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- USA
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- He/Him
Right, should have gone with lumens. That means that the JADL is ~900 lumens (make the math easy) and HOWS is about 300, right?
Yes, it was intended to mean that the entirety of the detector must be exposed.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
I don't recall where/if that was said, and without solid confirmation I'd rather not take my chances.
edit: EJ confirmed on discord, so yeah there's no need for my vote.
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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- He/Him
Plans-by-reference have bitten us previously.
@Shrooms would you repost your previous plan or sanction someone else reposting it so folks can vote for it without inviting the unspeakable horrors of vote-by-reference?
@eaglejarl can you clarify your intentions vis-a-vis voting?
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
"Continue previous plan" has served us fairly well over the years. After all, whatever plan it points to is by definition a plan which has already won a previous cycle on its own merits. Heck, the other question at hand is whether it's even necessary to explicitly say, or if EJ will just enact "continue previous plan" by default unless a lot of new votes come in.
One way or another we're both putting our support behind Shrooms' plan from last cycle, which won with a comfortable majority of the vote.
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- Texas
Correct, and the HOWS would be 1/3 of the chosen wattage for JADL.
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- USA
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- He/Him
Speaking as a stupid American, what was this?
No. The exact quote was: Intentionally reproducing a seal failure was (as per Kagome-sensei) "set-your-face-on-fire stupid", but intentionally researching a seal that produced heat...well, that was a different story.
i.e. he's not thinking "hey, I wonder if infrared is a thing and I should reproduce this failure", he's thinking "hey, this gives me an idea about something unrelated."
I'll run the tallybot starting from chapter 504 to make things easy.
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- Europe
Those two parts aren't really that important.
Why do we need to be careful or subtle about inviting Orochimaru? If we have a deal with Asuma we can just bring Oro.
Something else could be squeed in, if we want to ask one of the Summoning Bosses something else for example.
Light Relay Seal
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- UK
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- He/Him
Light Relay Seal
Summary:The Light Relay (LR) seal has a 4"-diameter detector spiral on the left and a 4"-diameter emitter spiral on the right. If the detector receives enough light of a specific color (chosen at infusion time) then the emitter sends out a constant amount of light of a specific color (chosen at infusion time).
Note: This seal is a complete pain in the ass for the QMs. There are a crapton of physics questions that can be asked and we have neither the background nor the spoons to deal with it. We've done our best to answer as many of them as we can and we are going to do our best to be consistent about applying those answers. That said, if we forget something and do it wrong or if we have to make a judgment call and it ends up being inconsistent then chakra be trollin', yo.
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The blank for the Light Relay (LR) seal is 12" wide. It has one 4"-diameter spiral in its left third, a bunch of stuff in the middle, and another 4"-diameter spiral in the right third. The one on the left is the receiver and the one on the right is the emitter. Don't read too much into this as far as seal theory goes; we're only specifying the shape to make it easy to talk about. Please don't poke too hard at the relationships between shape and function.
Treat the detector spiral as being mostly equivalent to a real-world light sensor that only reacts to a particular color of light and has a threshold for activation. If that threshold is passed then the emitter spiral lights up.
At infusion time you choose what color the seal is sensitive to (e.g. 'leaf green') and what color it emits (e.g. 'robin-egg blue'). If a sufficient amount of light of the specified color strikes the receiver, the emitter will emit light of its specified color at the same intensity as a Harumitsu's Outstanding World-Saving (HOWS) seal.
Only the ink that forms the detector spiral absorbs light. The entirety of the detector spiral must be exposed. If you fold a corner over it or place a straw across it then it stops working. Chakra being chakra, the exact limits on this are fuzzy; a single speck of dust won't deactivate it, but a sufficiently heavy sprinkling of dust will. The seal does not need to be lying flat; you can fold it in half and it will still function. The emitter spiral does not have this restriction; it works like any normal light source in that if you block part of it then the light from that part is blocked but the light source does not shut down.
Chakra being the troll that it is, close investigation of how much light is enough to activate an LR yields inconsistent results. (i.e., the QMs refuse to get too deep in the physics weeds and will use their best judgment.) As general benchmarks:
- Jiraiya's Awesome Daybright Lantern seal is roughly 900 lumens
- Haru's Outstanding World-Saving seal is roughly 300 lumens, which we are treating as bright enough to comfortably read by at arm's length at night under a clear sky (i.e., not daylight but not pitch black)
- HOWS is sufficient to activate an LR at 3 meters. Because we don't want to mess around with this, we'll assume that it's sufficient to activate an LR at 3m during daylight or at night. It might not be sufficient if the area is exceedingly bright, exceedingly smoky, etc.
- To find out the activation range of any light-producing seal for LR, take the distance from which you can comfortably read by the seal in question and multiply by three.
- Again, the QMs do not have the spoons to faff around with physics on this. We'll do our best to be consistent but if we have to make a judgment call and it ends up being inconsistent then chakra be trollin' yo.
Fortunately, the color emitted by an LR is stable, so if you have an LR seal set to emit American Orange then it will always activate another LR that is set to detect American Orange.
Q: Can you verbally describe a color to another sealmaster such that they can accurately create an LR that detects and/or emits that color?
A: No, but if they see the color then they can do it. (NB: There might be some exceptions if people have color blindness or other conditions that distort their color perception.)
Q: Can a sealmaster reliably reproduce a color that they used in the past?
A: Yes.
Q: What direction(s) do the seals emit in?
A: The same sort of hemisphere that you would get from the top face of a glowing-hot flat piece of metal. (The seals are heatless unless specified otherwise; we are only referencing direction here.)
Q: What is a distance that something in the way of the seal will reliably not block functioning? An inch?
A: Sure, why not. If something is 1" from an LR then it can be discounted for purposes of whether or not the seal works. Again, chakra be troll and inconsistent yo.
Q: Do transparent materials (like a perfect glass or water) blocking the spirals prevent activation?
A: If you have sufficiently clear and flawless glass (i.e., sufficient for eyeglasses) then no, it does not block activation. The Aburame are among the very, very few people in the setting capable of making glass of this quality, and only in small amounts. There is no practical way to safely put a seal underwater to test if that would be an issue.
Q: What happens if you shine light parallel to the seal paper? So light is touching the absorption spiral but moves across instead of into it.
A: The same thing that would happen with a real-world light detector, to the limits of the QM's understanding, memory, blah blah blah.
Q: If you write the seal on transparent paper and you shine light from behind the absorption spiral. What happens?
A: There is no such thing as transparent paper in the setting, nor would Hazō be willing to scribe a seal on glass.
To be clear, he did this at 7 years of age? What the fuck?
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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- He/Him
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- United States
Jinchuuriki be wack I guess.
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- The state of Paranoia
So it sounds like we should be fine to set up a tube and space out LR seals along it to pass messages in EN-Morse code. We'll need to make it easy to open up where the seals are to confirm they're working and replace expended seals, but it should be a good way to communicate between villages, towns, and other fixed locations.
And also maybe the Third Mizukage was down with the flu or something.
I mean it's kind of ass, I think the Gotketsu Estate is about ~2500 m from the Tower (assuming the Tower is in the center of Leaf, which is circular, which has a radius of 2.5 km) that implies that we need ~833 LR seals to keep a channel open. That's ~70 hours of scribe time a month for just that single line of communication in the Greater Leaf Area. Not worth Hazou's time to maintain IMO. For a channel that needs constant watching to improve over ninja sprint. We need to iterate several times to increase the range before they're worth selling.
Would shared experience/reference be sufficient to describe a color? i.e Set up an LR that emits an orange the same hue as Naruto's outfit, or the same green as on (insert well known nation flag)? Can't describe a color from nothing in sufficient detail, but this would allow for setting up essentially standardized signal colors without needing to meet in person to do so?
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- Europe
meanwhile 1.1k words about a simple seal idea.
This is the inverse of George R.R. Martin, who makes Westeros the size of a continent with seven nations and five cities but writes multiple centuries of detailed history.
I have to compare you to a rich and famous writer to make a joke about you.
Congratulations?
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- USA
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Having seen a color is good enough so yes, this would work. Note quibbles about "the flag that I saw was somewhat faded and therefore not the right color" or "the dye that was used was weak and therefore not the right color" and etc.
That said, we aren't accepting more questions at this time. The description was posted so that people could check it over and make sure that we included all of the questions and answers that have been given thus far. We'll wait a reasonable amount of time and, assuming that no one points out issues, we'll add this to the Player-Known Seals document and call it a day.
I'd need to check, but I'm fairly sure that Leaf is about 2.5 km in diameter, not radius. Can anyone @faflec that for me?
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Then again mechanically speaking mastering the usage of you're tailed beast like Yagura and B did probably just gives you a S-rank level baseline statline, and to get even stronger after that probably requires to invest almost as much XP as it would have cost to get to that point in the first place.
Meaning that Yagura probably wasn't all that much stronger at 16 years old, as opposed to when he was 6-7 years old.
No idea how that translates to square miles exactly, or where the Tower is located. It might be cool to have a map of Leaf though. I know there's a bunch of farmland within the walls. But not how that plays out with the city and the major clanseaglejarl on Discord said:
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- Europe
Was that the post you were thinking about? It's in the info tab.
I think the farmland inside the walls is supposed to be extraordinarily productive too. Multiple generations of ninja inventing fertility jutsu and using them might have that effect.
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- Europe
Maybe. But that's where the original numbers might have come from.
But it's not really relevant if the new number is correct.
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- Fifth Dimension
Does he? And would he be willing to give it up when he can just take our stuff for free?
And can we stop him?
That's why people are hesitant.
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- The Void
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- She/Her
It's really frustrating when I get comments like this when my post is inherently addressing this issue.