@Velorien Does Hazou know about the mugging and Haru's response to it?

Edit Oops, @eaglejarl.
No.

Does Hazou know that Haru's using clan techniques to beat up civilians?
No. (EDIT: Also, he didn't beat up any civilians with clan techniques. He broke a table, that's all.)

Well, on one hand, I'm not sure I like Haru being a part of the corruption.
What corruption? Haru was simply doing some ninja training, in full conformance with all Leaf laws and regulations. It's purely a coincidence that said training happened to involve quickly destroying a building that a bunch of civilians were taking too long to destroy.

On the other, he's promising more till/fill missions in return for a safe spot to practice training --can Haru do that, or is he utilizing Hazou's predetermined intentions to increase these missions to his own ends?
He wasn't actually promising any missions, merely making the point that the definition is being expanded such that (e.g.) a construction foreman could post such missions if so desired.

Haru is helping them with destroying their building, not conducting training.
Lies! That might be illegal, and Haru would never get caught breaking the law in a way that would cause problems for his faction. He explicitly stated that he was following the law and merely conducting training.
 
I'm more concerned with the guy that Haru just ordered killed. Did Hazō order/know about that? If the yakuza guy can't find the perpetrator quick he's just going to pick an innocent man who looks the part. Not exactly my idea of a good way to bring about 'justice.'
 

This... could go poorly. Not just because Hazou doesn't like murder, but also because Haru sees it less as "murder" and more "protecting the downtrodden." We might want to tackle this disconnect from a "we have a lot of plans at work, like [EN equivalent of] cogs in a machine, and something as disruptive as murder will have drastic consequences for those plans. And the endgoal of each plan is Uplift."

Also, it's Spring Break for me, so I have a lot of time on my hands. I was just thinking about how unique Isan's culture is. Formal, traditional, and insane, but wondrously detailed and vibrant. Full of life and history. It's a wonderful addition to the story and Yuno --having been shaped by that society --is a delight. Thanks @eaglejarl and @Velorien!
 
I was just thinking about how unique Isan's culture is. Formal, traditional, and insane, but wondrously detailed and vibrant. Full of life and history. It's a wonderful addition to the story and Yuno --having been shaped by that society --is a delight. Thanks @eaglejarl and @Velorien!
Thanks!

Also, it's Spring Break for me, so I have a lot of time on my hands.
Oh? Then where's my gorram *Time and Tide* update? Hop to it, slacker! ;>
 
Haru is so good. He really is the best lieutenant we could have asked for.

HAZOU: Hi!
HARU: Hello. (subtextually: ) Fuck off clan-bastard, you can't comprehend my suffering!
HAZOU: What if I gave you every excuse to punch all the injustice in the village to death?
HARU: (already putting on a Gouketsu coat) Done.

He's not the hero we deserve, but he's the hero we need.
 
This... could go poorly. Not just because Hazou doesn't like murder, but also because Haru sees it less as "murder" and more "protecting the downtrodden." We might want to tackle this disconnect from a "we have a lot of plans at work, like [EN equivalent of] cogs in a machine, and something as disruptive as murder will have drastic consequences for those plans. And the endgoal of each plan is Uplift."

I'm not sure how aware he is of just how precarious Goketsu's position in the village really is. I think he just assumes the clans are more or less the same with different flavors.
 
Oh? Then where's my gorram *Time and Tide* update? Hop to it, slacker! ;>

Honestly? Trying to figure out how to write Hiruzen! x3

He's an old man who's seen and done a lot of horrible things, and still believes in the Will of Fire. But he's also far more militant than many would first see, and he'd do a lot of horrible things in the name of the Leaf --even though he might not necessarily like it. I'm having trouble writing that, but I don't want to do a subpar job, so... I'm wrestling with it. I hope that it'll be out by the end of the month, though. I've posted a short blurb and then a slightly longer Kushina interlude. Her character's gonna be pretty far removed from canon because... wait, this is the wrong thread for that. Sorry!

I'm not sure how aware he is of just how precarious Goketsu's position in the village really is. I think he just assumes the clans are more or less the same with different flavors.

Maybe it's worth explaining? Knowledge and insight can only broaden horizons, but if Haru better understands the system that he wants to change then he'll be able to change it in a more effective, longer-lasting, hopefully-bloodless way... We just might need to convince him on the "bloodless" part. Maybe. I don't have a good grasp of his character, but then again (*points to all my previous posts*) I'm not exactly the most observant person under the sky.
 
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Questions for skyslider assuming we're successful:

1) How long it would take for villages to reverse engineer upon sight of skyslider.

2) How long it would take for villages to reverse engineer upon acquiring a copy of skyslider.

3) How likely it is for villages to screw up the process of reverse engineering or engineering their own version of skyslider, and how many weeks of delay we might be talking about?
 
This... could go poorly. Not just because Hazou doesn't like murder, but also because Haru sees it less as "murder" and more "protecting the downtrodden." We might want to tackle this disconnect from a "we have a lot of plans at work, like [EN equivalent of] cogs in a machine, and something as disruptive as murder will have drastic consequences for those plans. And the endgoal of each plan is Uplift."

OTOH Haru very deliberately didn't personally kill anyone or even really injure anyone. If on the complaint of a ninja, the yakuza does what it always claims to do in its press releases and punishes a violent thug who assaulted a nice civilian lady (because they do "civilized crime" and insist that anyone caught up in it came to them first) then who exactly is going to complain here?

EDIT: Haru is making a serious effort to "work the system" and maintain some plausible deniability, is what I'm saying. I for one appreciate the effort.
 
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Questions for skyslider assuming we're successful:

1) How long it would take for villages to reverse engineer upon sight of skyslider.

2) How long it would take for villages to reverse engineer upon acquiring a copy of skyslider.

3) How likely it is for villages to screw up the process of reverse engineering or engineering their own version of skyslider, and how many weeks of delay we might be talking about?

Well, Hazou's basically having to fund an entire exploration into aerodynamics, so I doubt that any Village without sufficient experience in that will pick it up as quickly as they did the skywalkers. Skywalkers just took fuuinjutsu knoweledge and some creativity, but skygliders take a little bit more. Personally, I think that Cloud might be the Village quickest to recreate them --high altitudes allow for a certain familiarity with air and ample enough room to work --but I wonder if they'd have the wood to spare. They might be hampered by their lack of natural resources enough that another village reverse engineers it first. Not to mention who knows what their R&D is like.
1) If it's just by sight, and not backed by information gathered by spies, I'd say at least 2-4 months of constant, dedicated research. Provided nothing goes wrong. A more realistic timetable would be 3-6, I think. It depends on how long it takes us to create a working skyglider the hard way and the quality of our research team in comparison to other, foreign research teams. By sight, enemy villages get the advantage of a rough idea of what a skyglider should look like. But they also have to go through all the experimentation that we had to, as well. At which point it becomes a matter of how good that village's R&D department is and how good our clan's is relative to theirs. If it's actually the enemy village even takes up the project instead of just an enemy clan with resources roughly similar to the Goketsu --as opposed to a whole village's.​
1.5) For example: the Leaf's Tower would have more resources than we would to throw towards this project.​
2) If it's not backed by stolen research, courtesy of spies, then I'd say, if everything goes right the first time, 1-3 months. Depending on how good their R&D department is and how complex/delicate Skygliders are. They might ruin their stolen one in the process of taking it apart, requiring another one. And again, this is assuming that it's the village government itself that sponsors it, and not just a clan in an enemy village. And how good their knowledge of aerodynamics is. They might try to remove critical parts just because they don't understand how necessary they are for flight --thus causing delays or outright ruining their stolen copy.​
3) I'd say that delays and screw ups would be pretty frequent, providing that they don't have any of the research that we've acquired via testing. I'd say at least 3-9 total weeks of delays, spread across in varying amounts at each stage of development. Think about how long "materials" is delaying us. Maybe even longer if they get stuck at a particularly rough stage. We might want to lock down any physical information we've acquired on this (blueprints, musings about "the nature of air spirits" and whatnot).​

@eaglejarl, will the bit of aerodynamics that Hazou's discovered (or will discover) in the process of making Skygliders be applicable to wind-chakra techniques?

EDIT: Haru is making a serious effort to "work the system" and maintain some plausible deniability, is what I'm saying. I for one appreciate the effort.

Upon rereading the chapter, I think my lingering wariness is just from where I didn't realize that Haru was twisting the rules to figure out a way to help the civilians. During my first read, I thought it was exactly what Haru was saying --that he needed a place to train. I even made a post about it (just a few up, I think. I'm not an observant human being) but was quickly helped out.

Given time to think about it, I'm a little more at ease with Haru's character than I was a few chapters ago. Yeah, Haru's has some anger issues and should probably treat his stepfamily with a little more kindness, but he's also a teenager --going through Thor knows how many chakra-amped hormonal changes --and he's faced an assload of civilian/clanless discrimination all of his life. Remember the hospital visit where he comforted the child (think it was his stepsister)? I don't think Haru had anyone to do that for him, when he was a child. So Haru had to grow a thick skin and learn how to deal with it, but he also doesn't want anyone else to "learn to deal with it." He's a little rough around the edges, but he seems to have a kind heart.

Hopefully he'll relax around our clan (and his new stepfamily) and we can provide a space where he feels safe revealing his kind heart more often. I mean, if we can help Kagome enough that he voluntarily teaches Honoka, a Leaf ninja-to-be, I think we can help a superpowered teenager with a chip on his shoulder show off his big heart a bit more.

Edit: Random Thought
Just thought of an in-character reason for Hazou to want to test lead --and other metals --for healthiness in regards to sanitation. He was taught fuuinjutsu by Kagome, who specializes in explosions. Kagome is... vigilant, so he likely knows the dangers of leaving shrapnel/debris in wounds --hell, Kagome's probably learned it firsthand. And Kagome, who genuinely loves Hazou and only wishes the best for his little socially-stunted student, would more than likely pass along the dangers of leaving explosion-related debris in wounds (and who knows, maybe seal-related shrapnel has lingering chakra in it that can cause esoteric effects on wounds?). So Hazou is aware of this. And he also knows that the sanitation is going to be around the human body a lot. Open parts of the human body. And Kagome's stressed the dangers that can happen when metal gets in the body. Or maybe Hazou just worries about the worst-case scenario --which, given his history, he has cause to do.

So, out of his naturally high paranoia in regards to safety (engendered due to Kagome and Missing Nin days), Hazou's going to set up trials and experiments on what these metals do to living things. Maybe something like feeding nonvital animals from food/water buckets that also have a bar of metal welded into them (with each group of animals having a different metal and then a control group to compare)? Or maybe feeding/watering animals chosen for this specific purpose from buckets of feed/water that have metal shavings in them? No clue how the actual experimentation would work, but I think I've logic-ed around Hazou's personality enough to provide sufficient reasoning for why he'd set up safety trials for the metals. I mean, he was taught by Kagome, lived as a missing nin, and holds the health/wellness of human beings in a startlingly high, I'll-change-the-world levels of regard. So if he thinks that the metal could be a potential danger, then Hazou's going to poke at it until he finds a workaround.
 
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Edit: Just thought of an in-character reason for Hazou to want to test lead --and other metals --for healthiness in regards to sanitation. He was taught fuuinjutsu by Kagome, who specializes in explosions. Kagome is... vigilant, so he likely knows the dangers of leaving shrapnel/debris in wounds --hell, Kagome's probably learned it firsthand. And Kagome, who genuinely loves Hazou and only wishes the best for his little socially-stunted student, would more than likely pass along the dangers of leaving explosion-related debris in wounds (and who knows, maybe seal-related shrapnel has lingering chakra in it that can cause esoteric effects on wounds?). So Hazou is aware of this. And he also knows that the sanitation is going to be around the human body a lot. Open parts of the human body. And Kagome's stressed the dangers that can happen when metal gets in the body. Or maybe Hazou just worries about the worst-case scenario --which, given his history, he has cause to do.

So, out of his naturally high paranoia in regards to safety (engendered due to Kagome and Missing Nin days), Hazou's going to set up trials and experiments on what these metals do to living things. Maybe something like feeding nonvital animals from food/water buckets that also have a bar of metal welded into them (with each group of animals having a different metal and then a control group to compare)? Or maybe feeding/watering animals chosen for this specific purpose from buckets of feed/water that have metal shavings in them? No clue how the actual experimentation would work, but I think I've logic-ed around Hazou's personality enough to provide sufficient reasoning for why he'd set up safety trials for the metals. I mean, he was taught by Kagome, lived as a missing nin, and holds the health/wellness of human beings in a startlingly high, I'll-change-the-world levels of regard. So if he thinks that the metal could be a potential danger, then Hazou's going to poke at it until he finds a workaround.
An excellent call. Good thought.
 
What Haru did was somewhat extreme but it will be a big deterrent for any Yakuza trying to mess with Goketsu civilians.

It's still a murder but at least it's not a literal boatload of murder. :V
 
All this demolition work gave me the funny thought of chakra asbestos killing our ninja in twenty years time. But more seriously, while being the drive for new incredible advances, how can one make sure not to do more harm than good? The Kagome approach to sealing might be the best for finding out immediate problems with seals, but what about long term problems? What if storage seals turn stored items slightly radioactive? How do we make sure that we are not creating the equivalent of leaded combustible with our next creation? We need lab mice stat.

The scary thing is if all storage seals return things that are just a little different - but close enough to be imperceptible.

A ball of yarn whose threads were wound counterclockwise instead of clockwise.

A kunai with a nick on the left instead of the right.

An old left handed mitten returned exactly the same, burn marks and all, except now its a right handed mitten.

An old childhood photograph with you in a sleeved shirt instead of sleeveless...

Then watch as the world catches on and the ninja drown in paranoia of the Mandela Effect.

For extra fridge horror, it also affects anything affected by jutsu that manipulates space/time.
 
This... could go poorly. Not just because Hazou doesn't like murder, but also because Haru sees it less as "murder" and more "protecting the downtrodden." We might want to tackle this disconnect from a "we have a lot of plans at work, like [EN equivalent of] cogs in a machine, and something as disruptive as murder will have drastic consequences for those plans. And the endgoal of each plan is Uplift."

Also, it's Spring Break for me, so I have a lot of time on my hands. I was just thinking about how unique Isan's culture is. Formal, traditional, and insane, but wondrously detailed and vibrant. Full of life and history. It's a wonderful addition to the story and Yuno --having been shaped by that society --is a delight. Thanks @eaglejarl and @Velorien!
I think that right now, people are committed to dead by ninja all the time and this is fine. We can't expect the murderchild to understand "killing bad" as soon as we adopt him.

Hazou is the weird one who can't get away with this because he keeps trying to make committed to dead Orochimaru and Jiraiya and the Third Hokage. Remember he killed lots of people on that one boat.
 
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God I love Haru. He is everything I wanted out of a lieutenant
A bit of a wrecking ball, but he does seem to have internalized "Gouketsu vs The World" as a valid alternative to "Haru vs The World".


Oh? Then where's my gorram *Time and Tide* update? Hop to it, slacker! ;>
It puts another thousand words in the narrative or else it gets the hose again...


What Haru did was somewhat extreme but it will be a big deterrent for any Yakuza trying to mess with Goketsu civilians.

It's still a murder but at least it's not a literal boatload of murder. :V

Hey, if murdering a literal boatload of babies was good enough for King Arthur and Merlin, who are we to judge?


The scary thing is if all storage seals return things that are just a little different - but close enough to be imperceptible.

A ball of yarn whose threads were wound counterclockwise instead of clockwise.

A kunai with a nick on the left instead of the right.

An old left handed mitten returned exactly the same, burn marks and all, except now its a right handed mitten.

An old childhood photograph with you in a sleeved shirt instead of sleeveless...

Then watch as the world catches on and the ninja drown in paranoia of the Mandela Effect.

For extra fridge horror, it also affects anything affected by jutsu that manipulates space/time.

New storage scroll variation: items are returned with half of their quarks CP-inverted.
 
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