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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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RandomOTP said:
I tried looking for what the Casino seal variants were, but I can't seem to find them... Could someone please remind me as to what they were? I'm afraid that I've forgotten.
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Velorien said:
Keiko has suggested that you could partially compensate for these secondary effects by improving the seal to respond differently to different intensities of detected chakra emission. This would allow you to make educated guesses as to what abilities your enemies were using (as well as recognise and filter out familiar reactions to your own), and avoid distraction from low-level effects like tree walking without missing them altogether.
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For large, flat prairies, wouldnt it be simpler to try and repurpose substitution jutsu to make a mile-long chain of substitutions?
Big dogs space themselves a mile across in a dotted line 8 miles long, then do a sub-chain to get the kids over(since prairie is flat), then run a mile extra each?

Edit: another option is to abuse the summoning process itself, as it costs very little chakra for smaller summons. I dont recall if summons being destroyed returns them to the exact spot they were summoned from, or if that can be fudged. Eg. If is it based on contact anchors or environment, probably we can use our 1 summon to test for that.
 
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Oneiros said:
[X] Action Plan: A brief dive into non-linear time

  • Flash back to Hazou's Birthday
  • During time skip commission a Sharkskin or Megladon leather jacket for Noburi's birthday
  • Answering the Dog Problem:
    • Our solution is three-tiered. Run by Canoe (let her know when you'll be summoning her for this; no need to be rude) to be sure there's no cultural/pride things we'll run afoul of in our suggestions, if Hazou's training is not sufficient for him to know)
    • First, most fast to deploy: Saddlebags sized for dogs with pockets for pups. We also have a jutsu that allows for fine manipulation that does not require hand seals.
      • Pros: Quick to get for them, effective at distributing puppies without harming their necks, or straining their caretakers' mouths, may be stored in storage seals
      • Cons: Doesn't actually help them go any faster for the number of puppies they'd carry
    • Second, basic sleds, pulled by dogs in quick-release halters
      1. Pros: No need to move pups between bags when their caretakers need a break, moderately faster movement, may be stored in storage seals
      2. Cons: Lower comfort due to no shock absorption, difficulty with non-prairie terrain
    • Third, more complex, potentially sealtech constructions
      1. Pros: Faster, higher comfort levels, less exhaustion on caretakers' part
      2. Cons: Dependent on more complex constructions; difficult to replace, sealtech means more dependence on Hazou and dogs that can activate seals, as well as additional failures.
  • Begin work on Casino seal variant we were working on before the chunnin exam tournament
    • Use 2 Fate points to tag aspects ( Jiraiya's notes & Promising Sealing Student)
    • Use SSA when infusing a prototype and spend 48hr on theoretical research before trying again
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I really like this plan. Seems to be moving forward, minimal chance of anything going wrong. One question I do have is how detailed our designs have to be. Would we have to design a quick-release halter?

Something I think we should add is asking Canoe about what the dogs have for fine manipulation. Is it not necessary, do they have jutsu like the snakes, and could they learn Zephyr's Reach.

[X] Action Plan: A brief dive into non-linear time

Inferno Vulpix said:
Ebisu is an outlier case of special Jounin. Special Jounin are formally 'As good as Jounin in a very specialized respect, and thus can be sent on Jounin missions', and in the rosters they count under Jounin. (In practice a Special Jounin is largely 'a clanless Jounin who we don't want to promote to full Jounin for tax reasons').

If anything, Special Jounin would hit the mission-mission-death cycle harder than typical Chuunin or Jounin, because they're being sent on Jounin missions despite not having a fully fleshed out Jounin toolset. (Ebisu, once again, being an exception)
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I like this! The ability to do a bit of handwaving is important, and it's probably much easier to become a special jonin that a full one. What do we know about promotional standards? Is there a special jonin or full jonin exam? I would assume at this level that applying for a promotion and taking mission records and a broad range of subject tests (maybe special jonin is individually passing exams instead of passing all of them) would qualify.

As for the previous update, Snowflake gives us a good excuse as to why we didn't tell Keiko about FOOM. That's something fairly important - if we make the choice not to, how are we going to justify it when it inevitably comes up? I think a combination of Ami, Snowflake, and the Nara gives us a good enough base that we can CCnJ her and hopefully avoid any hard feeling. Throw in guilt about OPSEC failures to top it off and we should be fine.

Speaking of shadow clone, Naruto absolutely has maxed out resolve so we should never ever use presence or intimidation on him. I actually really miss having him around, so I'd be interested in seeing if we can brainstorm ways to get him back. Ideally we'd do something noble that benefits Leaf and hurts us, initiate a conversation with Jiraiya's notes, and then invite him to do something with us. Probably wait a few months for that.

Also I was rereading the section where we joined Leaf and, even if we've taken all the low hanging research fruit, messing around with seals was what got us in this great position to begin with. I definitely think the repelling seals could be used for something great. If we can figure out how to set up a driven oscillator we could have nearly free energy. I'm not sure how to setup a piston with just that - it would lose energy due to friction or turning the crankshaft and eventually we'd hit equilibrium - but there's still potential.
 
[X] Action Plan: R&D Superpowered

Flashback time: Hazo's birthday party.
Prepare a shark trench coat:
  • Fund a team to capture sharks for their leather. Make sure that they are well equipped so they all come back in one pieces.
  • Commission said trench coat.

As usual, consult and sanity check with family.

R&D Initiative:
  • Start a development group for a sled staffed with mostly civilians. Hazo and Kagome may assists in the development process.​
    • Ideally, there will be multiple options, preferably, downgradable or upgradable. Saddlebags for adult doggos, harness & sled, chariot, and sealtech.​
      • Each option have their own pros and cons. Sealtech likely is the best but makes Doggos dependent on the Goketsu clan. Saddlebags is simplest but tiring. Sled likely to work but require more effort to develop. Chariot have less fiction, but more fragile.​
  • Fund a glassworking group to reinvent the telescope.
  • Create a clan-wide reward system for innovation based loosely on Asuma's contest:
    • It is the burden of the applicant to prove that they deserved being rewarded for their work.
      • Looking for: impact and practicality, replicable and teachable.
    • Two types that will be rewarded:
      • Incidental inventions/innovation not directly related to mandated projects
        • This is in addition to existing bonus for project completion.
      • Any inventions or innovation made by independent initiatives.
    • Grants shall be made available to proven inventors to undertake long-term R&D projects of uncertain outcome or for knowledge's sake.
      • inspiration: Hazo made insights using unintended functionality or observation of nature(skywalker, skyslider).
  • Possible rewards:
    • Accolades, money, investments...and so forth.
Sealing:
  • Finish work on the casino seal variant.
Misc:
  • Message the Otter for info where last scroll is located.
 
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[X] Action Plan: R&D Superpowered

I feel like we should give you a chance to get those telescopes @Kiba

Although 'look into optics' is way too vague imho.
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail What is the status of Noburi's candidacy with the Toads, exactly? Chapter 356.2 suggests that he's officially the Toad Summoner, but the prior chapter suggests that this could mean he's merely the placeholder until Asuma trains up a replacement.
 
Kiba said:
[X] Action Plan: R&D Superpowered

Flashback time: Hazo's birthday party.
Prepare a shark trench coat:
  • Fund a team to capture sharks for their leather. Make sure that they are well equipped so they all come back in one pieces. Explosives, especially.
  • Commission said trench coat.

R&D Initiative:
  • Start a development group for a sled, mostly civilians. Hazo and Kagome will likely be involved.​
    • Ideally, there will be multiple options, preferably downgradable: Saddlebags for adult doggos, harness & sled, chariot, and sealtech.​
      • Each with varying pro and con. Sealtech likely is the best but makes Doggos dependent on the Goketsu clan. Saddlebags is simplest but tiring. Sled likely to work but require effort to develop. Chariot is good, but likely fragile.​
  • Fund a glassworking group to look into optics and telescope.
  • Create a clan-wide reward system for innovation:
    • It is the burden of the applicant to prove that they deserved being rewarded for their work.
    • Any incidental innovations and inventions made during a project but not directly related to primary objective will be rewarded in accordance to usefulness and impact.
      • Project progression should already be rewarded.
    • Any inventions or innovation made by independent initiatives will also be rewarded.
    • Grants will be made available to researchers who proven themselves for long term R&D effort that may or may not pan out.
      • This need not result in practical inventions but for the sake of research.
Sealing:
  • Finish work on the casino seal variant.
Misc:
  • Message the Otter for info where last scroll is located.
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Added the Otter.
 
Kinda skipped the discussion but with the "Keiko clone sounding like Ami" thing, I considered the possibility that the Ami we know has herself always been a clone.
 
[X] Action Plan: R&D Superpowered

Still not completely sure what all the hype is about telescopes, but I'm sure it'll lead to some interesting lore. Besides, creating a bounty on innovation seems like a good thing to do. We'll probably get some return on our investment in education, thus proving to Leaf that educating civilians is worth the effort and, hopefully, inspire them to do the same.

Edit: added some words to clarify my intent. As a future educator, education means a lot to me and I didn't want to give the impression that I was sourly waiting for some return on a financial investment. Personally, I think that education is worth it for its own sake, but the people of the Elemental Nations likely need some amount of return. The world they live in is simply too harsh for them to care, otherwise.
 
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Byzantine said:
Probably not. She doesn't have Shadow Clone
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As far as WE know anyways. But yes it's highly unlikely to be a shadow clone.

What is it that gives the shadow clone it's unique properties, and can it be partially replicated in other techniques?
Byzantine said:
But she is doing something to offset the effect of the Frozen Skein. And it is probably horrifying.
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Yes. While the thought that we've never met the real Ami is hilarious, it's just a thought. The practical implication is that Ami, like the clone, is partially or totally absent the frozen skein.

We don't know how or why, it may not be horrifying. What if she's simply missing the bloodline? Somebody cheated? And she's smart enough to fake having it. Unlike magical eyes or unique jutsu, thinking a certain way is much less flashy, perhaps easier to fake or miss as a result. Mori Ami may not be a Mori. Or maybe she's a super-Mori? Did the moon hit her eye?

roobee said:
I don't think Ami would be nearly as smart if she were a SC with the Frozen Skein deprived.
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... I'm not following the logic here? Clones aren't as smart, or Ami needs the Skein to be smart?

I mean, if she is a clone presumably she'd be renewed or updated with the original's memories occasionally, complete with various insights. If clone can plan and original can fix plans, they can bounce ideas off of their own modified mind. Elite brainstorming on par or even beyond the Nara anytime you have a modicum of privacy, and without the Nara clan flaw.

It might also explain acting ability/ mood swings, whatever was going on with that whole thing.

Psst, hey Keiko, you should try it out.
 
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redzonejoe said:
Yes. While the thought that we've never met the real Ami is hilarious, it's just a thought. The practical implication is that Ami, like the clone, is partially or totally absent the frozen skein.
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I think we might've met the "real" Ami at least once. When Ami first meets Hazou, she doesn't have as good a grasp on his character. So when Hazou says that he's annoyed by her pretending [to like him], she mistakenly believes him to be talking about her "personality protocols." Ami immediately drops all of her masks, has a blank expression and a flat voice. Hazou's shocked by the sudden change, Ami realizes her error, seems to throw a mask on and then proceeds to confuse the heck out of Hazou.

Personally, based on the crumbs that Ami has dropped since (namely: Ami's advice to both Hazou and Mari), I think that all of Ami's "masks" are in some way the "true" Ami. She seems to consider them all herself, anyway. But whether that's through natural inclination, mental trauma, magical chakra fuckery, or some combination thereof, I don't know. But I strongly suspect that the "no mask" Ami was just her wearing a mask of what she thought Hazou would think a "no mask Ami" would be like.

Edit: Also, considering that the Yin/Yang, Mind/Body chakra types exist --as per Enma's slip up --then we could even ponder if Ami has, in some way, damaged her Yin chakra. Since, in canon at least, Yin applies to the mind, we could argue that there's some involvement there (though I could easily see it being that Ami has an excess of Yin, rather than a deficiency, or damage of some sort). Especially if the Mori bloodline interacts with Yin chakra. And, as a cognitive bloodline, I find it hard to believe that the FS doesn't interact with Yin chakra in at least some way.
 
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