Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Noumero
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@Oneiros' plan, with some major changes.
[x] Action Plan: Questing for Ultimate Power Sure Involves Lots of Meetings
Wordcount: 399
Timeframe: 7 days.
- Heavily modified the Kagome section. Focused it, removed redundancies, and removed suggestions for what to do if Honoka is/isn't endangered: I'm sure it's something Kagome would and wantto do himself.
- Removed suggesting using Noburi to check children for the potential to be ninja and using the Gouketsu school to demonstrate better early-childhood education.
- The former because 1) yuck let's not rope Noburi into time-consuming assignments where he'll be sent outside the village randomly without our input and 2) yuck let's not draw even more attention to the Vampric Dew.
- The latter because 1) we're teaching civilians, not ninja, whom no-one cares about, 2) it was open for less than a month, I don't think we have any credible results.
- Modified the "use Hazou as a bridge between Leaf and Mist" to be more in-line with what I think @Oneiros and @Inferno Vulpix had agreed on in Discord. Does that work for you two?
- Expanded on using the Seventh Path for trade.
- Added reasoning for sending Yuno along with us.
- Added my (cursed) Condor Scroll section.
[x] Action Plan: Questing for Ultimate Power Sure Involves Lots of Meetings
Wordcount: 399
Timeframe: 7 days.
- Sanity-check everything with the clan.
- Talk to Kagome. Bring Mari, Noburi, and cookies (comfort food).
- Beforehand: Search hospital records for evidence of Ebisu's claims. Find details/numbers of crippled kids. Approach survivors, get their stories.
- Convey Ebisu's concerns to Kagome. Show our collected evidence. How does he want to proceed?
- We believe Kagome knows what he's doing and Honoka's fine, but we need to prove this. Leaf holds Ebisu's teaching skills in high regard. Taking his concern seriously would greatly improve his opinion of Kagome, in turn helping our educational reforms.
- Especially if we prove him wrong. He'd already demonstrated the willingness to readily admit mistakes, and is thus probably one of the most sensible people we've met.
- Kagome can keep training Honoka in either case. Everyone involved just wants to ensure she's safe.
- Meet with Asuma. (Work with the clan to improve ideas' presentation.)
- Submit Ebisu's findings and suggested reforms.
- Ask permission to have Yuno join our pilgrimage and Mist trip (undercover as a minor-clan/clanless Leaf ninja?). Reasoning:
- Bonding with potential future clanmates.
- Cultural education. Mist would make Leaf look better in comparison.
- Ensures she isn't alienated by having been left alone.
- The Condor Scroll. (Do only if Mari's fully on-board with playing this role.)
- Explain the Condors' situation. If the Scroll's taken, Conjura won't be cooperative because Leaf also houses the Pangolins. The Pangolins'll request to caldera it, or it'll lay fallow until Conjura's hunted down (which may take years).
- You suspect a deal could be made for indirectly moderating Pangolin aggression or covertly providing Condors resources in exchange for powerful jutsu/summoning contracts. But that'd require a skilled negotiator as the Summoner...
- (Don't venture Mari's candidature explicitly unless Asuma asks for suggestions.)
- Submit the idea of using Seventh Path for trade and communication.
- Requires 2+ cooperating Clans. Each sends representatives to all other involved Clans, and gives representatives' contracts to their Summoner. This essentially connects all involved Clans and Summoners into one instant-travel network.
- Linking all Leaf Scrolls this way would be good.
- Does Mist have a Scroll? If yes, should we negotiate for involving them when we're there, for inter-village trade?
- (Beforehand, determine what trade opportunities it'd create. Example: seafood, since it'd remain fresh.)
- Conduct creative training daily.
- Regularly socialize with Clan Head peers. Game nights, spars, casual dinners. Focus on those you haven't interacted much with, such as Hinata, Shino.
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I believe you are over thinking this.
If I were Akane and my ex called me too stupid to understand why we broke up I would be annoyed with them and walk away grumpily too.
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I'll ask again: What are the actual ramifications of this? Are we expected to become Leaf's liaison to Mist xor wander between the two countries xor something?
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I think that this would just prove to her that we had something to do with that.
It's a way to turn this into civ quest with Mist becoming more closely tied to Leaf. We might want to be careful about how we go about it, others might think we're second guessing our loyalty to the Leaf or that we've been spies this whole time if we do this wrong.
Humans aren't simple beings, whatever most of modern media might depict. There are always emotions bubbling below the surface and there are a thousand and two different biological, mental, and emotional pressures for any given action we take. So there would be more than mere "annoyance," especially if that ex was also your close friend and being deliberately cruel was extremely out of character for that friend. There would be hurt and confusion and betrayal. So you go to the person who's always helped you out: your mentor/mother Mari. And then things are explained. Hazou was having a mental episode from an illness that you still don't really understand. Then queue the aforementioned emotional roller coaster.
I think that everything I've said is entirely plausible, given what we know of Akane's character. Maybe a bit much? Well, her circumstances are a bit much, aren't they? Besides, it would explain why Mari and Kagome are suddenly so on-guard about Hazou's Out-Infection. They were calming down because it seemed like Hazou was getting better, but then something this drastic happens and it has them back to full-watchfulness. They would know through Akane herself.
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- USA
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Please clarify what this means in practical terms.
Noumero
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If I understand @Inferno Vulpix and @Oneiros correctly, it just means that Ren and Asuma will agree to refer to Hazou/the Gouketsu in some situations as proof that Leaf/Mist cooperation is a good idea.
On reflection, I find the idea very vague still. I'll remove that item for now. @Inferno Vulpix, @Oneiros, could you expand on what this is supposed to entail?
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Is there a reason we stopped including Ami-style training in plans?
Also @eaglejarl I know it's too late to change but was wondering. Considering we are allowed to do one ami-style training per IC day (at least for velorien updates. I don't know if you use a different approach) is there a reason why below
Also @eaglejarl I know it's too late to change but was wondering. Considering we are allowed to do one ami-style training per IC day (at least for velorien updates. I don't know if you use a different approach) is there a reason why below
we only tried one ami-style training instead of 7 over the 7 day update?
Noumero
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@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail, what is Yuno's status in Leaf? From a legal standpoint, I'm guessing she's just a random missing-nin. Practically, Leaf needs her cooperation to use her as a lever to take over Isan. Is she allowed to leave Leaf whenever she wants? Alternatively, is she essentially a prisoner only allowed out with an escort and for short periods of time?
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Considering that the whole OUT thing makes it harder for Hazou to sometimes understands other people, we need a non OUT Hazou.
So maybe we should spend a fate point (and possible buy resolve 25) and have Hazou talk to one of his SC? They don't have the IN so they might not have any OUT influence.
Basically we need Snowflake-Hazou to explain to him what he did wrong and possible even have one talk to Akane about this.
So maybe we should spend a fate point (and possible buy resolve 25) and have Hazou talk to one of his SC? They don't have the IN so they might not have any OUT influence.
Basically we need Snowflake-Hazou to explain to him what he did wrong and possible even have one talk to Akane about this.
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I'm still... cautiously on board with PotO Hazou, provided that Vel enjoys writing it. He's giving it a fair shot and, if Vel finds that he doesn't love writing it, then I'd automatically be swayed against PotO.
Besides, this most recent chapter makes me wonder if Out Hazou would have that impact in his personal life. I mean, Out-Infected isn't PotO, so it might solidify/evolve into something beneficial, but now I'm also worrying that Hazou's personal life will suffer. Because PotO might mean that he goes in the opposite direction and becomes scarily-insightful and frighteningly convincing. And anyone who can stare into the depths of your soul without consent and then use that to convince you to their side is... unnerving at best and traumatizing at worst.
I'd be okay with your plan, though. It builds roads for it Vel decides he doesn't want to write Out-Hazou (which is completely okay and more than acceptable. He's given it a fair shot when he didn't particularly have to and I respect him all the more for it.) and it would also allow a PotO Hazou to have a normal-self to bounce ideas off of, in addition to his family... though that might negatively feed back into a diminished social life...
...I'm starting to see a lot of potential problems with PotO, especially because we don't know much about it. The what if's are so very tantalizing and so very terrifying.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
It's a little vague on my end too, but here's my thought process:
- Both Asuma and Ren are invested in keeping the Leaf-Mist alliance strong, and Ren in particular we know has internal detractors against the alliance.
- Hazou is a Leaf-nin with blood relation to Hana, a Mist Jounin in good standing, and Ren, the Mizukage.
- It seems very plausible to me that Asuma and Ren should be able to leverage that fact in their respective powerbases to encourage support for the alliance or mitigate opposition.
- It also seems plausible that Asuma and Ren could achieve more potency with this tactic if they have an explicitly cooperative Hazou and tacit permission from the other Kage to strengthen the alliance in this way.
- As such, we can offer our explicit cooperation to Asuma on being a symbolic bridge between Leaf and Mist, and pass on our explicit cooperation and Asuma's tacit permission to Ren, so that she can do the same. In my estimation this should not take much political skill from Hazou to properly execute.
- As for what Asuma and Ren choose to do with this, and what they ask of Hazou in accordance with it... I doubt Asuma would send us on diplomatic missions we aren't qualified for, and I doubt Ren would go so far as to make us an ambassador to Mist, but we might find ourselves asked to go over to Mist now and then or somesuch. Since I see a fair amount of interest in getting Hazou involved in international diplomacy, I think this state of affairs won't trouble people much, and it would serve as a good way to get our feet wet wrt international diplomacy before we've grinded up the relevant skills.
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Shoutout to @faflec, @ContextBot, @Noumero, and everyone else I may have forgotten to mention. A Hazou-specific Snowflake scene sounds great!
[x] Action Plan: Mirror Mirror on the Wall, How Has Hazou Dropped the Ball
Time Span: A... few days?
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[x] Action Plan: Mirror Mirror on the Wall, How Has Hazou Dropped the Ball
Time Span: A... few days?
Words: 339
- Meet with Asuma. (Double-check with the clan.)
- Bring Mari-suggested non-bribe flowers/fruit basket as thanks for welcoming us into the Leaf so warmly
- it means... more to us than we have the words to say
- Inquire about crippled ninja and Academy dropouts
- how are they currenty being utilized, if at all
- would Asuma be okay with us offering them a job --being trained to draw/charge the most basic seals
- Tower is low on seals and this helps
- Doesn't have to be from our clan, it could be Tower-sponsered
- Benefiting our clan would be nice but this is more about helping the Leaf than personal gain
- Report on Ebisu's findings and suggested reforms.
- Ask permission to have Yuno join our pilgrimage and Mist trip (under cover as a minor-clan/clanless Leaf ninja?). Reasoning:
- Bonding with potential future clanmates.
- Cultural education. Mist would make Leaf look better in comparison.
- Ensures she isn't alienated by having been left alone.
- Bring Mari-suggested non-bribe flowers/fruit basket as thanks for welcoming us into the Leaf so warmly
- Honoka
- Prep:
- Search Leaf General Hospital's archives to verify Ebisu's claims.
- Get details/numbers of crippled kids.
- Talk to survivors and get their stories.
- Follow-up on other leads.
- Mari
- Ask about Mist's style of training, versus Kagome's, versus Leaf's
- How's Kagome's training stand up?
- Does she think Honoka'll be okay?
- How's Kagome's training stand up?
- Ask about Mist's style of training, versus Kagome's, versus Leaf's
- Schedule a Meeting with Tsunade
- If unavailable, send an official message
- Explain plight, plus Hospital Info and Mari's analysis
- Request her recommendation for a medic nin for Honoka's specific case
- We're willing to negotiate
- Tsunade's a busy woman and we understand she needs this to be productive on her end, too
- If unavailable, send an official message
- Search Leaf General Hospital's archives to verify Ebisu's claims.
- Prep:
- Hanzou-specific Snowflake Scene
- Spend fate point and buy resolve 25 to talk to SC with family near us, a la Keiko's "Snowflake Encounter"
- Have Family with us
- We've been infected by Out and need to see ourselves as others see us
- Forced introspection without the veil of the Out coloring our thoughts
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Noumero
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Mm-hm. I see what you're getting at, but I don't think it'll be very effective; or rather, that Hazou offering his explicit cooperation would have much value. If there'll be an instance where Hazou's involvement would have non-negligible positive impact on the alliance, I expect Ren/Asuma to proactively seek him out regardless. Knowing that the other Kage would cooperate on this is a subcategory of knowing that the other Kage is interested in keeping the alliance, and I'm sure they already know each other's stances on that.
A better way to achieve the same result, with regards to the alliance, would be to schedule some kind of regular formal function that requires one village's ninja to travel to the other, or something along these lines. A glaring reminder that they're friendly with each other now.
A better way to achieve the same result, with regards to getting involved in diplomacy, would be to proactively ask Asuma for permissions to travel to Mist to do X on a case-by-case basis; he has proven he'll be willing to cooperate on that.
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Maybe training in the Iron Nerve? I doubt that it would work, since bloodline secrets are so closely guarded, but it's a thought
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I'd also like to suggest using this method for long-distance communications, such as between Konoha and Tanzaku Gai, or between Leaf and Mist, or between the Hokage and any Summoners on missions.
Also, I'd like to have Hazou do some research on what trade could become viable, or at least more cost-effective. I mentioned shrimp and similar shellfish could be imported to Leaf via Summoning Realm since they can actually stay fresh, maybe there are other things Hazou can find out, like chakra monster parts.
Noumero
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Done WRT the former. Regarding the latter...
- Isn't food frequently transported via storage scrolls anyway, and therefore stays fresh? The "Meating Mist" interlude comes to mind.
- Mist/Leaf trade is undoubtedly a well-explored topic IC, Hazou's autopilot is unlikely to provide any novel insights.
- Inter-Clan trade, and trade between Clans and Leaf/Mist, isn't something we can speculate about, since we have no working Scrolls at the moment and no detailed information about other Clans' situation.
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Only if you have the money to afford a ninja, AND can afford to get them to use a storage seal for you. Baikan's caravan comes to mind.
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That was quite unusual, actually. Ninja typically don't bother with trade and civilians typically don't own storage seals.
I have no idea where you get the idea that food are frequently transported via storage scrolls.