Don't forget potential ninja world war we want to prevent.
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Don't forget potential ninja world war we want to prevent.
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Hadn't thought of that. One of these days we seriously need to put together an action plan that is entirely about looting our new home and figuring out what we can use.
Stuff we can loot:
The land. There's plenty of trees, they can be chopped down by explosives and sold to loggers. Set up a bunch of force walls so they don't even have to go back to the mill to cut the trees up. Once the trees are cleared away, rent out the land to farmers for crops.
The outbuildings. Once we get them fixed up, we can rent them out to people.
Chakra beast parts. We'll have to kill off most of the chakra vermin on the land anyway, so civilians can log/farm. Might be able to get something useful from them.
Garden. Here's the most accessible of the real loot. Have Noburi go through everything in the garden and see what he can find. Sell some to Tsunade, replant and domesticate as much as possible, and use anything we can. Likely to have plenty of poisons, useful medical effects, recreational drugs, and maybe even something edible that could be sold to the Akimichi as a delicacy.
The subbasements. Research notes, equipment, and possibly even preserved examples (dead bodies?) of curse mark victims, bioseals, immortality experiments, necromancy(!), jutsu, unethical medical experiments, memetic hazards, anti-memetic hazards (might help us get around the grue to figure out what's up with our disguise kits), and who knows what else. Also, probably tons of traps that Kagome would love to reverse engineer.
We ended up not going back to the Swamp Of Death during the chunin exam break, so this is my new Thing I Really Wanna Do.
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Also the hot spring. We can let people pay to use it, do diplomacy in it (I'm sure Inuzukas would love to have a nearby hot spring to use, and during that we could talk to them about how great Asuma would be as Hokage), test out salt purification, and maybe even get other minerals from it.
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Evenstar
Triple Jump Unlocked
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I expect a hefty chunk is repairs. The damage to the outbuildings is extensive, the mansion has big holes in the roof, and the grounds are being eaten by forest. If you assume the grounds (not the land, but the hedge maze and so on) and buildings have lost half their value, then that's about 13 million Ryo in repairs that need to be done ASAP. (Or else the estate will degrade even further, and become even more expensive to repair. Holes in the roof lead to water damage, etc.)
There's also the slight issue that we had to get rid of all the old furniture. Which means we need new furniture now.
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- Potato land
I'm really not caught up on the seal economics discussion, so forgive me if I'm repeating something that's already been raised.
The calculations I've seen thus far all attempt to estimate the annual seal production of Konoha, the resultant pricing, and make that consistent with the scarcity and rarity of seals as presented in the story thus far. This seems incredibly difficult if we take Hazou's base seal production rate of one per 5 minutes.
So, why not play with that value? Hazou has the Iron Nerve, which guarantees perfect blanks. For your average sealmaster, a bad blank will often mean serious risk of injury or death, and they should follow a Poisson distribution, meaning that the probability of producing one needs to be very low for this not to constantly kill sealmasters (or maybe that's what actually happens? It's another possible angle). In other words, just decree that normal sealmasters obsessively check their blanks, using up a lot more time - say 30 minutes per blank total, and not more than 10 blanks per day because of the required concentration. I don't know if this is enough to solve the problem, but it should help.
Narratively, a sealmaster having to seclude themself to some isolated location in order to properly concentrate and scribe seals in peace, would fit with what we've seen of the profession. And if sealmasters are almost exclusively clan ninja, and most of their output goes to their clan members, then the scarcity on the free market would make sense.
The only discontinuity here is with Kagome, who I believe was shown producing blanks at a similar rate to Hazou at least once? I know @Velorien recently stated that Kagome isn't anything special as far as sealmasters go, but if we're going to retcon stuff, then retconning Kagome to be really good is probably easier than anything else we'd need to do for the sealing economy to make sense, and is consistent with the text in any case.
I know that this is a relative buff to us (though not necessarily in terms of income if the Clan/Tower economics stay as is), but it seems like a small change compared to anything else I can think of.
The calculations I've seen thus far all attempt to estimate the annual seal production of Konoha, the resultant pricing, and make that consistent with the scarcity and rarity of seals as presented in the story thus far. This seems incredibly difficult if we take Hazou's base seal production rate of one per 5 minutes.
So, why not play with that value? Hazou has the Iron Nerve, which guarantees perfect blanks. For your average sealmaster, a bad blank will often mean serious risk of injury or death, and they should follow a Poisson distribution, meaning that the probability of producing one needs to be very low for this not to constantly kill sealmasters (or maybe that's what actually happens? It's another possible angle). In other words, just decree that normal sealmasters obsessively check their blanks, using up a lot more time - say 30 minutes per blank total, and not more than 10 blanks per day because of the required concentration. I don't know if this is enough to solve the problem, but it should help.
Narratively, a sealmaster having to seclude themself to some isolated location in order to properly concentrate and scribe seals in peace, would fit with what we've seen of the profession. And if sealmasters are almost exclusively clan ninja, and most of their output goes to their clan members, then the scarcity on the free market would make sense.
The only discontinuity here is with Kagome, who I believe was shown producing blanks at a similar rate to Hazou at least once? I know @Velorien recently stated that Kagome isn't anything special as far as sealmasters go, but if we're going to retcon stuff, then retconning Kagome to be really good is probably easier than anything else we'd need to do for the sealing economy to make sense, and is consistent with the text in any case.
I know that this is a relative buff to us (though not necessarily in terms of income if the Clan/Tower economics stay as is), but it seems like a small change compared to anything else I can think of.
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TBF we can probably fix the grounds, and kill the chakra monsters, ourselves. Explosives are awesome
Evenstar
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Because they cost that much to build. Castles in the Sengoku era were like 10% defensive structures and 90% big showy status symbols. There are actually multiple recorded instances of armies leaving their castle to fight so it wouldn't be damaged in the battle.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
This is why brutalist utilitarian architecture is the ideal aesthetic
E: I mean really, look at this, it's amazing
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QMs: Here's how much money you get for being a Eldricht Paperware Developer.
Players: WHAT? That's super low, wtf did you do with economics?!
QMs: Sorry, that's how the spoon bends.
Rihaku, Evenstar & others:
Since I don't have any degree (of skill) in economics, I will shitpost instead.
Surely, that's a marketable skill as well, right?
Players: WHAT? That's super low, wtf did you do with economics?!
QMs: Sorry, that's how the spoon bends.
Rihaku, Evenstar & others:
Since I don't have any degree (of skill) in economics, I will shitpost instead.
Surely, that's a marketable skill as well, right?
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Plus Orochimaru probably built those walls himself. He almost certainly had MEW, since he was (at least in cannon) obsessed with learning all jutsu. He probably was the one who built the subbasements too, since I doubt he would have wanted anyone else snooping around looking at the layout of the place.
On the other hand, I'm not sure if that changes anything as far as how much we pay for it.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
This is why brutalist utilitarian architecture is the ideal aesthetic
E: I mean really, look at this, it's amazing
Mix it with a touch of AR in about 8 years when the tech gets to that level and that could be pretty freakin' awesome.
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- The state of Paranoia
Speaking of the subbasements, I don't know whether they would factor much into the cost. Whoever is selling this place to us has to be able to survey them in order to figure out how much they add to the price, right?
Also, Jiraiya probably got this place for a pretty huge discount, given that no one else wanted to buy it. Whoever owned it was probably so relieved to be getting rid of it that Jiraiya could negotiate a really good deal.
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Oh yeah, as Kina said it's Snek Uncle's lab. It's stained by being horrifying AND the previous residence of a traitor. The seller probably would have been willing to give it away if property taxes are a thing. If property taxes don't exist though, I think it probably would still sell for a lot less than it's worth.
Also, Jiraiya probably got this place for a pretty huge discount, given that no one else wanted to buy it. Whoever owned it was probably so relieved to be getting rid of it that Jiraiya could negotiate a really good deal.
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Oh yeah, as Kina said it's Snek Uncle's lab. It's stained by being horrifying AND the previous residence of a traitor. The seller probably would have been willing to give it away if property taxes are a thing. If property taxes don't exist though, I think it probably would still sell for a lot less than it's worth.
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What do we even want to do with our massive, incredibly valuable estate? The clan won't be big enough to fill it in our lifetimes, or in the lifetimes of our immediate successors.
The medicinal garden and the basements of adventure are obviously awesome though.
The medicinal garden and the basements of adventure are obviously awesome though.
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- The state of Paranoia
Loot the garden and subbasements, naturally. After that though, I think sell the wood, and start renting the land out for farming. Fix up a lot of the outbuildings and rent them out.
I'm thinking of renting out space in the compound to small businesses.
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If Noburi finds any medicinal stuff in the garden that we can grow, we might be able to farm that with some of the land. Tsunade would probably love us for selling her a steady industrial scale supply of rare medicinal herbs.
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This is why brutalist utilitarian architecture is the ideal aesthetic
E: I mean really, look at this, it's amazing
I picture a Susanoo tearing that building out of the ground, jamming it onto the end of an obelisk, and wielding it as a big fuckoff mace.
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I expect to find at least one to three hardy medicinal plants still living in the garden. So we'll be particularly likely to find stuff with poisons. We can have Noburi try diluting the poisons down, because a lot of medicines and other drugs are just poisons diluted enough that they aren't lethal. If we're lucky we can find some more esoteric effects, like mind control or something that drains chakra. Or maybe even something that increases chakra, which usually acts as a poison by increasing chakra levels so high that the victim combusts.
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Oh, I didn't get into half the things I can think of offhand that qualify reality as the crapsack world, and there's plenty of those that I can't mention because of SV's rules. But, yeah. Reality sucks. That's why I envy Earl even though MfD doesn't have toilet paper and probably not running water.
That looks great to me, but I need to talk with @OliWhail and @Velorien before we could canonize it. Thank you for putting in the effort.@OliWhail @Velorien @eaglejarl
Hows this look, at all accurate compared to the picture you folks have in mind?
Edit: Changed things around a bit.
Huh. I swore we posted that. Regardless, the answer is: Yes, he made an appointment with Kabuto, met with Kabuto, discussed the issue, and Kabuto agreed to help. Kabuto is now working on the necessary research protocol; he expects the full investigation to take several weeks, assuming Noburi has sufficient availability.
*gazes pityingly upon you*
Yes. Yes, he has.
*shakes head in dismay*
Yup. It includes every single jutsu that appears on the wiki (Jutsu) and was not put there as a direct/indirect result of MfD players trying to game this information. (;>) More specifically: Yes, that includes filler and video games. (This truly pisses Val off, though.) Note that there are plenty of jutsu that he knows but cannot perform because he doesn't have a demon in his belly, robot arms, ninja dog, etc.
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Emstar
The Shining One
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At the very least, we'd be able to grab Epic Shiny at the next available opportunity that won't get us executed(?) .