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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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[X] Action Plan: Reaching Past the Veil
[x] Action Plan: A Necromantic Aura
[x] Action Plan: A Necromantic Aura
[X] Action Plan: Reaching Past the Veil
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We have talked to: Kabuto, Ami, Oro, Itachi, Hidan, Noburi, Haru and Akane about resurrecting people. Not a single person told or warned us that there is any social resistance against this research.
People like Noburi are simple concerned that it's wrong for some higher reason.
And we did find some form of afterlife, if there is a heaven equivalent (Deva/Asura?) then some people might want to die and go there and not stay on the Human Path. It's pretty funny that, assuming such a place exists, we found evidence that dying might send you to a better place.
For actual progess on the whole topic:
We should just ask Kabuto and Asuma about Arikadas research, those zombies were capable of fighting and using their abilties.
Maybe she suppressed their personalities? Maybe she just didn't figured out how to completely bring them back so their bodies continued to decay? No Idea, let's find out while Asuma doesn't hate us and wants us to be useful.
And Kabuto already agreed to help us:
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Would be willing to specificy the concept of reactive armor? It's an out of the box thinking that Kagome could our could not reach by himself, and it would risk eating part of another update if left vague
A suggestion to keep the wordcount under-300 words would be.
[X] Action Plan: Reaching Past the Veil
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I'll give trying to find enough space to squeeze the words 'reactive armor' in later today (gave it a quick try right now but nothing was forthcoming, so I'll need to try harder). Worst comes to worst I think there's a good chance Kagome would pick up on the possibilities on his own, or Hazou might fill in the blanks himself, but you're right that it'd be better if we could be specific about it.
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Hmmmm. I suppose its only natural for one of the warlord-kings of this society to assign some incalculable moral weight to the very lives he himself spends like coins, though it is yet another reminder that even the "friendly" people in positions of power are individuals with profoundly disturbing philosophical outlooks.
Well, they can take that opinion and go shit in their hats for all I care. Add this to the list of dumb nonsense to fix later.
Wait why is valuing the sacrifice of people who died protecting Leaf profoundly disturbing? I don't think he's saying it's an incalculable moral weight either (he even goes on to say how Hazou's contributions on the other side counteract it) but he's making us aware of the fact that the Hagoromo have done a lot for Leaf too.
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I'm not sure if he was saying that he assigns those lives moral weight, so much as he was saying the rest of the village does. After all, a great way to get people to spend their lives for you is to tell them that it makes them more moral somehow. You don't necessarily have to believe it yourself.
Admittedly he may very well hold this opinion since until recently he was one of the ones waiting to have his life spent like a coin, but I don't think that's really important. What's important is that the village as a whole believes it. You're right that it's probably an attitude we need to change, but it may be slow going changing the opinions of the common ninja.
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ASUMA: So, Hazō, I believe it is time we revisited the topic of sackfuls of Hidden Rock ryō, with reference to those strategic-scale explosives you keep talking about.
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Good point. I was thinking it could lead to deathist attitudes against necromancy, but I'm not actually all that sure if it will.
With seal failures being part of the decision, maybe the Hagoromo deaths concern the Hokage more in the way that if they were to be retroactively erased from existence by a failure, that would be a whole lot of missions undone.
So when the Hagoromo inevitably force a seal failure to make Asuma punish the Goketsu (because they are obviously not that dangerous, we had some and the village is still here, right?), do the Watchers punish the one who infuses the seal, the one who tampered with it, the one who inscribed it, the one who ordered for the tampering to be done, the group that decided on the false flag strategy, the Hokage for creating such a juicy opportunity, or just whoever was within a distance of the seal during its whole existence?
So when the Hagoromo inevitably force a seal failure to make Asuma punish the Goketsu (because they are obviously not that dangerous, we had some and the village is still here, right?), do the Watchers punish the one who infuses the seal, the one who tampered with it, the one who inscribed it, the one who ordered for the tampering to be done, the group that decided on the false flag strategy, the Hokage for creating such a juicy opportunity, or just whoever was within a distance of the seal during its whole existence?
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Incidentally, I've been thinking about the SC SOPs and thinking that it'd be nice to centralize the FOOM algorithm so we can a) make sure everyone's running the same software, and b) include Hazou in it as soon as he gets SC 30 with no fuss.
(to any QMs who see this, don't worry about having to do anything with this, SC SOPs are mainly intra-hivemind coordination mechanisms so we can have all our ducks in a row for you)
[X] Shadow Clone SOP: General FOOM
otherwise I would've just suggested that, but if you have any suggestions for what the SOP should be like, feel free to speak up!
Edit: I have fixed the 'fixes the ties-go-to-the-attacker problem' problem by reverting back to not caring about tiebreaks because it turns out they are not actually relevant to our use case.
Edit 2: I believe I have correctly incorporated the statistical loss from occasional Milds taken on -9 and -12. This works out to about half a training block of loss, so we can simply bake that into the awards and not have to worry about simulating rolls.
(to any QMs who see this, don't worry about having to do anything with this, SC SOPs are mainly intra-hivemind coordination mechanisms so we can have all our ducks in a row for you)
[X] Shadow Clone SOP: General FOOM
- Dedicate all clones to training.
- Maximum clone-hours = Resolve - 5, with the following modifiers:
- -6 if beneath Resolve 20, -3 if below Resolve 40, +3 if above Resolve 80.
- -3 if beneath SC 40. +3 if above SC 50, +6 if above SC 60, and so on.
- Resulting tolerance: safe on -6 FD or better, only a Mild on -9 or -12.
- Maximum training blocks = floor(max hours/3)
- Any excess hours are free for any use.
- Remove 0.5 training blocks of gain to emulate statistical loss due to Mild Consequences.
- Number of clones = training blocks
- At SC 40+, ceil(training blocks/3)
- Cap number of clones at personal chakra capacity if extra reserves not available.
- Necessary CR for a given number of clones in one cast:
- Without overcharging: CR(N) = ceil(26N + 151)/10
- With overcharging: CR(N) = ceil(26N + 151)/10.5
- Currently defaulting to 'no overcharging'. Vote pending.
- (calculation/benchmarks below)
- (Distribution method for additional chakra left undefined until object situation can be assessed)
- Necessary CR for a given number of clones in one cast:
- On the day before any important event (for which a Mild Consequence would be undesirable), reduce clone-hours by six to eliminate any chance of taking a Consequence.
- In the case of modifications to effective Resolve (excluding SC-induced Mild Consequences), use effective Resolve instead of base Resolve.
- If there is no Mild Consequence open, reduce clone-hours by six to eliminate any chance of taking a higher-level Consequence.
- Resolve 20 --> 9 clone-hours --> 3 training blocks --> +0.25 the update's base XP.
- +1 training block every 3 Resolve, i.e. 23, 26, 29, etc.
- CR Reqs:
- 3 clones: 229 CP --> CR 23 (OC: 22)
- 4 clones: 256 CP --> CR 26 (OC: 25)
- 5 clones: 281 CP --> CR 29 (OC: 27)
- 6 clones: 307 CP --> CR 31 (OC: 30)
- 7 clones: 333 CP --> CR 34 (OC: 32)
- Chakra needed for N clones: 150 + 25N + N + 1
- (N + 1 because each entity needs at least 1 CP after casting)
- Available reserves:
- Without overcharging: CR * 10
- With overcharging: CR * 10 * 1.05
- (x1.05 from overcharging up to 5%, not sure how it rounds so round conservatively)
- Without overcharging:
- CR * 10 = 150 + 25N + N + 1
- 10 * CR = 151 + 26N
- CR = (26N + 151)/10
- With overcharging:
- (CR * 10) * 1.05 = 150 + 25N + N + 1
- 10.5 * CR = 151 + 26N
- CR = (26N + 151)/10.5
- Rounding a hecc, make sure to double-check from the other direction (i.e. calc how much CR you need, then double-check that the given CR gives you enough chakra from that end)
This version fixes the ties-go-to-the-attacker problem (which would mean taking a Consequence on a -6 for a third of Resolve values) by aiming one level higher.- This version, instead of using FP to reroll -9 or -12 on days before missions, instead choses to pre-emptively scale back clone-hours for that day.
- Dynamic scaling for consequences has been generalized to encapsulate all modifiers to effective Resolve, and steps have also been added to ensure we never take a Medium Consequence from FOOM training.
Edit: I have fixed the 'fixes the ties-go-to-the-attacker problem' problem by reverting back to not caring about tiebreaks because it turns out they are not actually relevant to our use case.
Edit 2: I believe I have correctly incorporated the statistical loss from occasional Milds taken on -9 and -12. This works out to about half a training block of loss, so we can simply bake that into the awards and not have to worry about simulating rolls.
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We picked Leaf to go to because we thought it had the best conditions for what we wanted to do. Those conditions, as far as we can tell, are substantially better than what we'll find in the rest of this world. I fail to see why those lives spent in creating a comparatively better society have no moral weight.
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Well, the solution on our part is to accept only high-ranking Hagoromos as a Sealing student, so that they won't try any funny business . This said, Asuma is not an idiot, if the Sealing Failure is the Hagoromo fault and he finds out, he will make an example out of them.
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@Inferno Vulpix Your plan has 2 word groups ("intentionallymade", "you?What") that are stuck as 1, the word count might be off a bit.
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They're separated in the version that I copy-pasted into google docs, so the wordcount should still be fine. Thanks for the heads up, though, I separated them.
edit: okay look they're separated on the original copy, but apparently somewhere between that and the quote box SV merged them again because it hates italics or something.
edit 2, doublepost boogaloo: I finally found space for the 'reactive armor' words:
(also yes it merged the words again but the original is fine I swear)
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