Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Can someone tell me what these material engineering experiments are meant to do?
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When the gliders get wet they lithobrake
Is there any suggestion that Hazo could think of these ideas? Also, the suggestion is not immediately clear as to its purpose.
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We could just ask them to try waterproofing and composite weave ideas?
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Sure, I can change it to that
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Literally not true. I implemented one of your very own ideas into a plan just now. If you want it in a plan, write the plan section and ping a planner with your reasoning and it'll actually happen.
A student exchange seems like a decent idea. Strengthens bonds between Leaf and Mist and lets Noburi see his sisters again. And the Wakahisa already sent a Wakahisa to bring us koi, so the precedent is there. But traveling seems rather risky right now given the war and length of the journey. Academy students can't run at ninja speeds so it'll take even longer. Seems like something we'd have to check for feasibility with the team first.
He's from Mist, he should have some passing cultural knowledge of how canvas sails are waterproofed. Leather is also commonly known to be water resistant, and leathers are tanned with tannins. Thus, soak in tannins. We definitely already have leather. We've literally tried applying wax to waterproof seals before. And weaving spidersilk with water-resistant material seems plausible to me.
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- Give the team a large bonus.
- Pass suggestions to team for improving spidersilk in skywalkers: soak in tannins, weave xor layer with linen, hemp or wool, treat with wax
- Congratulate them and thank them, but note that their work isn't over yet.
- Tools like this could be imperative to winning the war
- Any improvements to stability, flight speed, and duration could be helpful.
Is the skyslider team not already trying to waterproof the skysliders?
Edit: tar, pitch, and wax were apparently the oldest ways of waterproofing boat hulls. Hazou could plausibly know this since he grew up on the coast. 16th century for tar and pitch, 19th century for wax.
Edit 2: I had an extra "with" in the plan section that I removed.
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I feel like rather than making suggestions, Hazou should present the idea to Asuma at this point. Present it as a victory for his civilians, and a pointed nudge that civilians can help with ninja things. Note the flaws, but suggest Asuma develop an expanded civilian engineering corps.
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I think you have a reasonable number of good ideas and that there is at least some merit to your claims that you're ignored. I think it would be of net benefit to everyone if your ideas were given more space. I also understand that you're going through it.
But.
- You posted that three (maybe four, now that I'm done writing this) hours ago. Given the timescales of forums, I hardly think that qualifies as 'absolute silence'.
- I am personally pretty sure that I've engaged with the idea previously - specifically, I think it's pretty much a nonstarter - so it doesn't make sense for me to repeat my engagement - I assume you read it the first time, and it didn't seem to move your needle. (If I didn't lay my objections out clearly the first time, I do so now, below.) A lot of the things that you say are things that you've said several times. This is fine, and a natural consequence of not feeling heard, but I'm personally not going to respond to the same ideas over and over when there are either irreconcilable differences or the author of the ideas didn't engage with my engagement. I don't, personally, feel like you're great at taking feedback and incorporating it. Again, that's fine. Some of it is probably that you think my ideas are wrong and you justifiably ignore them. Some of it is probably just that we don't gel on an interpersonal level so what you mean to communicate as taking the feedback doesn't come across to me as taking the feedback, or what I mean to communicate as helpful feedback reads as either unrelated babbling or insulting your haircut. But even accounting for that, I'm hard-pressed to think of times that I've felt that engaging with your ideas was a good use of my limited brainpower, and that doesn't make me want to do it more.
- I wouldn't be surprised to find that a portion of the thread has you blocked or ignores you because they find engaging with you tiring. If you want more engagement, then you need to be willing to change the way you engage with folks - or if you aren't willing to do that, at least own that you're a significant chunk of this problem. Or if you truly do think that the issue lies strictly with other people, then I want to let you know that if you're trying to change how I interact with/perceive you, I think you need to adjust your approach.
- 'Nobody ever listens to me' is hyperbolic in an off-putting manner. I responded pretty thoroughly to your idea about burning the Hagomoro down over the wedding. I don't know what you call that if not 'listening', unless you're using the term interchangably with 'agreement', in which case I don't think you'll ever be satisfied. While I doubt it was your intention, it is downright discouraging to have time and energy I spent engaging with you seemingly ignored.
- People listen to plans, especially when the plans pass a threshold of coherency and reasonability (I'm confident you can qualify on both fronts) and the authors of the plans are responsive to suggestions and criticism. You have tools at your disposal which would dramatically increase the odds that people listen to you and seriously engage with your ideas. If you don't want to write a plan, personally, the leading plans have plenty of wordcount remaining and you could propose wording for your ideas. I know that I'm generally likelier to add something to my plans when someone makes it easy for me.
- Part of the reason I talk to folks on here is to win their hearts and minds so they'll vote for things I want them to vote for. You have made it very clear that you don't vote. Your reasons are your own, you're entitled to them, but there is objectively less ROI on spending time talking to you than there is talking to other people. This, too, is something well within your power to change.
My understanding is that a significant chunk of the reason that you want an exchange program is because having multiple chakra barrel users in Leaf would be very useful. I agree with this. I don't think that an exchange program would actually enable this, or if it did pan out, it would lead to war or a substantial deterioration of relations with Mist immediately.
Here's a hypothetical: Naruto is friends with Gaara and they decide that in the interests of improving Leaf-Sand relations we should do an exchange program. We send a mix of clan and non-clan kids. There happens to be a Hyuuga in the mix. One day, one of her teachers in Sand shows her a blank wall and asks her to describe what she sees behind it. Why, writing! She faithfully relays it - some sort of riddle? - and thinks little more of it. After all, it was a trivial use of her abilities.
That riddle was left by the first Kazekage. Sand solves it and uncovers a massive cache of scrolls, puppets, and other resources. Sand is now suddenly much, much more powerful. They pull off a dozen or so pretty slick operations.
Leaf finds out that they used the not-even-a-genin Hyuuga this way. Leaf wasn't cut in on the profits despite the fact that Sand literally could not have read that riddle any other way (because it was trapped and sealed and other bullshit, x-ray vision was literally the only way to read it). If Sand had asked us for help with this, we probably would have said no, or if we'd have said yes, we'd have negotiated, but they robbed us of our ability to decline or negotiate.
If we used the kids to shuffle chakra around, and it got back to Mist (and it would, those kids will be thoroughly debriefed) we can be pretty sure we'd never send anyone over there again on a student exchange program. Likelier, I think, is that during the negotiations of the exchange program, anyone sent over would be sent over with minders who would be pretty firm on what they could and couldn't do. The use of bloodline abilities to provide assistance to the host village would simply not be allowed, or there would be a heavy, heavy price.
I feel that textual citations support my analysis. There is one way and one way only to enact a scheme which strictly requires the services of a bloodline and that's to go through their clan head. (I'm discounting kidnapping etc.)
I really and truly want to engage with you and your ideas more frequently on an ongoing basis. I do. Right now, the prospect of doing so makes me feel tired. A lot of that is on me, but not all of it. Meet me partway.
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I'm fine with eventually doing this but that really sounds like "needs to be its own scene" territory
Engineering corp for what? What could civilians improve for ninja that would be useful in warfare? The only reason skyslider works because of the potential syngergy with skywalkers.
Meanwhile, engineers can obviously be used to invent all sort of stuff that's not related to war and do so in all sort of ways that a sealmaster couldn't, because a civilian engineer don't necessarily die in horrible accidents if one of their designs failed.
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Because the specific model needs a name, and this makes Hazou recognize the civilian work that went into the skyslider.
Sure, updated to Team Uplift.
Would rather not say it as-is -- I think it feels far too power-grabby. There's probably a phrasing of this that works for me, but I'm too tired to figure it out.
Since we're doing Dogs next update, and we're not passing any time in this update, it seems fine to do this next one around?
If you think that this scene is a date with Snowflake... I think it may be a bad idea to go on dates with other people without seeking permission from your current partners, or at least deciding on norms about going on dates with other people.
The plan doesn't timeskip. I'll add the following disclaimer above the plan:
"As was demonstrated by Noumero's eloquently named plan "This Plan Tries to Kill Ami by Feeding Her to a Sky Squid", plan names are not content. This plan was originally written when I wanted to Finish the Damn Consequence, but pushback convinced me not to do it, and I figured that it wasn't core enough to the plan to continue. The name persists, but the plan does not make any attempt at timeskipping."
This is a monumental achievement and deserves celebration. The plan does not treat this celebration as the end of the project, but rather treats it as the first of many steps.
Then Asuma says "No." Or at worst, "No, I'm too busy." It's over in three seconds, tops. He's not going to execute us over it, it's not even really going to burn any sort of credit tbh.
Good idea, added.
No longer time-skipping. I'll even remove the intended timeframe line so that it doesn't remotely appear like it passes any time.
Yes -- but the team also decided what to name it on their own and came up with "Hazoulator" -- so I think we may as well take executive action in deciding the name for the model. If we want, we can name future models after other members of the founding team.
Skywalkers are probably straight-up better for aerial combat because ninja speed in combat is faster than over range. Pack-and-transport is good... but I'm not even sure how well modern hang gliders fold up into less than 1m of space.
Updated it to say testing off of skytowers. Also updated to say use Shadow Clones.
I don't think it's a good idea. Why would Mist send Academy students to Leaf? Why would Leaf send Academy students to Mist?
Added this line as well.
Also, stole the investigate non-paper-and-ink stuff from @Shrooms 's plan, though I wonder if Hazou has the spare time to do so. May as well try it, I suppose? Kid clearly doesn't sleep.
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@Paperclipped @Shrooms Obligatory "Check with Mari" request.
Paperclipped in particular: Could you possibly make a note to only update Asuma if Hazou thinks he'd be pleased by our progress? I don't want a situation where we waste his time with a half-assed product.
Paperclipped in particular: Could you possibly make a note to only update Asuma if Hazou thinks he'd be pleased by our progress? I don't want a situation where we waste his time with a half-assed product.
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If Resolve training doesn't take much CP, it might be reasonable to punt the problem for a few months. Or at least until the clones start doing something which isn't Resolve training.
While this would divert attention away from SC, it would miss the point of not letting people know that we have a technique to turn chakra and time into personal power, something that literally everyone would want.
Sure, added, but @Shrooms I would vote against "Check with Mari" because Snowflake and why cause more drama?
Sure, added.
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I added it only for the Offscreen portion of mine
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Could this be "if Hazou thinks it appropriate."?
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It certainly can be -- in fact, it is now.
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Is it not intended to be? Players have been talking about Hazou dating Snowflake. I suppose that as long as Hazou doesn't suspect Snowflake has feelings, he's just hanging out with a friend.
Sorry about the excessive worry about the timeskip. In my defense, I had just woken up and Velorien was being very ominous.
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I worry that this is going to result in him talking about sealing techniques which are analogous to 'put chakra-infused liquid on flat surface and allow it to dry'. He made an explosive (almost) when we got killboxed out of god-knows-what, and while that's cool as heck, I want esoteric bullshit that we can use to bootstrap stoneshaped chime seal.
'Ask Kagome if he's heard of other sealing mediums. Carving, sculpture, mosaics? We're looking for anything that might help us understand 3D sealing or earthshaping better. Search the library for more information later.'
Given that the wordcount is available, I'd use words instead of 'xor', as it's a little difficult to parse. I'm not sure what exactly you're saying, at any rate.
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The purpose of the plan is not to go on a date with Snowflake, it is to bring to Hazou's awareness that Snowflake is interested at all. Then, knowing this, he can discuss with his partners the most respectful course of action that leaves everyone happy, up to and including possibly not dating her but not being an oblivious dumbass about it too
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I thought he just snuck them on and inside his person?
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Yep, how does this look?
Just want to say this is very reasonable, though I still don't think there's evidence to say that she's interested conclusively. Is training/reading the best way to collect that information? Could we instead have the Snowflake scene advance another separate plot?
Also, could you check wordcount?
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It was at 250ish on my most recent edit, including the title and such