Emstar
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Fires are a fundamentally less effective cousin of Explosives, though.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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I think there is general agreement here, just arguments why it should be hard, which is fine.
Developing the groundwork for a unique combat style, without a master of another combat style for us to derive off of, should arguably have been harder too, but that ship has sailed.
I'll note that in the Core Fate set, we can keep adding stunts that are in the same family, either branches or improvements, forever (so long as QM agreement is reached on mechanics). There is a limit to the number of stunts one can have, which is gated by the rate of advancement (which is modeled by XP in MfD)
Stunts generally come in three flavors:
- Add a bonus in a specific situation (Roki - when Deceit beats Deceit)
- Add/Change an action associated with a skill in a particular situation (say, allow one zone movement, which would normally take an action, if you win with style in a Roki check)
- Allow a rules exception in a particular situation (say, reroll all dice and keep the better, if you spend an FP)
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For the movement one, I'd also like it if you deliberately chose to reduce damage dealt by a Roki style attack by 1+Border in order to force the move. That is a lot less powerful.
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For the bonus one, maybe say instead that for every 20 by which you beat the Roki defense roll, gain an additional fragile tag on the coming attack roll. (This is essentially equivalent to the previous for a Jonin, without smaller incremental benefits, worse for Genin/Chunin, better for Legendary nin)
Vecht
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No, this is incorrect. I added baking OPSEC cookies.
tbh the plan's pretty dumb. Still, hopefully it'll be fun to see Hazou doing something fun instead of "optimal" for a change.
E: The edit was to delete a word or two that didn't semantically change anything. Apologies for editing past the deadline; wasn't my intention. I was under the impression that your deadlines were open until you closed them.
I FEEL YOUR PAIN
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Oh, I wasn't criticizing. Votes are, as you say, open until I close them. Even if they weren't, it was open to 5pm and your edit happened at exactly 5, meaning it was in bounds. I was just amused that you got it so precisely.
Vecht
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Oh. I see.
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Well then.
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I will forgive your heretical inclusion of deadline endpoints, but only because you're such an amazing QM.
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War story for you: Back in the late 90s I worked for a major domain name registrar. The office network was built by putting two Ethernet cards in each of the roughly 50 machines that were distributed around the walls and then Daisy-chaining them together in series. From the last machine in the chain there was a 60' length of Ethernet cable that went down the hall, over a rafter to keep it from sagging, then a loop hung on a nail in the wall to keep the next bit from sagging, then out the propped-open fire door and in the window of the ISP across the alley.
No, I'm not joking.
Cariyaga
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It's an improvement because the dumpster fires your dumpster-fire-extinguisher shoot don't self-replicate. nods sagely
On another note I am perfectly happy to have Hazou ever-more-clearly be suffering from a near-mental break so he can finally get some goddamn therapy.
Emstar
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I think you might be throwing a lot of very difficult details of the implementation under the rug there...
Well, adjusting the timescale to a week instead of a day seems to resolve your criticisms just fine? A week seems like a fine, if perhaps somewhat busy, timescale for doing all the things outlined in the plan.
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I thought we were willing to play nice with Mist - hence the alliance negotiations, and why we haven't enacted the "1000 Pillars of Heaven" technique (where we toss down stacks of pre-prepared implosion seals in enough places to completely wipe out all unreinforced surface level buildings and all surface life in the village)
The breeding program stuff is the worst case scenario if Jiraiya's Hokage-ship and the alliance fall through (is my read) - so long as there is no colossal screw up, we shouldn't go to that future.
The breeding program stuff is the worst case scenario if Jiraiya's Hokage-ship and the alliance fall through (is my read) - so long as there is no colossal screw up, we shouldn't go to that future.
I have no idea why you seem to think we are far more capable than what the rest of the hivemind thought.
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Because we have had literally zero setbacks in the past 2 years
Edit: we've actually only faced 2 crises in the entire quest and we came out better because of both of them
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It is exactly those crisis that reinforced the hivemind's sense of mortality and difficulty.
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We haven't had that many major setbacks because we don't take on outrageously difficult challenges like personally taking over Mist by outdiplomacing entire clans full of ninjas who hate our guts. For nearly everything in this quest we consider our options, agonize over ways it could go wrong, build contingencies and replan, and still get blindsided by something.
The fact that we've had relatively smooth sailing and been able to recover from all of our mistakes is a testament to the quality of the hivemind's plans, but the fact that we still make mistakes a lot of the time is testament to our limits, so don't go thinking we're ready for the shark-infested waters just because we can keep our heads above water in the pool.
Emstar
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Likewise our eminent usefulness is heavily curtailed when it comes to stuff that relies on mostly in setting knowledge (complex social interactions) that we cannot parse and interpret easily.
On the flipside we can design in setting WMDs like theyre going out of style
On the flipside we can design in setting WMDs like theyre going out of style
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I've thought a bit about how Hazou should approach Tsunade, especially in light of how the most recent chapter cast her as a kind of international humanitarian, if only in the field of medicine. I kind of think that it would be good for Hazou, in more ways than one, to think of her more as an independent ally or an inspiration. After all, she's presumably already improved medical knowledge across the world, which definitely falls under the broader Uplift umbrella. At the very least, Hazou should really benefit from talking to someone, whom, for once, he doesn't need to convince of the value of civilian lives and the need for peaceful cooperation. Even if she's cynical as hell about it.
Problem is, rather than this, Hazou currently thinks of her as a resource that can be leveraged to secure the hat for Jiraiya, not unlike Sasuke. Which is tough, because I'm confident that trying to persuade her with this mindset will backfire spectacularly. Thoughts?
Problem is, rather than this, Hazou currently thinks of her as a resource that can be leveraged to secure the hat for Jiraiya, not unlike Sasuke. Which is tough, because I'm confident that trying to persuade her with this mindset will backfire spectacularly. Thoughts?
Cariyaga
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Maybe have an update where he just meditates on his motivations or something? I dunno, but I do agree that talking to her with his current motivations in mind will absolutely backfire, and I also agree that she could be a great inspiration for him.
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We just have to slow play Tsunade. To start out with just have Hazō meet her without writing any specific goals into the plan. We just have to create a situation where she wants to help us because of who we are
Emstar
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It would be refreshing to speak to someone that is almost as parallel to our goals as Jiraiya is. A conversation to feel each other out would be appropriate.
Eh. I mean, in a way they are resources. In another sense, they don't stop being people. While Hazou has issues with peoples agency.... I'm not sure that hes completely in the outhouse on that and just views people as objects to be used.
In general, it would be useful to feel out her character a bit more. Maybe sit down, have some tea/sake and converse about things.
She's been helping people for a few decades so she'll probably have some good advice. "How do you deal with failure?" "When I feel like I'm not doing enough, but can't do any more, what do I do?" etc.
Basically we can get some words of wisdom from her in a very earnest way despite our ultimate goal of convincing her to help us out on that front.
This simultaneously should endear us to her a bit. We aren't some snob asking for power, or asking her to do shit, or trying to hit on her or whatever.
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something something Hazou x Tsunade something something screaming in everybody
Cariyaga
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Obviously Tsunade is the best waifu.
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Ehh...
This is what I'm concerned about, specifically.
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Emstar
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Blargh.
In all seriousness, I don't think Hazou is going down the dark path of Epic Chessmaster Voldemort or anything. Theres nothing wrong with having ulterior motives for getting to know someone, we all do that all the time IRL (even if the motive is relatively innocent and earnest). Having that be the only thing there dan be a cause for bad relationships.
The trick is:
Don't try to chessmaster the other person on the metaphorical first date. You need to actually have meaningful social interactions with these people before you show up to their door asking for votes or what have you.
(Given that we just voted a week away, that might be halfway out the window, but the point stands in general).
Would you ask a professor for a letter of recommendation on the first week of class? Perhaps but...Most likely not.
Would you ask someone for a referral for a job right after meeting them? Depends on the context but...Most likely not.
Are you going to ask Sasuke or Tsunade for votes when its the first time meeting them? Definitely not.
Change of topic: Can we look into hiring a THer? No one in the clan is going to learn it, so we need to hire people to do it for us. Maybe find some random new graduate genin and pay for someone to teach them TH and promise them a job when their apprenticeship is finished. Also cash is a billion times easier to get than XP.
Emstar
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First reaction:This seems terrible for OPSEC reasons. Otherwise, am onboard.