Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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I mean, he's LITERALLY married to the pangolin Summoner, so this sounds like her problem/something she'd have already offered...
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Workshop a Scroll Hunt with Kei and see if she's able to go or not
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I have no particular strong feelings about the Hot Air Balloon idea, but we should definitely teach Harumitsu. Asuma was "only mostly joking" and Harumitsu is, genuinely, a good kid. Let's teach him some more.
If Harumitsu asks where we've been, we can honestly say that the Hokage said we weren't allowed to talk about it, implying that we were on a Super Secret Mission for the Hokage (effectively passing all the blame onto Asuma).
If Harumitsu asks where we've been, we can honestly say that the Hokage said we weren't allowed to talk about it, implying that we were on a Super Secret Mission for the Hokage (effectively passing all the blame onto Asuma).
Oh, definitely Kei's problem. Not going to add that to our plate anytime soon, just idle musing.
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- the point is of no return and you have reached it!
I don't think we need to involve Hazou or anyone else in this. Seems to be going too far into other people's business IMO
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
... Probably.
Not my business is a healthy mindset for Hazõ.
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Okay. Where the hell are the Watchers and why haven't they been on this shit? Did Jiraya just have a bad dream after all?
I'm a bit confused. Didn't Asuma just hand all of these to us? Were they recently dug up or something? Why didn't the Third ever have these things come to Naruto? Or at least copies of them?
Even if the answer is HDK, Naruto himself should be mighty curious as to why he's hearing about/seeing this stuff for the first time, from the Goketsu of all people.
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
... The watchers may be dead, or not a thing on this dimention.
Bets me on the naruto part trough, i can understand J man not doing it (the guy repress like a champ) but Hiruzen should have know, maybe was thing he expected J man to come around and do.
Ironically his more or les sucesfull attempt at a family was when found a hot missing nin with 2 genius children and 2 sealing gremlins.
Bets me on the naruto part trough, i can understand J man not doing it (the guy repress like a champ) but Hiruzen should have know, maybe was thing he expected J man to come around and do.
Ironically his more or les sucesfull attempt at a family was when found a hot missing nin with 2 genius children and 2 sealing gremlins.
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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In the immediate aftermath of the Nine-Tails event, Minato's notes probably got locked down tighter than Hinata's dating life. The eventual declassification (to the point of 'sealmasters can read this with permission') was probably performed by Jiraiya - Hiruzen wasn't qualified and no one else had the clearance. Jiraiya didn't have parents himself (AFAIK he was a common-born war orphan) so he probably had a bit of a blind spot. It very well might not have occurred to him to share the intimate details with Naruto, and by the time that Hiruzen got unburied by the insanity generated by the Nine-Tails event, it had slipped out of working memory. This also assumes that Jiraiya read all the poetry and everything Minato wrote, instead of focusing on the sealing notes and spot-checking the diaries and drafts.
It's an oversight, certainly, but it's not impossible to see how it would have happened given the number of people who have access to the notes, strong incentive to read everything Minato wrote in great detail, and strong connections to Naruto.
Keep in mind that we didn't just dump a box of everything Minato wrote on Naruto. There was probably a hell of a lot of it and it's totally plausible IMO that Naruto read a decent chunk of it and between sealing notes he couldn't understand, truly abysmal poetry (he'd probably appreciate exactly how bad; you can't be a political player in Leaf without being able to read and analyze poetry) and whatever other dross was in there, he stopped. We pulled out a very carefully-curated selection which included conversations between his parents. He'd probably read Minato's writing, but for all we know Kushina only put brush to paper under threat of death.
If hazou curated minato writing that means he spend a lot of time on it. If naruto does want to read his parents stuff, I would not expect him to spend less time sifting through minato non-seal writing than Hazou. And I'd expect the writing to be organized such that it is easy to find just the non seal writing. Given the seal writing was organized into groupings with names
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The poetry was not secret, classified, or Forbidden for Naruto to view. I think the truth is honestly worse: no one bothered to tell him it even existed.
(Or he knew and didn't read through it for one reason or another as FS suggested)
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Yes, we have probably read through either every or nearly every poem Minato ever wrote at this point. If we haven't, I expect we'll get there within a few weeks of investigating the seals.
Naruto's incentive to read his father's poetry was trying to feel a little closer to his dad. He probably saw significantly diminishing returns on this after the 20th poem. Hazo's incentive is a world-changing seal. We have yet to see diminishing returns.
Keep in mind that we didn't read through his parents' stuff, parents plural. We were handed his father's terrible poetry and we stumbled upon communication between Minato and Kushina - something rare and precious that Naruto might never have seen before.
There was probably a big stack of poetry, perhaps sorted by date, maybe - maybe - also indexed by topic.
There's a great reason to have your seal notes highly organized - you need to be able to sort through them personally.
There's pretty much no reason to have your personal collection of poetry that's borderline unpublishable sorted diligently. You also wouldn't specifically mark sections like 'Kushina stole and wrote on these ones' because she's your wife and that's not a remarkable interaction.
Jiraiya knew about the poetry and would have told Naruto it existed - Naruto probably knew his dad was a terrible poet.
I suspect that there was a huge pile of it and that he read a small quantity of it, found it to be broadly representative of the boxes and boxes of poetry, and set it aside.
Let's say our dead dad bequeathed us a few hundred recipes. Hana warned us they were terrible. We tried a dozen at random - they were, in fact, terrible. How many more do you think we'd try? I bet zero or close to zero. This means we'd miss out on the love notes written on 2-3 of the recipe cards.
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everyone's different but personally I don't think I'd have stopped in that situation. Like when I get a sappy gift from someone I don't start critiquing the quality, that isn't really the point of it
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Sure, but this isn't a gift (it's random stuff his father might not have intended anyone read, ever) and a big part of grieving is eventually moving on.
Coupled with the fact that Naruto was almost certainly taught to appreciate poetry as art as part of his upbringing as future Hokage, is therefore actively repulsed by how bad his father's poetry is...I'm imagining eight-year-old Naruto expecting some grand revelation in the half-dozen boxes of writing given to him, finding rhyme structure that's so bad he can see the flaws, and getting discouraged after reading a representative sample. From there, he just doesn't go back to it because it's a painful memory.
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We know a few things about the Watchers:
- We know that stories of them have existed for a long time, long enough that Jiraiya came to believe in them during a previous war. Not 'invented', 'came to believe'. The stories were already around when Jiraiya had his possibly-sleep-paralysis incident and started believing in them.
- According to the stories, they allegedly watch over the world and intervene against anyone who intentionally causes sealing failures.
- We know that one of the alt-Kagomes was High Watcher Kuge Maya, who died to an intentional sealing failure when she confronted some kind of sealmaster. It is entirely plausible that Kuge Maya was confronting that sealmaster in the first place because they had previously induced intentional sealing failure.
- We know that Kagome believes the Watchers are a facade created by the lupchanzen, which we know to have existed mainly in Captain Kaga Miyu's reality.
- None of the alt-universes have displayed concrete evidence of divergences longer than a couple hundred years old.
- It's a complete coincidence: The 'High Watcher' status in Kuge Maya's reality has absolutely no causal relation to the 'Watcher' rumours in our timeline. The rumours are just rumours and the Watchers don't exist here.
- (Perhaps in Kuge Maya's reality the High Watcher position was named after the 'Watcher' rumours, that also works)
- The Watchers are real: exactly as Jiraiya said, they have unfathomable power, can spy on the world, and intervene only in response to intentional sealing failures. Moreover, as an organization they are old enough that they predate the points of divergence that defined the alt-realities we saw. High Watcher Kuge Maya is simply part of that universe's Watcher organization, operating unseen just as our Watchers are unseen.
There's an obvious way to conduct an empirical test, but it'd be hazardous in more ways than one. We'll have to wait until we uncover more levers to pull at.
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I'll just say I don't really agree with this characterization, but that it isn't crucial enough for me to feel like debating, and leave it at that.
That doesn't match the interest naruto showed in the box when Mari gave it. Even if he could guess that hazou curated it by the size of the box which is not a given due to existence of storage seals
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I wonder where we'd be now if we had made orochimaru clan head and convinced the rest of the clan to go along with it
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The interest he showed was absolutely proportionate to the described contents.
As soon as he found out that notes from his mother were in there, he popped the clone. He probably has very little from his mother.
He would have had the authority to demand that Hazo, Kei, and Noburi reveal all of their bloodline secrets. We could have refused and been executed or complied. If we complied, he'd then order us to allow him to submit to vivisection. If we refused, he could have lawfully executed us (he wouldn't have given us time to complain to the Hokage and Asuma isn't going to challenge him) and then dissected the bodies. If we'd have complied, I can't imagine we'd come out the other side having retained our agency.
So, dead or his puppets.
On a totally unrelated note, @Velorien, how's your hand doing? Would it be easier for the next update to be flashbacks to our various Yuno conversations, or should we plan/vote as normal?
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[X] Action plan: A little bit of fluff
- Have a lesson with Harumitsu
- He's now at a point where he should be thinking about a personal project
- Suggest several path that he could take
- Single color HOWS
- An explosive varient
- something with a timer
- some other easy suggestions
- Make sure that he understands both Hazou and Kagome will be available to advise him on this
- Suggest several path that he could take
- Reflect on your own time starting to do independent research under Kagome
- Things have changed so much since then
- Ask Harumitsu what his plan for the future are?
- Stress that no matter how big or small his dreams are Hazou will be there helping him every step of the way
- He's now at a point where he should be thinking about a personal project
- Meet with Kei to discuss going after the Squirrel Scroll
- Lay out all the information we have
- See if the Nara have any information on where the meeting on the eastern continent went down.
- Ask if she is willing to join you on this hunt
- We both have incredibly good track records on finding priceless magical artifacts
- It would be nice to go out on a mission as a team again
- Bringing Akane seems prudent since Hazou's intent is that the scroll is for her,
- Yuno has worked well with Akane in the past, and she's an excellent tracker.
- Noburi would be helpful for moral support and diplomacy skill, the versatility of water element, and having an additional Summoner present, plus distributing chakra.
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- Arrange for hot air balloon (using paper lanterns as inspiration) research with the Skyslider research team
- Suggest using waxed spider silk, should we have enough, for the balloon, since it worked so well with skysliders, and animal oil for the fuel.
- Arrange for hot air balloon (using paper lanterns as inspiration) research with the Skyslider research team
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