What counts as the former as something you want to know? Vs the latter as something explainable by chakra being a troll?
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Didn't see a simultaneous requirement anywhere
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Eaglejarl just because you met one psychopathic 7 year old while he's torturing a dog or something, doesn't neccesarily mean they're all like that.
That kinda logic is why racism exists.
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I want to try to work out my pitch for why I want to gift/sell Orochimaru some of the dragon material.
First some ground work. Orochimaru is a scary mother fucker. However he isn't Hidan who just indiscriminately murders people. He had a history of working with tons of people to further his goal. Just look at any of the snake themed organizations that he founded. He also has taken on multiple apprentices. 2 of which hit jounin rank. He also rejoined leaf and mostly acts as a loyal ninja. He is willing to go on missions. He even has gone on summon raids with Kei after the last encounter we had with him. And on top of that the fact that we do have a weird and fucked up kinda family relationship with him.
Right now we have some pretty interesting exotic materials. We have reason to expect Oro will want to experiment on them. We also want to make these more widely available for other people to research on. The worst case scenario is Oro decides to start throwing the god flaying knife around and then we roll over and give him everything. This is a possibility in the future where we go to Oro as well as the one where we just make them publicly available.
By going to Oro first we are making a hedge against that outcome. If we give Oro a scale we are showing him that we are a potentially useful ally that he can get value out of. If he wants more we give him a prosocial way to get them that also benefits us. Oro def has resources that would benefit us at a very small cost to himself. People are worried about Akane's survivability, Oro 100% has a jutsu that could help keep her safe. There are so many things that he has that would be helpful. Finally if worst comes to worst and he demands everything while blasting us with his aura we are in the same boat if he decided he wanted them that badly if we don't go to him.
First some ground work. Orochimaru is a scary mother fucker. However he isn't Hidan who just indiscriminately murders people. He had a history of working with tons of people to further his goal. Just look at any of the snake themed organizations that he founded. He also has taken on multiple apprentices. 2 of which hit jounin rank. He also rejoined leaf and mostly acts as a loyal ninja. He is willing to go on missions. He even has gone on summon raids with Kei after the last encounter we had with him. And on top of that the fact that we do have a weird and fucked up kinda family relationship with him.
Right now we have some pretty interesting exotic materials. We have reason to expect Oro will want to experiment on them. We also want to make these more widely available for other people to research on. The worst case scenario is Oro decides to start throwing the god flaying knife around and then we roll over and give him everything. This is a possibility in the future where we go to Oro as well as the one where we just make them publicly available.
By going to Oro first we are making a hedge against that outcome. If we give Oro a scale we are showing him that we are a potentially useful ally that he can get value out of. If he wants more we give him a prosocial way to get them that also benefits us. Oro def has resources that would benefit us at a very small cost to himself. People are worried about Akane's survivability, Oro 100% has a jutsu that could help keep her safe. There are so many things that he has that would be helpful. Finally if worst comes to worst and he demands everything while blasting us with his aura we are in the same boat if he decided he wanted them that badly if we don't go to him.
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I suppose I need to add an explicit /s or :> or (I am joking!) to the end of things like that.Eaglejarl just because you met one psychopathic 7 year old while he's torturing a dog or something, doesn't neccesarily mean they're all like that.
That kinda logic is why racism exists.
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Why has this whole meeting only between Hazou and one person? Why isn't that just a meeting between all kinds of experts?
Tsunade/Kabuto/Orochimaru/Kagome/Hazou + Asuma?
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Yeah, most children around that age have an underdeveloped sense of empathy. Imagine one with Naruto's power, and a mass of people who are too scared to tell the kid "no."
Edit: but yeah, Yagura's whole life is murky and weird and a big question mark due to all the propaganda and rewriting history. Hopefully anyone old enough to remember the truth will start to tell it... If there's anyone alive from back then.
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Mostly to hedge against Oro just taking them during that meeting. I 100% expect that to be the outcome if we decide to ignore the issue
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Without going into a deep discussion on the origin of social oppression in general and racism in particular - it's not. That said, 7 year olds deserve to be discriminated against. They're terrible. I should know, I used to be one until I realised the error of my ways and just had to changeEaglejarl just because you met one psychopathic 7 year old while he's torturing a dog or something, doesn't neccesarily mean they're all like that.
That kinda logic is why racism exists.
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Tsunade and Asuma would allow him to take everything from us without compensation? Sounds wrong to me.
Also Yagura being a pyscho wasn't an accident, it was a feature:
Basically, blame whoever had the bright idea to put a monster into a monster.
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It's just so Hazou has relevant information to discuss. Don't really see the need to have what is essentially the same meeting like 4 times
Not quite how it's supposed to go,, at least as described in the plan. Empathy here is not using any FP or invoking anything. Empathy is used to discover Aspects in Shikamaru. When you discover someone's aspects, it gives you a tag for each aspect you discover. I'm not sure what the correlation is between the difference in your skill and the number of aspects you discover, the rules don't say. Maybe each aspect discovered through Empathy would be equivalent to a shift of stress dealt or something.
Anyways, after discovering any Aspects he can, Hazou would then use those generated tags and his FP on the Rapport Roll, which does not necessarily need to beat a skill Shikamaru has. See: Noburi beating a Rapport TN of 30 for the Toads so they share some info on Sage mode, but probably not as much as if he'd rolled Rapport 60. Shikamaru has a decently positive opinion of Hazou and knows Hazou is working in the best interest of preserving the world. That may make him more inclined to share with Hazou than like Sasuke or someone. In that case, Hazou probably wouldn't need to roll as high as Sasuke on the Rapport roll. Basically, I expect the higher the Rapport roll is the more useful the information will be.
EDIT: Similarly, the TN could actually be harder than Shikamaru's skills would indicate, due to the whole conspiracy thing. Even a Nara genin may have a pretty high Rapport TN to get them to say anything, because the thinker clans are even more tight lipped than most other ninja. Sometimes it's not about Skill vs. Skill, but rather how likely you are to get through to them. The TN would probably be based on whatever EJ thinks is an appropriate target, informed by our relationship with Shikamaru, his knowledge of Hazou's accomplishments and flaws, Shikamaru's duty to conspiracy/protecting the world, AND social skills.
I was asked to have Prime do this one, since Calligraphy held us back last time.
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Maybe, but even if your right I'd like to lock in a deal with Oro since he has tons of shinies
Btw, did Yagura kill the third Mizukage or did he just take over after the third Mizukage died?
Speaking of which, the third Mizukage never actually got a name in canon (Being the only Kage to have never been named I do believe) did you guys come up with a name for him yourselves? Because it would be really weird if Hazo didn't know.
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I thought it was considered unprecedented that the 6th Mizukage ousted the 5th, so I presume the 3rd just died in some way. Could be wrong though
I don't personally mind interacting with Oro if we do it carefully, all the chapters he's in are awesome. But the discourse around him is always really frustrating so I would rather just wait til people feel it's safer so we don't have to bicker about it endlessly. There are potentially dangerous things I like debating but Oro's motives aren't one of them unfortunately
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"Discovering Aspects
Knowing the Aspects of your opponent, your friends, and your environment can be a big advantage. Some will be obvious ("Dark and Shadowy"), some require effort to suss out. Doing so typically requires a skill check. When you first discover an otherwise hidden Aspect, you gain the opportunity to capitalize on it via a Tag - see above.
To find one Aspect of another person:
Roll Empathy vs (Deceit or Rapport, defender's choice).
To find one Aspect of your environment:
Roll Examination vs QM-assigned TN. QMs may allow substitution of 'Alertness'."
It reads to me like finding out Shikamaru's Aspects will require an Empathy vs Deceit/Rapport roll. I do see what you mean about the invokes, though. The intent is to spend the FP on a subsequent Rapport roll to convince him to share information. That makes sense.
Right, that makes sense, but we're probably going to want to do the 5 days of prep with a SC while Hazo goes around talking to all these people.
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Yeah that sounds correct to me.
Does research prep take the entire day? Also, I guess there's nothing inherently wrong with a SC doing the talking. I would be more willing to be more specific but word count is already at 299
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Yes, Yagura killed the Third Mizukage. No, we never made up a name for the Third. Yes, he had one and Hazō knows what it was.
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In that case, Hazou will probably just need to do his day of speaking with everyone and then do the 5 prep days (or gather info/talk after completing ARS, either way), since he can't leave for the 7th path without popping all his clones.
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IMO it's a matter of whether or not the situation is likely to come up in a way that is important to define right now. You can assess that based on whether or not you're going to be actively, in the short-term, pushing towards the situation, or whether a casual ruling on the situation in the interim might create continuity issues later.
So, in this case:
- I agree that the business about a seal being blocked is weird and I don't understand it. HOWS functions just fine under a rock.
- We don't know and probably won't know any time soon what chakra thickness corresponds to 'Byakugan light', if such a thing actually exists. Moreover, if it does, they can do this, and if it doesn't, they can't. This doesn't need to be specified with respect to this seal; this is a property of light source seals in general.
- We can't really create coherent/directed light sources. Do you have examples of strongly-directional light in the setting at present? What situation are you thinking of where this would come up, which wouldn't be addressed by how well-lit the seal element is?
- Transparent paper doesn't exist nor does it seem like it will exist any time soon. When it does exist, there will need to be rulings made.
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Strictly speaking it's more 'start the plan for real' because last update was an interlude, but it's still 'the plan we voted in last cycle which has yet to be completed' so I think it still works.
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There are some assumptions here, mainly what an appropriate amount of lumens is and what the efficiency of the bulb is. If we're continuing with the ~900 lumens assumption, we can use an LED bulb's lumens/watts ratio to figure out the watts. Some quick research says that LED bulbs have an efficiency that has rapidly increased over the past couple decades. Back in 2005, you would have gotten a range of 30-60 lumens/watts, and currently you can find bulbs in the market with ~84 lumens/watt (Standard Phillips LED bulb). With these numbers, we get a range of 30 watts to ~11 watts.
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I think EJ is just going to tally from before the last chapter
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Can you clarify what you mean by 'exposed' here? (Apologies if you've done so already - I couldn't find it.) HOWS functions very well while hidden under a rock - at least, Sage, I hope it does, if it doesn't then it isn't sucking up extra chakra around the Great Seal.
It makes perfect sense to me that the entirety of the detector element must be exposed to function. It makes good sense to me that if you block the light-emitting element, it only puts out a fraction of the light commensurate with the exposed portion, or that the light put out is changed, or something else happens that would impact its ability to trigger another LR. This is actually intuitive enough to me that I don't think it needs to be written into the seal description. But it doesn't make sense to me that if I obstruct the light-emitting element, it will stop emitting light or stop detecting light. If this is just How It Is, that's fine (and should definitely be written into the seal description!) but this smells more like ambiguity in phrasing to me.
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