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Reverse summoning living things that aren't summoners kills them, which is what I was referring to
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Reverse summoning living things that aren't summoners kills them, which is what I was referring to
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Doh. Don't know how I conflated that one. Fixed. Tweaked the ending appropriately.
Doh. Don't know how I conflated that one. Fixed. Tweaked the ending appropriately.
Fixed.
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Something was bothering me the first time I read through the chapter - where was Minami's reactions? It looks like eaglejarl went back and added in some reactions, which gives me...considerably more reason to believe that the speech wasn't quite as effective as it looks like we believed. For reference, here are all of Minami's reactions in the edited chapter:
If you'll note - she reacts little (it was less in the first edition) and commits to nothing.
Remember what we came to this conversation for?
We came to get her hooked into the Summoning Clan trade network.
She has rejected the idea outright, and has said the ghost of a hint that she may be adjusting her stance throughout this entire conversation.
We readjust our strategy, and set a new goal: bring her to games night.
She'll consider it.
Not "sure, I'll come", she'll consider it.
In terms of "accomplishing goals"...I can't really say this worked out great.
I wonder whether a big part of the problem is that...for this entire update, Hazou wasn't looking at Minami, and wasn't hearing what she was saying. Like, just in terms of reactions - we deliver that huge speech, don't see her react nonverbally, and what we do hear is her casually picking at everything around the idea. In that giant block of quotations, there are five, maybe six nonverbal cues attached, and the rest is all textual. To me, that speaks to a real failure on Hazou's part of listening to Minami. It really feels like Hazou's reading off a scripted speech, and worse, he's not even reading the crowd to see whether it's landing or not.
I dunno though. This is mostly me thinking out loud into the chat.
(before someone comes up and says "well we should just raise our social stats they're awful" cool, thanks for reading what I said and not listening to what I'm saying I guess)
If you'll note - she reacts little (it was less in the first edition) and commits to nothing.
Remember what we came to this conversation for?
We came to get her hooked into the Summoning Clan trade network.
She has rejected the idea outright, and has said the ghost of a hint that she may be adjusting her stance throughout this entire conversation.
We readjust our strategy, and set a new goal: bring her to games night.
She'll consider it.
Not "sure, I'll come", she'll consider it.
In terms of "accomplishing goals"...I can't really say this worked out great.
I wonder whether a big part of the problem is that...for this entire update, Hazou wasn't looking at Minami, and wasn't hearing what she was saying. Like, just in terms of reactions - we deliver that huge speech, don't see her react nonverbally, and what we do hear is her casually picking at everything around the idea. In that giant block of quotations, there are five, maybe six nonverbal cues attached, and the rest is all textual. To me, that speaks to a real failure on Hazou's part of listening to Minami. It really feels like Hazou's reading off a scripted speech, and worse, he's not even reading the crowd to see whether it's landing or not.
I dunno though. This is mostly me thinking out loud into the chat.
(before someone comes up and says "well we should just raise our social stats they're awful" cool, thanks for reading what I said and not listening to what I'm saying I guess)
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We just got a member of a feuding family to consider the chance that said feud could be resolved nonviolently while not sticking any appendages into any of our bodily orifices.
Metaphorically speaking we just crossed a bridge covered in gasoline, jet fuel, and nitroglycerine on a unicyle while juggling ten lit torches with an audience shouting at us to disrupt our concentration and eagerly waiting to watch us go very, very boom.
Her lack of reactions is a good sign because she was expecting to pounce on us so that she could get concessions from us. Not giving her an opening while receiving a concession from her, even if it is a small one, is a victory.
Politics, especially positions people have for emotional reasons, will never be disabused nor disavowed in a day. Maybe if we had 1000 points in social skills we could pull it off but people just don't stop hating other people after one conversation with a neutral third party sadly.
This is one win of many we will need if we seriously want to repair the relationship between the Minami and Hyuuga clans. It's a worthwhile goal but I expect it to reasonably take in game years to heal over these old, still festering, wounds.
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Nope. Fixed the last couple paragraphs to account for the fact they aren't at games night. (Not sure why I thought they were, but I did.) All the discussion and reactions are the same.
Pearls before swine...
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Nah, your idea made it into the update.
It just doesn't look like it worked.
You do realize that we don't have access to blow-by-blow reactions as we make a speech in advance? Beside, what kind of success do you think you would get when you're facing someone with a history of blood feud and is strongly inclined against the Hyuga?
Beside, she didn't call the whole idea utterly stupid. She 'consider it' not outright reject it.
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Approachable for her alone, or approachable in general?
One makes him less of an ass; the other makes him focus on her ass.
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Snrk. I meant for the Minami. Though your point stands, I suppose.
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Remember, everyone: 'Harass' is one word.
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Neji was a good boy: polite as he could be
He was an easy mark for Inoue Mari
Now he is her toy: putty in an expert's grasp
He could not harass her ass even if she asked
Let's avoid the ick though; move on to other plans
No need to court more possibilities of bans
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Fixed (I hope).
Yes, Hazou: the ninja who has never committed treason... more than five times? We should focus more on Hazou's sincerity instead since that has never been in question.
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Which is why I suggested siccing Mari on him. She's good for more than seduction missions, damn
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So... Does anyone know what color Mari's eyes have been lately?
Also: other than the mine, what are some good ways to help stay connected with Keiko? Because I was thinking family game nights, or (provided that Hazou's romance arc goes the multi-party route) asking for her perspective.
Also: other than the mine, what are some good ways to help stay connected with Keiko? Because I was thinking family game nights, or (provided that Hazou's romance arc goes the multi-party route) asking for her perspective.
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Cariyaga
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Hazou asking Keiko for romance advice would be a fantastic scene and I fully support this.
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Albeit a short one. Like, about 5 words long
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I love that this shows that Hazou isn't feeling it... Though I wonder if the grin was Ami-impish, or Mari-impish?
I love that Hazou's taking no shit about his status as a Leaf citizen anymore. It makes me smile ^.^
edit: It's also a fantastic bit of writing, @eaglejarl! Because if anyone says that Hazou's not a Leaf nin, then they're saying that all of Hazou's contributions still aren't enough to earn the claim of a 'Leaf Ninja.' And Hazou's done far more for the Leaf than most Leaf ninja ever will, so if someone makes that claim, then they're also writing themselves off, too! Hazou's finally learning how to politic and it makes me happy to see him gain his footing in political waters.
Ami once mentioned how frustrating it can be to see people knowingly choose the worse option (for themselves and for everyone else) out of spite. After the meeting with the Minami meeting, Hazou has yet more firsthand experience with that. He could vent about this to Ami and bond over the shared stupidity of people who cling to their hatred, even as it hurts them to do so (something something, sword with no handle, cutting deeper into their hands, the harder they grip it).
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I think that leaning into it is going to cause Ami to "win" in a contest of "one-ups," but I also think it'll be hilarious to read. Not sure how I feel about the random explosives, though. It seems counterproductive to conversation/communication. I am all for having a fun date with Ami where we lean into the absurdity of it all, though. ^.^
Hazou's been around Mari enough that I don't think Ami could make Hazou blush, but the hair-braiding part alone is worth my vote. I also suspect that Ami's going to use this to tease Hazou about the Ino/Akane situation he has going on... Which, again, sounds like a lovely scene to read!
Edit2: not sure how I feel about the explosives and some of the conversational details. I'm removing my vote to think about it for a bit.
(also, just figured out how to manually add quotes in an edited post!)
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