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Really the best way to interact with Orochimaru is to give him stuff that he wants. Say if we steal clouds neurology research and drop it off

That doesn't stop Orochimaru from being able to negate on any deal we make.

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[X] Action Plan: Protect, Prevent, Promote
 
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Anko and Kabuto both survived being a servant of Orochimaru and are basically independent agents again. How did they do it?

I find it unlikely Oro would just outright kill us, seems pretty wasteful and we're not really doing anything that threatens his existence. However, it's entirely possible he demands we become his new Kabuto or dissects us, and knowing how to avoid that outcome is paramount. Rolling over and just hoping it doesn't happen is the more dangerous path.
 
Interesting. This suggests that either Leaf won't save Hazou. Orochimaru can pwn Leaf. Or that if Oro takes us, he'll then flee Leaf.

Orochimaru can totally pwn Leaf. I doubt even Tsunade would be able to stop him. She's a badass, but she doesn't seem to have any esoteric knowledge/powers. Best case scenario - she manages to kill Oro once. Then she'll have to look over a shoulder for the rest of her life. The only people in Leaf who probably had enough Forbidden Lore to make Oro stay dead are the Third and Jiraiya.

Hey, guess who's conveniently dead now, so that Orochimaru can do as he pleases?

Anko and Kabuto both survived being a servant of Orochimaru and are basically independent agents again. How did they do it?
Importance of being ordinary in presence of Orochimaru. Bloodlimitless, that is.
 
Importance of being ordinary in presence of Orochimaru. Bloodlimitless, that is.

I thought Kabuto's regeneration ability from canon was exclusive to him (IE a bloodline ability, he just didn't know who his parents were). It let him tank a Rasengan to the gut and not immediately die of organ failure.
Right after he did this, Kabuto specifically mentions that's why orochimaru prized him, because it was something only he could do. I think he left Anko alive in canon because she managed to survive the curse seal and it interested him. I would be interested to hear how these carry over in MfD.

I agree he could probably beat all of leaf combined right now.
 
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Ah, the Ostrich in the Sand Strategy! A classic maneuver.

(I am also quite fond of the Dinosaur playbook, Great Hits from the Cretaceous . The pictures are cool. I think I might have a pop-up version somewhere too.)

Yes I'm sure that remaining entirely ignorant of him and all of his motivations is the best way to go forward. Yup. Total ignorance is the best strategy here.

Yes, we should absolutely do that.

/endsnark
 
Ah, the Ostrich in the Sand Strategy! A classic maneuver.

(I am also quite fond of the Dinosaur playbook, Great Hits from the Cretaceous . The pictures are cool. I think I might have a pop-up version somewhere too.)

Yes I'm sure that remaining entirely ignorant of him and all of his motivations is the best way to go forward. Yup. Total ignorance is the best strategy here.

Yes, we should absolutely do that.

/endsnark

To be fair Mari was supposed to ask around or something. And Hazou has a track record of instead of sticking his head in the sand running headlong into a problem that he could have walked around, if he'd taken the time to look and/or ask someone else to chart a route for him...
 
To be fair Mari was supposed to ask around or something.
Sure, but in the absence of that information (this was almost directly before the everything was derailed by Hiashigate and Holes, so I don't expect this to be a thing that remained a massive priority on Mari's to do list) shouldn't we do something to get it?
 
I thought Kabuto's regeneration ability from canon was exclusive to him (IE a bloodline ability, he just didn't know who his parents were). It let him tank a Rasengan to the gut and not immediately die of organ failure.
Right after he did this, Kabuto specifically mentions that's why orochimaru prized him, because it was something only he could do. I think he left Anko alive in canon because she managed to survive the curse seal and it interested him. I would be interested to hear how these carry over in MfD.

I agree he could probably beat all of leaf combined right now.

I think that was Kabuto's original med-ninjutsu, not a blood limit, but I read one fanfic too many, so it's all kinda messy in my head now.

Also, both Anko and Kabuto had no families and little to no friends, so it could have been just a matter of convenience for Oro.
 
Sure, but in the absence of that information (this was almost directly before the everything was derailed by Hiashigate and Holes, so I don't expect this to be a thing that remained a massive priority on Mari's to do list) shouldn't we do something to get it?

Yeah, but subtly? Like, maybe another layer of distance from the guy himself? Not asking the people that might be in direct contact with him about him. I liked the idea of checking J-mans journals. Or maybe we could check in with Mari if she did find stuff or get her back on that task if not.
Also: I'm not keeping all the different plans in my head, so I'm not sure which one you might be supporting right now ;)
 
Please see provisos at bottom for exception, but...

PSA: If Orochimaru decides to kill you, enslave you, or turn you into a lab specimen, he will succeed. This will probably mean that the quest ends. The QMs will not save you unless there are simulationist reasons to do so. I cannot offhand think of any such reasons that actually apply.

Provisos:
  1. This PSA is pongwog but I would be extremely surprised if @Velorien disagreed.
  2. This PSA is true only until Hazō reaches power threshold X.
  3. I am uncertain exactly what X is.
  4. I am certain that Hazō is not even remotely close to X right now.
  5. I cannot offhand think of anything that is likely to happen in the near future that would move Hazō meaningfully closer to X.
I am not weighing in on whether investigating Orochimaru is more likely to help or harm, I am simply making clear what the stakes are and that you should not count on narrativistic rescue.

Why are we even poking around him again? Bzyantine said it best:

Like I said. No interacting with Oro for any reason.

We can maybe talk with Anko - not loving it, but there's a low chance it goes wrong - but then we need to use what we learn to avoid him. More importantly, as faflec pointed out, Anko still regards him highly and might tell him we asked her about him. We should make sure to have Mari surreptitiously bring up with her social spec, and give her the power to decide to cancel it if it looks like a bad idea, even if this happens mid-conversation. We can always spin it as getting to know someone in the Kei clan.

I thought Kabuto's regeneration ability from canon was exclusive to him (IE a bloodline ability, he just didn't know who his parents were). It let him tank a Rasengan to the gut and not immediately die of organ failure.
Right after he did this, Kabuto specifically mentions that's why orochimaru prized him, because it was something only he could do. I think he left Anko alive in canon because she managed to survive the curse seal and it interested him. I would be interested to hear how these carry over in MfD.

I agree he could probably beat all of leaf combined right now.

I'm nervous about making assumptions from canon because last time we did that regarding Kabuto we were killboxed. Do we even know if Kabuto has regeneration or the cursed seal was a thing in MfD?

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Aannnd voting because no Orochimaru and I do miss Keiko a little bit. I don't want to precommit, but
I will heavily lean towards plans that don't have any hint of Orochimaru. Eaglejarl's post means any precautions will be worthless. The only thing we can do is avoid his attention, and seeking out information on someone is a bad way to do that.
 
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Guys you can vote for my plan and still be safe from Orochimaru. You just have to prep the meeting with Mari and vote to ask her about other stuff. There's no mention of him
 
[X] Action Plan: Protect, Prevent, Promote

I'm actually in favor of gathering intel on Orochimaru, but setting aside that it's the topic du jour I think I like faflec's plan better. Consider me on board for reasonably-prepared intel-gathering about Orochimaru in future plans (or this one, if faflec adds it to his own), as I do not want to find out one day that Mari's genjutsu became real because we stuck our head in the sand until it was too late.
 
Very minor changes, mostly adding telescope stuff (@Kiba) and spending some time with the Dogs. Let me know if you have concerns about this, or anything else in the plan.
[X] Action Plan: Protect, Prevent, Promote
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  • Ikeda's victims:
    • Ask Ino if Yamanaka memory-erasure jutsu could safely remove traumatic memories from kids. Be willing to offer a lot to purchase services, if viable.
    • Speak with the parents of the victims, offer profuse apologies and offers of compensation (monetary and otherwise).
      • In every instance portray yourself as a non-threat here to right a wrong you feel responsible for. Do NOT pressure them into anything.
      • Offer therapy or Yamanaka mindwipe (below) if available.
  • Improve whatever complaints system we have. Ikeda proves ours is insufficient.
    • Ask Gaku what system we have for policing/reporting abuse, then discuss with Mari possible improvements, like protecting whistleblowers or helping encourage victims to come forward.
      • Do research on Konoha's police force/investigatory body, as a model.
    • Would Haru be a good fit for investigator? Aggression aside, he may enjoy investigating those in positions of power.
  • Tell Keiko FOOM.
    • Prep: Check with Mari (at home, obfuscating terminology), especially if others (Ami) could deduce FOOM from Keiko's usage, even with the [below] obfuscations.
    • Setting: Max-OPSEC conditions.
    • CCnJ: We want to share a Clan Secret with you that cannot leak to anyone, especiallyAmi. Are you able to hold this secret under pressure, even if Ami discerns some of the secret herself and pushes you into revealing the rest?
      • Ask Keiko to summon Snowflake for her response.
    • Explain FOOM, then bounce ideas to maintain OPSEC. Examples:
      • Training/getting chakra water via Seventh Path.
      • Sending Snowflake into the Gouketsu Compound for training, under the excuse of "re-establishing relationships" or something.
  • Misc.:
    • Search for & hire local glassworkers to re-invent the telescope.
    • Spend time paying our respect to Kakashi with the Dogs, especially to those he knew well.
    • Continue preexisting research & projects.
 
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