Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

RandomOTP · Jul 25, 2020

Dictator4Hire said:
I'll go one step further and suggest that we should ask Ino if she would be willing to have her clan's civilians start to disseminate their basic level (or put another way, in no way classified) psychology either themselves or through our GED. Having civilians able to help other civilians with psychological problems would help alleviate the Yamanaka's manpower shortage (as we saw with her sending a genin with us) as well as allowing civilians to talk to people they can actually open up to as opposed to clan ninja who terrify them by existing in the same postal code as the civilians.

I like that plan. I like that a lot. If you or anyone else throw that into an action plan, you'll have my vote. Though we might want to take into account that Ino is answerable to her clan, and can't afford to make them too unhappy. So, depending on the culture of the Yamanaka Clan, we might need to offer something for the knowledge. And we did just receive a revenue stream of "don't start a new country and you'll be fine."

Edit: Speaking of our "fuck you" levels of wealth, the Hyuuga have little in the way of liquid cash right now, yeah? Is there anything that we want from them that we could negotiate for? We could probably set up a standing bounty of [x] amount of money at the Tower for hyuuga to help with the hospital? I... don't know if the Hyuuga Clan has any goods or services that we might want. It could be an opportunity to keep the Hyuuga from doing anything desperate while also binding the Goketsu closer to some of the older Leaf clans.

Kiba said:
This is going to be political dynamite, including the possibilities of civilians disclosing corruption and blackmail.

No system is perfect. Not even the GED. But this is the sort of thing that needs to be done. This is the sort of thing that's worth doing. We can make plans and do our best to create checks, balances, and whistleblowing policies. But I'd argue that this sort of thing is fundamental to achieving Uplift. It might take years of policy making, decades of correction, and generations of fine-tuning, but someone needs to get the ball rolling.

We could even buy the Nara's time to help crafting such policies. Ask Keiko to look at to see gaps and loopholes that we might've missed. Ask Ami to give it a once-over with her particular brand of insight. Hazou's not alone in this.

Kiba · Jul 25, 2020

RandomOTP said:
No system is perfect. Not even the GED. But this is the sort of thing that needs to be done. This is the sort of thing that's worth doing. We can make plans and do our best to create checks, balances, and whistleblowing policies. But I'd argue that this sort of thing is fundamental to achieving Uplift. It might take years of policy making, decades of correction, and generations of fine-tuning, but someone needs to get the ball rolling.

I am talking about corruption and blackmailing that we are implicit in and allowed under Hazo's watch. Mari, as the person who used blackmail is going to be targeted. She will be punished, perhaps severely so. Maybe, if unlikely, with the death penalty.

I am not going to say it isn't going to result in a better society and whatnot. That would be disingenuous to say. But we may not like what our reform entails for us.

Shrooms · Jul 25, 2020

RandomOTP said:
No system is perfect. Not even the GED. But this is the sort of thing that needs to be done. This is the sort of thing that's worth doing. We can make plans and do our best to create checks, balances, and whistleblowing policies. But I'd argue that this sort of thing is fundamental to achieving Uplift. It might take years of policy making, decades of correction, and generations of fine-tuning, but someone needs to get the ball rolling.

We could even buy the Nara's time to help crafting such policies. Ask Keiko to look at to see gaps and loopholes that we might've missed. Ask Ami to give it a once-over with her particular brand of insight. Hazou's not alone in this.

Also, from my point of view, it's not that it isn't always morally good or that we should be concerned by our ability to execute this plan (although those are worth discussing too), it's that the rest of the ninja of the village are not going to be happy if civilians can report them for crimes, which gives civilians a power over ninja they didn't really have before. The clans are not going to like or support anything that gives civilians more sway over them.

Loony · Jul 25, 2020

[X] Action plan: The wind howls it's defiance

heeeyyyy there's a grammar error in this plan title ;-;

Pharos · Jul 25, 2020

Poor Snowflake, possibly not allowed to be intimate with Ten Ten ever.

Obviously the solution is for Tenten to learn shadow clone as well. We'd then have to apply some sort of genjutsu on her clone to ensure the Tenten clone's memories stay distinct from Tenten herself. The genjutsu would have to alter the clone's worldview just enough that Tenten lacks the context to see the memories as something she herself would have done.

I leave the problem of getting Tenten the Shadow Clone technique up to smarter people...

Edit: God do I love clone shenanigans. It's the only widely acceptable form of polyamory it seems.

Jello_Raptor · Jul 25, 2020

RandomOTP said:
In this context, maybe it means "attracted to?"

This, keep in mind that a bunch of those connections are wild speculation and/or me joking around.

Dissonance · Jul 25, 2020

[X] Action plan: The wind howls it's defiance

Loony said:
heeeyyyy there's a grammar error in this plan title ;-;

Randall Munroe said:
If you want to have more fun at the expense of language pedants, try developing an hypercorrection habit.

Immortal Lurker · Jul 25, 2020

I just thought of an interesting idea to prevent food spoilage. A large, sealed, indestructible chamber that we stole all the air from.

Construct a large chamber with a doorway using MEW. Affix two spirals made of ninja wire to cover the entire internal surface, (including the floor) with both having one end lead out the door. Activate one of the spirals with 5SB. Stick an implosion seal on a timer, and seal the door with MEW. When one 5SB runs out, activate a new one on the other net.

This should store a whole lot of food with no spoilage. Even the tardigrades should die after a couple weeks. Assume even 20% of the volume contains flour, That is about 250 metric tons of flour that we can store. (20% * 0.593 g/cm^3 * 4/6 * pi (10 m * 100 cm/m)^3).

And this scales for a long, long time. Eventually, we could have food stores so large that the sun could go out and Konoha wouldn't have to care.

Sentient Tree · Jul 25, 2020

Immortal Lurker said:
I just thought of an interesting idea to prevent food spoilage. A large, sealed, indestructible chamber that we stole all the air from.

Construct a large chamber with a doorway using MEW. Affix two spirals made of ninja wire to cover the entire internal surface, (including the floor) with both having one end lead out the door. Activate one of the spirals with 5SB. Stick an implosion seal on a timer, and seal the door with MEW. When one 5SB runs out, activate a new one on the other net.

This should store a whole lot of food with no spoilage. Even the tardigrades should die after a couple weeks. Assume even 20% of the volume contains flour, That is about 250 metric tons of flour that we can store. (20% * 0.593 g/cm^3 * 4/6 * pi (10 m * 100 cm/m)^3).

And this scales for a long, long time. Eventually, we could have food stores so large that the sun could go out and Konoha wouldn't have to care.

We'll need to be careful when opening it back up. We don't want air to rush in fast enough to destroy the implosion seal. Drilling a small hole in the door before busting it down should work.

It would be pretty awkward if someone opened their granary up too fast, only to be immediately blown away along with all the grain.

roobee · Jul 25, 2020

Oneiros said:
Spend some time paying our respect to Kakashi with them.

Specifically to any dogs he had as summons or knew well.

little worried this will seem disingenuous. Hazou barely knew kakashi after all.

Oneiros said:
If it needs additional tweaking talk to Tsunade for medical advice.

This is a bigger worry. Tsunade does not like her time wasted. Could a normal medic nin suffice? If a normal medic nin says they don't have the expertise, and refer us to Tsunade. I'd be less worried about Tsunade's anger

faflec · Jul 25, 2020

roobee said:
little worried this will seem disingenuous. Hazou barely knew kakashi after all.

@Oneiros I'm not fully convinced this is a serious issue, but an obvious fix would be to just add that it's sad we didn't know Kakashi well but we still want to pay our respects to him, or something like that. Maybe...

Spend some time paying our respect to Kakashi with them, specifically any dogs he knew well or had contracts with.
- We didn't know him well, and that's sad, but we still want to pay our respects to him.

This will make it 249 words instead of 232, so I think it works out.

Kiba · Jul 25, 2020

faflec said:
@Oneiros I'm not fully convinced this is a serious issue, but an obvious fix would be to just add that it's sad we didn't know Kakashi well but we still want to pay our respects to him, or something like that. Maybe...

Spend some time paying our respect to Kakashi with them, specifically any dogs he knew well or had contracts with.

We didn't know him well, and that's sad, but we still want to pay our respects to him.

This will make it 249 words instead of 232, so I think it works out.

I thought voting closed?

Also, Kakashi did literally save the world, as far as Hazo is concerned.

Cariyaga · Jul 25, 2020

Dictator4Hire said:
I'll go one step further and suggest that we should ask Ino if she would be willing to have her clan's civilians start to disseminate their basic level (or put another way, in no way classified) psychology either themselves or through our GED. Having civilians able to help other civilians with psychological problems would help alleviate the Yamanaka's manpower shortage (as we saw with her sending a genin with us) as well as allowing civilians to talk to people they can actually open up to as opposed to clan ninja who terrify them by existing in the same postal code as the civilians.

Can I get a precommittment from you to vote for such a plan? Not necessarily the one you describe, just one that works with Ino toward my stated ends.

faflec · Jul 25, 2020

Kiba said:
I thought voting closed?

Also, Kakashi did literally save the world, as far as Hazo is concerned.

Velorien's update said that Sunday was an interlude? Anyway, saving-the-world or no, Hazou still didn't really know Kakashi, which is what roobee was getting at FMPOV.

Oneiros · Jul 25, 2020

roobee said:
little worried this will seem disingenuous. Hazou barely knew kakashi after all.

I'm not worried about this at all. Paying respect to a fellow soldiers teammates is not disingenuous at all.

roobee said:
This is a bigger worry. Tsunade does not like her time wasted. Could a normal medic nin suffice? If a normal medic nin says they don't have the expertise, and refer us to Tsunade. I'd be less worried about Tsunade's anger

No. This a unique problem that we should consult the most qualified expert to evaluate it. Since we can't consult Kabuto because people are terrified of Orochimaru we move on to Tsunade

RandomOTP · Jul 25, 2020

Oneiros said:
I'm not worried about this at all. Paying respect to a fellow soldiers teammates is not disingenuous at all.

Especially since Hazou scolded Noburi for privately mocking Hinata for mourning Hiashi. And Hazou loathed Hiashi.

Edit: wasn't there also that one jonin Jiraiya sent with us? The one who once dated Shikaku, was still hung up on him, responded poorly to our CCnJ, and died on the mission? I seem to remember Hazou honestly saying to her family "Tell me more about the person I could've been friends with. You're mourning her as you knew her, I'm mourning the friendship that never was." Or something similar. Point being, it's entirely within Hazou's character to pay respects to a fallen peer, even if he didn't know that peer very well.

faflec · Jul 25, 2020

RandomOTP said:
Especially since Hazou scolded Noburi for privately mocking Hinata for mourning Hiashi. And Hazou loathed Hiashi.

Edit: wasn't there also that one jonin Jiraiya sent with us? The one who once dated Shikaku, was still hung up on him, responded poorly to our CCnJ, and died on the mission? I seem to remember Hazou honestly saying to her family "Tell me more about the person I could've been friends with. You're mourning her as you knew her, I'm mourning the friendship that never was." Or something similar. Point being, it's entirely within Hazou's character to pay respects to a fallen peer, even if he didn't know that peer very well.

Minami was a Chunin who dated Shikamaru, and Hazou went to her funeral seemingly due to pressure from Mari. Hells, Hazou tried to beg off going but everyone else (sans Mari) was either too busy, didn't count as a clan representative, or was Kagome.

Velorien said:
It was Mari-sensei who'd told him to come here. The Minami would probably treat his presence here as an insult, given that they held him partially responsible for their clanswoman's death, but by the same token they would probably treat his absence as an insult as well. In Hazō's opinion, out of the two people who had witnessed Minami's death, Noburi was infinitely more suited to subtle social interaction. Unfortunately, Mari-sensei considered this an excellent practice opportunity since, in her words, "Jiraiya could reveal that he'd secretly been Captain Zabuza all along and it couldn't make our relations worse, so I doubt you'll manage it". Hazō had tried to argue for a different candidate, but Noburi was busy with medic-nin stuff, Keiko had some kind of training that Mari-sensei was unwilling to interrupt, Akane didn't count as a clan representative and Kagome-sensei was Kagome-sensei.

eaglejarl · Jul 25, 2020

@faflec et al

Did you turn in all of Jiraiya's seal notes for Asuma's contest? (Aside from the ones that were exclusive to the what's their names.)

faflec · Jul 25, 2020

eaglejarl said:
@faflec et al

Did you turn in all of Jiraiya's seal notes for Asuma's contest? (Aside from the ones that were exclusive to the what's their names.)

Yes? I'm suddenly afraid that we haven't because of some thing and aieeeeeeeeeeeee

RandomOTP · Jul 25, 2020

eaglejarl said:
Did you turn in all of Jiraiya's seal notes for Asuma's contest? (Aside from the ones that were exclusive to the what's their names.)

I vaguely remember being against it, but I can't recall how the actual vote turned out.

faflec · Jul 25, 2020

RandomOTP said:
I vaguely remember being against it, but I can't recall how the actual vote turned out.

I mean, I recall tons of votes towards doing it and Asuma himself acknowledged that we gave up said notes for the contest in his public speech.

Inferno Vulpix · Jul 25, 2020

eaglejarl said:
@faflec et al

Did you turn in all of Jiraiya's seal notes for Asuma's contest? (Aside from the ones that were exclusive to the what's their names.)

If memory serves, the last time we had this discussion the QM opinion of what we had submitted was 'all sealing notes except for ones otherwise promised (i.e. Daisho) and ones of potentially gamechanging value'.

I'm not sure this is the most recent thing on the matter, but it seems to be a decently official take that was entwined with a winning Action Plan, so it's probably good.

eaglejarl said:
Mari will turn in stuff as voted in the most recent plan:

Note that this says "seal notes", not "seals". The carve-out doesn't make a lot of sense in that context, since it wouldn't have had you turning in any seals whatsoever. Here's the most generous interpretation that I can make; you can pay a Fate Point to make reasonable modifications:

You are going to turn in everything in Jiraiya's notes that Kagome has decoded by the end of the contest that:

... Is theoretical work related to seals, or;

... Is a seal that seems innocuous (eg the lantern seals), or;

... Is a seal that isn't innocuous but also is not clearly overpowered (i.e., err on the side of turning it in)

...and you will not turn in things that have not been decoded, since they might be game-changing seals.

EDIT: Obviously, you're not turning in things that you promised not to turn in, such as the stuff you gave the Da-whathisface guy.

Cariyaga · Jul 25, 2020

And as the 'gamechanging value' seals go -- I'm fine with having given them to Asuma separate of the competition. I just don't want them out in public for the same reason I wouldn't have spread skywalkers publically before turning them into the hokage.

Oneiros · Jul 25, 2020

eaglejarl said:
My understanding is that you turned in the elemental natures study course plus all of the seal theory that you had decoded, with the promise that the rest will come in as soon as it's available. If anyone disagrees with that assessment, speak now or forever hold your peace.

EDIT based on Discord: More specifically, I think you did not turn in any seals. That's what I'm going with unless someone can point to a winning plan that says otherwise.

eaglejarl said:
@faflec et al

Did you turn in all of Jiraiya's seal notes for Asuma's contest? (Aside from the ones that were exclusive to the what's their names.)

ContextBot · Jul 25, 2020

faflec said:
Minami was a Chunin who dated Shikamaru, and Hazou went to her funeral seemingly due to pressure from Mari. Hells, Hazou tried to beg off going but everyone else (sans Mari) was either too busy, didn't count as a clan representative, or was Kagome.

Nikko dated some guy she called Shika not Shikamaru:

Velorien said:
"What else? They're pretty chill. Try not to be too excitable at them—it puts them on edge. Yeah, I'm thinking you're starting to see why Shika and I burned out. That's not to say they don't have their own kind of excitable, but it's all up here," Minami gestured to her forehead, "and it means skipping even more steps than normal, so good luck keeping up.

Or do you think Minami Nikko dated a 13-14 year old guy when she was 16-17?

eaglejarl said:
Mari-sensei cleared her throat. "If you don't mind me asking...how old are you, Minami?"

"Seventeen, why?"

If you anwser "yes" you have to help me marrying Hazou to Ami.

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