants to come, and what we can do (if anything) to make it possible.
I have some reservations about taking Hazo, Kei, Noburi, Akane, and Yuno out on a mission which would probably last a week, minimum. As well as being a huge use of manpower probably subject to Tower approval (effectively two specJ and three chuunin, one of whom is the linchpin of some of Leaf's most effective techniques) we're also leaving ourselves without a good way to get in touch with the clan - Kagome is great and can relay messages, but being able to phone home to Noburi or Kei is a different kettle of fish.
Asking Kei and Snowflake what they think about mission composition would be good IMO - it's possible this is what you mean to be doing but right now it sounds (to me) like telling her who'll be there, not asking.
Re: the hot air balloons, my plan above lays out how I would handle 'hey, can you take on another project'.
I'd like to see us approach the Kei/Snowflake interaction a little differently but changing the Harumitsu section to something that addresses the concern of 'hey, he's plausibly feeling a little neglected, let's take a very soft approach' would get my vote.
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[X] Action Plan: Brother, Sister
Not satisfied by this. Could have the wrong impression of training, but feels like a life-and-death decision. If an Olympic coach was helping an athlete decide how to tailor training for events they wanted to compete in, asking what they want to do is not helping them come to an informed decision. Have to talk about tradeoffs of specializing in one event or multiple, and damage to the body after retirement.
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Training is absolutely a life-and-death decision. However, Noburi understands this and HazoPilot saw fit to tell him, 'hey, pick one'.
IMO our relationship with Noburi is not that of coach and coached, but (with respect to training) consultant and client. Noburi is happy with the work we're doing but if we can't fit his needs he'll either do it himself or hire someone else. It doesn't matter how good we are at our job if our client is unhappy with our work.
I suspect that Noburi will give us a single direction to pursue and we'll go after that. All of the options are pretty reasonable - Earth Element is probably the least reasonable but he can pick up PEA so it isn't a complete waste.
I also don't know that this element of training is a life-and-death decision: it might determine the course of his life, but it's unlikely that picking up Earth element vs. studying medicine more aggressively will get him killed - in the Really Dangerous situations, neither will be of particular utility compared to whatever the core survival stats are. We aren't planning on ignoring those.
That said, I'm open to suggestions if you can articulate something actionable.
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Good luck! Take your time, we look forward to seeing you when you return.
It feels like the 'hey, pick one' framing was voted in and was part of the reason the first conversation did not go well. Asking Noburi to pick something without any input is cold. It sends a message of indifference to a big decision in his life, the opposite side of the spectrum to revoking his choice. Hazō should share his preferences but make it clear that his biggest preference is Noburi's health and happiness. Sharing preferences is hard because not all voters agree. Can only articulate that the elephant in the room is SC. Not mentioning it or the obstacles to getting it for Noburi after he worked for one year on ACE feels like too important of an omission, if not deceptive.
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[X] Action plan: A little bit of fluff
[X] Action Plan: Brother, Sister
[X] Action plan: A little bit of fluff
[X] Interlude: Goketsu Chunin Introduction
[X] Action plan: A little bit of fluff
[X] Interlude: Goketsu Chunin Introduction
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[X] Action Plan: Brother, Sister
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This is mostly just for the vibes. I want Hazou to reflect on how his life is very different from how it used to be. It's just mostly a prompt for Vel to play with without any explicit goal.
Most of this critique and suggestion just doesn't align with the vibe of the scene in my plan. We are having some nice Instructor student bonding where we are showing our trust in Harumitsu. Immediately pivoting to a tell me how I suck at teaching doesn't line up with what we are doing now. Also I 100% think that we should not introduce CCnJ to him. It's a tool designed for non-neurotypical nerds to use to navigate conversations. It doesn't work super well with Normies. As we saw when we tried to introduce it to Minami.
This however does mostly work with for me. Will implement something close to it soon
This once again is for the vibes. It's a fun playful line which also highlights how awesome we are. 100% unwilling to cut that.
yeah was meant to be suggestions to talk over with her. Will make an edit to make that more clear
This is fine. I have no serious investment in this but know there's a large portion of the playerbase that likes the engineering stuff.