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My understanding of the first Great Rebalancing (as I was still irregularly lurking instead of actively participating at the time) is that while they'd set some ballpark numbers for each rank (genin 10-20, chunin 30-40, jounin 50+, I think?), they'd underestimated both the rate of PC growth due to XP and how much a sneaky minmaxing build could inflate numbers above your base skill, leading to a situation where our supposedly above-average but not Itachi PCs were hitting Special Jounin levels within six months. What followed was less a traditional nerfing and more buffing up our opposition to better reflect how good our enemies should be.

The second big change was moving from the initial homebrew system to one based on the Dresden Files RPG (itself an earlier edition of the FATE roleplaying game), which allowed for a bunch of things to get smoothed out, and included useful mechanics like Aspects and the Create an Advantage move to run clever tricks in a mechanically fair fashion (giving an advantage to the PCs when appropriate, but not an overwhelming one unless it really should be).

The initial numbers had Jonin numbers as 20. We reached that without bonuses around the Arikada mission. Then they changed it so Jonin numbers was 50 and we started collecting bonuses in a way that inflated our score to Jonin again.

(Technically to "Special Jonin", which is "you're Jonin level in one skill, but you're lacking in too many core areas to qualify as a Jonin overall".)

Then the second great rebalancing (the system change) changed Jonin-numbers to 60. And we almost immediately hit Special Jonin again.
 
Woah, slow down there.

Why are we not spending ~20 CP to have an idea of where these guys are situated in the building? Chakra we can regain if this goes well, Goo Bombs we cannot.

It's all in, either we pull off the first breach or we are screwed. The same argument against conservative pangolin summoning (the one used against me a few pages ago!) can apply arguing in favor of Hazou using LR here for this purpose.
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Note that if you are unaware of a target and it is outside the reach of your conventional senses (e.g. silent and in a different room), you will receive the bonus when rolling to detect it, but not the benefit of your normal Alertness.
tl;dr Living Roots, when used on people sneaking in different Rooms, would mean that our total Alertness is only our Living Roots score. Against people with any Stealth skills whatsoever it won't be enough to notice them. Thus the Kagome checking maneuver.

Also, when moving the Living Roots bonus is 1*Effect. Which means we gain +2 to Alertness. When standing still the bonus is 3*Effect, or +6. I...don't think it's worth it.

Edit: And the above is for 26CP, plus 1CP/min.
 
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Also: I note that the way it's worded it seems like we are sparing Team Asuma's site wholesale... was this intended? I thought it was our intention to leave them for last and KO and Moderate Consequences everyone SANS Squad Asuma (just the three ISC).

Why are we letting 6-15 extra ninja escape our wrath?
 
It will? Could you clarify?

We use the half words we've gathered to turn everyone against each other during the break. Publicly promise to return word halves to anyone who hampers the top teams, to not return them to people who gang up on us, cut individual deals with anyone interested, and so forth.

We can keep them absolutely safe in the summon realm, so candidates will have some really strong incentives to cooperate with us.
 
Also: I note that the way it's worded it seems like we are sparing Team Asuma's site wholesale... was this intended? I thought it was our intention to leave them for last and KO and Moderate Consequences everyone SANS Squad Asuma (just the three ISC).

Why are we letting 6-15 extra ninja escape our wrath?
I...was assuming that was the case? Though it could be worded better...

@Roomba In your plan could you change:
"Friendly participants: We want to avoid overscrewing 1 Leaf team (no KO, no word-half stealing); ask if others have similar wishes."​

to:
"Friendly participants: We want to avoid overscrewing 1 Leaf team (don't KO them/steal their word-halves); ask if others have similar wishes."​
 
I...was assuming that was the case? Though it could be worded better...

@Roomba In your plan could you change:
"Friendly participants: We want to avoid overscrewing 1 Leaf team (no KO, no word-half stealing); ask if others have similar wishes."​

to:
"Friendly participants: We want to avoid overscrewing 1 Leaf team (don't KO them/steal their word-halves); ask if others have similar wishes."​
No: the way the strategy section is worded it can be interpreted as we linearly go through each area EXCEPT for the area Squad Asuma is at.

@Roomba can you clarify? What's the intent here?
 
No: the way the strategy section is worded it can be interpreted as we linearly go through each area EXCEPT for the area Squad Asuma is at.

@Roomba can you clarify? What's the intent here?

Intent is to leave Team Asuma and maybe the other Wolf ninja, conscious, unbound and with their half words in their possession. Everyone else from their event teams gets the normal treatment, and their objectives are trashed.

Can someone figure out how to phrase this without taking a lot of words? I'm kind of preoccupied for the next hour or so.
 
(Quick peek in because I need a short break.)

....what the fuck?

I'm honesting goddamn afraid of starting again from the beginning.

Even the incomplete wiki isn't giving me much. What the fuck happened after we met jiraiya the first time or when we escape with that youth girl?
Could you be more specific? That was about 800,000 words ago, so a lot has happened. If you want a short summary then:

  • Jiraiya sent the team to the Liberator
  • They met Akane in the Liberator's camp and ran away with her
  • They got tracked and attacked by three people from the camp. Hazō beat Bosatsu into the ground while Akane kept Ken busy, then Hazō punched through Ken's head, then Hazō killed Mirai
  • Jiraiya gave them open ended rewards. Noburi got medic-nin training, Keiko got a lead on where a summoning scroll might be
  • They went to Tea and, through a really good roll, found the Village Hidden in the Mountain, a small ninja village that had the Pangolin Summoning scroll. There was a lot of diplomacy and politics, but Keiko ended up with the scroll
  • Kagome explained about scorch squads, groups of ninja sent out by all villages as part of the cold war. They raid prosperous civilian towns and kill everyone there so that there will be fewer people and therefore fewer ninja in the next generation. The team decided they didn't like this
  • They went to Hot Springs on what they thought was a C-rank fetch quest. Things went very badly
  • Keiko said something she shouldn't have, then hid in the Summon Realm for a while. She returned only when Jiraiya sent them a "Meet me here in three days or else" message
  • The team met Jiraiya. He told them that they caused him a lot of grief in Hot Springs so they need to do him a favor: capture or kill Arikada, a biosealmistress
  • The team did, and they brought her back to Leaf
  • They stayed in Leaf for a while, hobnobbing with much of the canon cast aside from Sasuke and Naruto
  • Hazō made a mistake that got them thrown out of the city
  • They went back to Tea to rest, recuperate, and for Noburi to get more medic-nin training
  • Due to exploitation of meta-information, they fled to Snow. While there, Kagome completed development on the skywalker seal, a thing that Hazō thought up that allows any ninja to walk on air
  • They decided to trade Skywalkers to Leaf in exchange for being adopted into a new clan with Jiraiya as the head
  • As this was about to happen, the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny happened (aka "the Battle of the Gods"). As Jiraiya explained, Hiruzen, Zabuza, and Mei were all killed and Akatsuki kidnapped Yagura and Naruto. Afterwards, Jiraiya needed to find Naruto, so he took the Hokageship through what was not sheer force of arms only because Nara Shikaku supported him
  • The team was now in Leaf and part of Jiraiya's newly-formed Gōketsu clan
  • The Chūnin Exams are announced. Jiraiya told the kids that they were competing whether they like it or not. They weren't thrilled but they went along, vowing to all be in the top 16 overall so that they can compete in the tournament at the end
  • The first event is an ongoing intelligence-gathering mission: find all the other events
  • The second event was a fantastic and exciting battle royale in a swamp...which Team Uplift sat out, choosing instead to turtle up in a fortress and...trade. (ptui!)
  • The third event was an escort mission. The team absolutely crushed it, putting them in first place overall for the Exams
  • The fourth event was an infiltration mission. The team got stomped and was now WAY down in the rankings and therefore not eligible for the tournament
  • The fifth event is about to happen. It's a red team/blue team assault, where blue team guards a building and red team attacks it. The kids are red team for the first round, blue team for the second. They are badly in the hole on points and their only chance of making the tournament is to absolutely destroy this event, beating essentially every other contestant into the mud in the first round and then...doing something currently undecided in the second.
 
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Of fucking course it was the infiltration mission that failed horribly.

Of fucking course. It not like a year of being a missing nin led to them being actually be able to be skill at infiltration. Zabuza was clearly an idiot to not find the team.

Inoue-sensei is disappointed yet again.
 
No: the way the strategy section is worded it can be interpreted as we linearly go through each area EXCEPT for the area Squad Asuma is at.

The fundemental confusion here is that we're getting Team Asuma mixed up with whatever Blue/Red Team we're on. To fix this they should just be referred to as Squad Asuma (as you do) or ISC in the action plan.

@Roomba
 
The fundemental confusion here is that we're getting Team Asuma mixed up with whatever Blue/Red Team we're on. To fix this they should just be referred to as Squad Asuma (as you do) or ISC in the action plan.

@Roomba
Not really, it's still worded strangely. We "avoid" the location they are at, so we miss their entire quadrant.

Change to: "leave their location for last" and specific we will give Squad ISC and the other Wolf guy the option of surrendering without any Consequences
 
Of fucking course it was the infiltration mission that failed horribly.

Of fucking course. It not like a year of being a missing nin led to them being actually be able to be skill at infiltration. Zabuza was clearly an idiot to not find the team.

Inoue-sensei is disappointed yet again.

What happened is that Hazou got ambushed when he was trying to dig a private tunnel where he could re-henge reapply his disguise kit. The unknown assailant the distributed our identity to all the other competitors causing us to lose a bunch of points. Oh yeah, and Mist fucked us by making Hazou disguise himself as a genderbent Jiraiya expy
 
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Of fucking course it was the infiltration mission that failed horribly.

Of fucking course. It not like a year of being a missing nin led to them being actually be able to be skill at infiltration. Zabuza was clearly an idiot to not find the team.

Inoue-sensei is disappointed yet again.

TBF, we spent that entire time minmaxxing our combat ability. We did some social speccing too, but "to 20s" not "to 60s" like we did with Hazou's Taijutsu or "to 40s" as with Kei and Noburi's combat stats (which are much harder to add bonuses to). Lots of people in the event had better Deceit than us, and it only takes one to leak our identities with literally everyone trying to gut us.
 
....what the fuck?

I'm honesting goddamn afraid of starting again from the beginning.

Even the incomplete wiki isn't giving me much. What the fuck happened after we met jiraiya the first time or when we escape with that youth girl?

Ok, lemme see if I can remember everything of importance...

1. We went to Tea country to look for a lost Summoning Scroll Jiraiya said was rumored to be there. We ended up finding where it was - an unknown village known as Hidden Mountain, run by a bunch of xenophobic isolationists. We managed to get into the village diplomatically, stuff happened, some of them tried to kill us, Kagome exploded them, and Keiko went through a maze of traps, found the scroll, and became the Pangolin summoner. Oh, and Akane learned a cool jutsu that lets her change the temperature in an area while we were there, Noburi got engaged and promptly dumped at the end, and we left.

2. Having decided we needed some money, we took a mission. We went to Hot Springs, which is a mutually agreed upon neutral zone by all the villages, to try to get a cipher tattooed on someone who was guarded by a kenjutsu jonin. While there, we tried to start setting up our spy network by promising to sell ice to an innkeeper at the place we were staying. We tried to sneak into the room of the targets, shit went south, the jonin got killed. We got chased out of Hot Springs, and I recall we ended up starting a forest fire. Our innkeeper got caught, and we became known as the Cold Stone Killers (though our identities as such aren't really that public). Later on, dear Aunt Ren brokered a deal with Hot Springs to hire Mist ninja to bolster security, giving Mist a new source of income and a beachhead on the mainland for future invasions.

3. Now, as it turns out, we fucked up and didn't get updated signals from our Jiraiya contact in Tea after we left Hidden Mountain (we'd been there for a while), and if we had we would have discovered that the kenjutsu jonin was one of Jiraiya's agents. Oops! Well, he's notably quite pissy about us doing that and causing a ruckus in a neutral zone, but he decides to give us a chance - we're given orders to go to Rice and capture a crazy bioseal master lady. Yeah, seriously. In the course of figuring out how to do this and interacting with the ninja in Rice, we invent a way to use Five Seal Barrier seals to use ninja wire to raise a platform up into the sky - our skytowers let us see the bioseal master coming, letting us ambush her. She pulls out some Edo Tensei bullshit and has us fight her undead minions while she tried to flee, but we manage to catch her. She does try to escape on the way to Leaf, and injured Akane in the process, but we arrive in time so she doesn't die, with the target as well.

4. All is forgiven! And Jiraiya is even having us stay in Leaf for about ten days. It's great. We play some board games with clan heirs, we flirt with Ino, asshole players suggest a polyamourous relationship to Akane while she's in the hospital, and oh, Kabuto is Akane's doctor and he wants to know all about our bloodlines and of course Noburi is willing to let him do some tests in exchange for med-nin knowledge. So, of course players are suspicious as fuck. More on that later! We sell our skytowers and some other stuff to Jiraiya in exchange for cash, jutsu, and some seals, including a cool Air Dome seal! He's quite pleased with the skytowers in particular, even though we had a sealing failure during our infusion of it.

Also, somewhere in an alternate timeline that got retconned, idiot players voted "Buy a Youthsuit" hours before a vote closed, and we got detained and mind read by Ino.

5. So, Kabuto. He's Akane's doctor. And players are paranoid as fuck that he still works for Orochimaru. So we express our concerns to Jiraiya. Poorly. Apparently Hazou will "go very far" to protect Akane... which because we're missing nin and Jiraiya has to look tough on us, gets the team put into a Killbox for interrogation. Oops! Well, Keiko manages to talk Jiraiya out of killing us, but we're booted out of Leaf and Fire, while Akane is allowed to stay because "oh, she was never a missing nin, that was all a misunderstanding" (which it kind of was, but still). So now we're in Iron, with no Akane, and our team is pissed at Hazou because of his big mouth.

6. So now we're in Iron, and we spend some time there. And of course the players figure out how to make an idea they've had for a while. Skywalkers! Seals that let you walk on air. By making a seal activate with chakra adhesion, and flipping the Air Dome seal upside down and adhering to the bottom, you can make such a seal. Yay us, we broke the setting, and this is something that should let us buy back our goodwill with Leaf once we've refined it a bit. Now, being paranoid fucks and having had to go into town for supplies and thus being seen by people who can spread info, we decide to pack it up and leave before Zabuza inevitably arrives to kill us. So we go to Snow, because why the fuck not! We've also sold the Pangolins some skytower seals. More on that later.

7. Snow sucks. We're barely surviving. Everyone hates it. Mari forces Noburi to use his birthday wish to go to a tropical island in Sea. We do that. Skywalkers are given a super field test, and we cross through Fire with nobody every noticing because we never even touch the ground. We stay there for a while, refining skywalkers.

8. We get notice from the Pangolins that the Condor Summoner (who is our enemy because the Pangolins are enemies of the Condors) has stolen the Capibara Scroll from a clan in Tea (no affiliation with Mountain) and is about to sell it to get allies. This is not acceptable, so we're ordered to go deal with that shit. Upon deliberation, the players decide "Nope, we're not able to do that. Too dangerous for five people, even with Skywalkers." and hoof it to Leaf, where we let Jiraiya know about it so he can handle it. Oh, and to sell skywalkers. We managed to get quite the bargain, really. Jiraiya is engaged to Mari, adopts the kids, and forms a clan. The Third Hokage is cool with this too, because hey, skywalkers, three bloodlines, a summoning scroll, and two sealmasters? Also getting another reliable vote on the clan council? Hell yes!

9. We're Leaf now! Yay! No longer missing nin! Of course, it's not announced publicly right away. And there's politics. Keiko ends up engaged to Shikamaru for political reasons. Oh, and Jiraiya, Naruto, the Third Hokage, and a bunch of ANBU set a trap for Mist, confident that Skywalkers will give them a definite advantage. And it does. The ensuing battle between Yagura (the Mizukage), Zabuza, and basically all of Mist's heavy hitters results in a curbstomp... except in the case of Yagura killing the Third. And of course, this is when Akatsuki shows up, kidnaps Naruto and Yagura, and kills everyone but Jiraiya. Because of course they'd do that. So, Jiraiya comes back to the village, lays down the law, and becomes temporary Hokage for the time being.

10. Well, Jiraiya needs us out of town for a while. So he gives us a mission to go along with Akane and Minami, a member of a minor clan, to go off and deliver intelligence reports to members of his spy network. At some point, Hazou stupidly and unnecessarily reveals one of Noburi's bloodline secrets (draining through mist) to Minami. Oops... Kagome tries to kill her, but is stopped. It's pretty bad, but we managed to work with her still to complete the mission. Later on we get to Tea, and find out that a yakuza bigwig might have info on Akatsuki, so we end up attacking his boat so we can kidnap him. And oh, we end up having to kill all the civilians who were witnesses, because fuck we can't have witnesses here. We deliver them, and end up going on our mission again, and have to split up due to an add on. One of the target places ends up being a trap, a jonin kills Minami, and we end up running back to Leaf. Minami's death is bad, since her clan doesn't like Jiraiya for that happening with his kids having been on mission.

11. Chuunin exams are coming! We train for them. The current arc is happening. It's long. Mist hates us. We need to do well so Jiraiya looks good and he can keep the hat. We do well in the second and third events, get fucked in the fourth and barely stay in the exams, and the first is ongoing. Right now we're planning to rampage in the fifth and final event, because finally it's something that plays to our strengths. And here we are.

Some other stuff happened, but that's the summary of the important stuff.
 
TBF, we spent that entire time minmaxxing our combat ability. We did some social speccing too, but "to 20s" not "to 60s" like we did with Hazou's Taijutsu or "to 40s" as with Kei and Noburi's combat stats (which are much harder to add bonuses to). Lots of people in the event had better Deceit than us, and it only takes one to leak our identities with literally everyone trying to gut us.

We also likely would have been ok if we hadn't fucked up critically in the first third of the event
 
We also likely would have been ok if we hadn't fucked up critically in the first third of the event

Actually? I doubt that. I am fairly certain that Shin figured out our identity before the tunnel fiasco or at least had a very strong suspicion that it was us due to how transparent the disguise was. All in all, our identity would have leaked regardless and then Super Social Spec Specimen Kato would do the rest to spread it.
 
At the very least we managed to DQ enough people to stay alive, which was good.

Pre-Tipserator Retcon Timeline was better in the short term by a mile, I would argue.
 
What a cluster fuck.

I dunno how you guys are still alive. Even on top of that with the nerfs.....wait retcon?

YOUTHSUIT?

Oh what the flying fuck. The only reason you guys are still alive in the end is due to the sage blessing you all.
 
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Reminder - we need to finish hashing out a plan. TODAY.
Adhoc vote count started by Enjou on Jul 13, 2018 at 2:24 PM, finished with 96534 posts and 2 votes.

  • [X] Action Plan: Be Zabuza
    [X] Action Plan: Be Kakashi
 
What a cluster fuck.

I dunno how you guys are still alive. Even on top of that with the nerfs.....wait retcon?

YOUTHSUIT?

Oh what the flying fuck. The only reason you guys are still alive in the end is due to the sage blessing you all.

The retcons are what happens when the QMs decide that something was inconsistent (X doesn't work that way, Y character would behave this way, etc.) either on their own or after appeals from the playerbase and, since they are very committed to making this story consistent, they have no choice but to redo those chapters.

Generally, the retcons have happened primarily with chapters where very bad things happened, either out of sheer luck, some underlying property of chapters like that which makes inconsistencies sneak through more often, or maybe because the players are most incentivized to find them. That said, as incidents like Hot Springs or the Killbox can attest, we're forced to face the music about as much as we wriggle our way out of it.
 
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