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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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RandomOTP said:
Suicide jutsu/seals + shadow clones?
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If a Suicide Jutsu would be enough to kill an S-ranker, it wouldn't be an S-ranker. It would be a dead ninja. Unless it's something like Kagome's Bliss. The problem of stats is sadly a difficult one to resolve.

Oneiros said:
Put Sqishy summoners 5SB. Neji can keep watch so can retreat to 7th path while. Tsunade and Orochimaru kill them
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"Bring our own S-rankers" is in fact a solution, but not one i'm confident we can use, as Asuma wants to keep Naruto/Tsunade/Oro protecting Leaf.

EDIT; my suggestions would be "Boss Summons Ambush" or "Bring our own S-rankers" or "Strategic WMD", but that doesn't consider the ninja backing Roshi and Han if we attack Rock directly.
 
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Lord Marshal said:
"Bring our own S-rankers" is in fact a solution, but not one i'm confident we can use, as Asuma wants to keep Naruto/Tsunade/Oro protecting Leaf.

EDIT; my suggestions would be "Boss Summons Ambush" or "Bring our own S-rankers" or "Strategic WMD", but that doesn't consider the ninja backing Roshi and Han if we attack Rock directly.
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If they can't fly we just retreat on skywalkers. If they have their own skywalkers we just need to outlast them. They almost certainly don't have as many as we do. I don't think S-Rankers can run faster than regular ninja.

We can also just retreat to the Seventh Path in the middle of a random patch of air. That would force them to guard that spot continuously using up precious skywalkers, when we can return at any random moment, not having used any.

Also they might not understand Reverse Summoning, Rock has no Summoners of their own. So they might go "The Summoner disappeared? Better go look elsewhere."
 
Lord Marshal said:
"Bring our own S-rankers" is in fact a solution, but not one i'm confident we can use, as Asuma wants to keep Naruto/Tsunade/Oro protecting Leaf.
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Big shrug. If Asuma won't provide the resources required for the assault it's not really viable. The other option would be have sensor specs that we are willing to sacrifice so summoners can bounce back to the 7th path
 
eaglejarl said:
I've never heard this phrase before and I love it. The meaning is entirely clear without explanation and it encapsulates a useful concept I hadn't thought about.
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Given that you have been around the internet longer than me(maybe?), I am a bit surprised that you haven't encountered it before. It makes me wonder what I haven't seen that's broadly brand new to me.

For example, I have seen Lord of the Rings, and so I have seen the very broad outline of many medieval fantasy. Novelty if encountered, is only a tiny bit.

Oneiros said:
Big shrug. If Asuma won't provide the resources required for the assault it's not really viable. The other option would be have sensor specs that we are willing to sacrifice so summoners can bounce back to the 7th path
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Oro is sent on a rampage. I think Leaf can afford to send an S-ranker to the battlefield.
 
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Kiba said:
Oro is sent on a rampage. I think Leaf can afford to send an S-ranker to the battlefield.
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I'd definitely hope so but you can never tell with ninja. Personally I'm more worried about convincing Ren to lend us some Wakahisa. Think we should make a trip back home and do some diplomacy since we aren't useful in the field
 
Oneiros said:
I'd definitely hope so but you can never tell with ninja. Personally I'm more worried about convincing Ren to lend us some Wakahisa. Think we should make a trip back home and do some diplomacy since we aren't useful in the field
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The problem with getting Mist on the side of Leaf is the potential of sparking it into WWIV and potentially damaging long term relationship with Mist. That's why I want to engage in setting up a trade relation with the Kurosawa. It's not much but it's a start toward clearing the generations old bad blood between Mist and Leaf.
 
Kiba said:
The problem with getting Mist on the side of Leaf is the potential of sparking it into WWIV and potentially damaging long term relationship with Mist. That's why I want to engage in setting up a trade relation with the Kurosawa. It's not much but it's a start toward clearing the generations old bad blood between Mist and Leaf.
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Goketsu is already fairly well tied to Mist via the Wakahisa. How about we encourage another clan to trade with Kurosawa? The Nara unofficially communicate with the Mori, but the Yamanaka and Akimichi probably wouldn't mind some more trade. Or maybe the KEI/Kei could trade with the AMI? We could ask Kei or Ino if they want to try it. Or Choji, he seems pretty chill and already expressed interest in Mist cuisine during the chunin exams.

This would also have the benefit of making us look less like potential traitors. It's one thing if only the Gōketsu have good relations with Mist clans, but if multiple clans are doing it it's harder to say that the Gōketsu are getting too chummy with potential enemies.
 
We need to get Mist to help out in the war against Rock because as of right now we are sever underdogs. Getting them to commit 1 Wakahisa greatly increases the chances of leaf existing as a major village after the war
 
Sentient Tree said:
Goketsu is already fairly well tied to Mist via the Wakahisa. How about we encourage another clan to trade with Kurosawa? The Nara unofficially communicate with the Mori, but the Yamanaka and Akimichi probably wouldn't mind some more trade. Or maybe the KEI/Kei could trade with the AMI? We could ask Kei or Ino if they want to try it. Or Choji, he seems pretty chill and already expressed interest in Mist cuisine during the chunin exams.

This would also have the benefit of making us look less like potential traitors. It's one thing if only the Gōketsu have good relations with Mist clans, but if multiple clans are doing it it's harder to say that the Gōketsu are getting too chummy with potential enemies.
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We need the money. But we could suggest that the Wakahisa could expand their trade to new clans.
 
Okay, screw it. Apparently even I have my limits. Speaking as somebody who "oops"ed half a continent into embers, it's time to go full bore Wrath of God on these assholes.
 
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Velorien said:
"But for a man to think of his father's murderers as they lurk somewhere in the unknown, and say to himself, 'Why not make the seal of reconciliation in case something comes of it in the future?' I can't understand someone who thinks that way. I don't want to."

"With respect, you're wrong," Hazō said fiercely. "I haven't forgotten who they are or what they did. I wake up every morning to a house without Jiraiya in it. I go get breakfast without Jiraiya at the table. I head out without Jiraiya telling me not to get into too much trouble, and I come back without him asking what new way I've found to blow up the village today. I haven't forgotten that he is dead while they are all still alive, and I never will.

"But we need them more than we need my feelings. I don't want this to come out wrong, but I'll say it anyway: Asuma, sir, you don't have a monopoly on self-sacrifice. Every ninja in this village is willing to do whatever it takes to protect it, and if in my case that just means gritting my teeth and playing nice, then I should praise the Will of Fire that I'm getting the cushy job."
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Hazou can do it with an honest to god smile on his face when negotiating with Itachi "Manchild Extraordinare" Itachi mates. The Kurosawa will be no problem.
 
Sir Stompy said:
Hazou's a big boy and he'll be alright.
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My chief concerns about negotiation are...
  • Not appearing treasonous. Pitching this via the Nara helps but there are plenty of people who aren't stupid and who will look at us funny.
  • Getting permission from Asuma. This is a knock on from the last one. They aren't the Akatsuki, but how much better are they in his eyes?
  • Actually negotiating. Our last social encounters went very badly. If we end up sitting across the table from a professional diplomat we'd be screwed under optimal circumstances, to say nothing of our current consequences.
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
My chief concerns about negotiation are...
  • Not appearing treasonous. Pitching this via the Nara helps but there are plenty of people who aren't stupid and who will look at us funny.
  • Getting permission from Asuma. This is a knock on from the last one. They aren't the Akatsuki, but how much better are they in his eyes?
  • Actually negotiating. Our last social encounters went very badly. If we end up sitting across the table from a professional diplomat we'd be screwed under optimal circumstances, to say nothing of our current consequences.
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I don't think we should do any hostile negotiations until Hazou is healed. We can open a line of communication though (with permission)
 
Or we could not do a trade

What are we even trading? If this is like some kind of jutsu exchange thing that's one thing but like if it's like some grain for fish BS I just don't see that being interesting at all

I'd rather be broke than return to marked for economics (which we aren't broke anyways, we just can't start new costly projects at our own discretion for a few months).

Diplomancing relations with an enemy village/Kage COULD be cool, but you gotta be going about it the right way
 
Shrooms said:
Or we could not do a trade

What are we even trading? If this is like some kind of jutsu exchange thing that's one thing but like if it's like some grain for fish BS I just don't see that being interesting at all

I'd rather be broke than return to marked for economics (which we aren't broke anyways, we just can't start new costly projects at our own discretion for a few months).

Diplomancing relations with an enemy village/Kage COULD be cool, but you gotta be going about it the right way
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Marked for Economics what? The sooner our status is "not broke", the better, and WE are broke. If it bothers you so much, we can just offscreen it.

Now, diplomacy. That's important stuff, but I am afraid Hazo is simply just inept at this. That's why we have Mari, who can do the diplomacy thing for us. What it looks like, jutsu, genin squad exchange, etc, whatever, is another matter.
 
Kiba said:
Marked for Economics what? The sooner our status is "not broke", the better, and WE are broke. If it bothers you so much, we can just offscreen it.

Now, diplomacy. That's important stuff, but I am afraid Hazo is simply just inept at this. That's why we have Mari, who can do the diplomacy thing for us. What it looks like, jutsu, genin squad exchange, etc, whatever, is another matter.
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I think we need to plan for Mari being deployed in a manner which is not compatible with her conducting extended negotiations.

This would be a village project - maybe we can be appointed a diplomat. It would be a good opportunity to get to know someone in another clan.
 
if it weren't for needing skywalker production, kagome's bliss sounds like a cheap way to kill jonin or s rankers.

trading isn't just about money. being interconnected could dissuade war
we have little liquid ryo. but we do have all the illiquid assets we went into debt to buy.
 
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