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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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So, the way I see it, one strategy is to hit all other Blue Team facilities in the hours that we're supposed to spend preparing our own, bind them, steal their documents and destroy their holding cells.

That would be guaranteed to cost Red Teams (75+5*22) points for documents. Blue Teams would lose 50 points for documents, all points for imprisoned Red Team members, and 25*9 penalty for keeping teammates safe. (Or we could try to get them -1000 points, somehow?)

That... isn't good enough. Blue Teams would get -225 score, Red Teams would get 0 score. We'd need to deal with all Red Teams too, knock them off and drag them into cells for 55*9 penalty.

Hmm. The optimal strategy is to agree on two winning Red/Blue teams in advance. In the first round, the Blue Team kills all other Blue Teams, gives all their documents to the allied Red Team. Allied Red Team turns them all in for 75*(4,5) points, all other Blue Teams lose 75 points (is that works?). Then the Red and the Blue Teams kill all other Red Teams.
Then repeat in the next event, with flipped roles.

Any way to make that happen? We need an allied Leaf squad that would be fine with disqualifying all other Leaf squads, and that would be strong enough to take over their team.
 
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What about making a false set of documents and keeping the real ones on hand somewhere other than the lockbox?
 
TaliesinSkye said:
What about making a false set of documents and keeping the real ones on hand somewhere other than the lockbox?
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Literally everything should be in storage scrolls. Lockbox key, documents, fake documents. All in storage scrolls! Every member of our team should have a storage scroll on them, only one will contain the key. The rest will be full of boiling water/burning oil.
 
First things first:

We should vote for the default plan with minor misc and general preparations along with maybe some strategy talk.

Then Lore update for further consideration and to give EJ the chance to write the facepunchies



Offense:

As far as I'm reading this there's nothing stopping us from acting as the human wrecking balls. Focus a strike on one tower and then move to fuck around with everyone else.



Defense:

So obviously we need to use our Bachelors Degree in Kagome Security to create the most defensible location out of the four.

Once we have done that, wait till the offensive teams are released and leave Keiko behind with Pangolin support.

We move forward in two groups to counter the assault on the two nearest towers. Crush it. Then handle the fourth. Take everyone prisoner. Noburi drains all prisoners.



Edit: Scoring is on a team by team basis so never mind. It would behoove us to crush the other team as defenders regardless.


Also: it's highly beneficial for us to have Nobs drain all attackers to Moderate consequences for the next round(s).
 
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Oh yeah, I will observe that Moderate Consequences that exist at the end of the second round will probably cost us points even if they were also there at the beginning of the second round (i.e., they were inflicted during the first round). Which means no matter what we're going to be losing points, since Mist will 100% give us all the guys with Moderate Consequences and say haha fuck you.
 
Noumero said:
Any way to make that happen? We need an allied Leaf squad that would be fine with disqualifying all other Leaf squads, and that would be strong enough to take over their team.
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We would also need the opportunity to talk with them before the event started and after being informed of the details, OR for them to be smart enough to figure out what's up. *stares at team Shikamaru*

So, do we think it's reasonable to purchase a brace for Force Barriers? I mean, before, we knew that lockboxes would be involved, I suspected they'd be the target, and we knew there'd be a building. Is that sufficient reasoning to get a brace to carry Force Barriers and cut through the building with?
 
faflec said:
Oh yeah, I will observe that Moderate Consequences that exist at the end of the second round will probably cost us points even if they were also there at the beginning of the second round (i.e., they were inflicted during the first round). Which means no matter what we're going to be losing points, since Mist will 100% give us all the guys with Moderate Consequences and say haha fuck you.
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It's a simple solution: we give them enough moderate consequences that they need to retreat to the med nin tent. This expels them from the event.
 
Reminder - we still need a pre-knowing the rules plan.

eaglejarl said:
Both Teams
  • Everyone (red team and blue) scores -25 points for every Severe consequence inflicted. Yes, red team members lose points if blue team members are injured and vice versa.
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So, possible note here. Since there's no rule about going around into other zones and inflicting injuries, teams from outside the zone are motivated to inflict Severe Consequences. Further, any teams that are trying to fuck over other members of their own groupings to eliminate people and get friends in other groups into the tournament would be incentivized to do this. Are you sure these are the rules the proctors would want to have, because if so then they would expect this to become a clusterfuck.

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I'm pretty sure not because then the numbers wouldn't work out.

So many of your teammates in the second round may be dragging around serious injuries. Fun. Potentially you were the one who injured them. Even more fun.
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Yes, but wouldn't they automatically cause your team to lose points just by having Moderate Consequences? That wouldn't exactly be a good test. I think the point is that people who suffer Moderate Consequences are essentially eliminated from the event and can't score more points. Again, would like @eaglejarl to clarify.
 
faflec said:
I doubt they would just to spite us. We'd have to drag them to the medics.

Oh god that's a hilarious loophole. Let's just drag everyone to the medics.
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If they load us up with 6 other ninja with 4 broken limbs each then at that point Jiraiya can *actually * call bullshit
 
MMKII said:
So obviously we need to use our Bachelors Degree in Kagome Security to create the most defensible location out of the four.

Once we have done that, wait till the offensive teams are released and leave Keiko behind with Pangolin support.
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No. We-as-Blue-Team need to destroy all other Blue Teams before Red Teams are released, while other Blue Teams don't expect an attack and didn't yet prepare their defences.

Unless I missed something?
 
How fast is vacuum step? Because if it is in the 60+mph range, we can use it to throw sealed rocks very, very fast. Our blue strategy might be to have Keiko race around and wreck every other building before the other blue teams even arrive.
 
Noumero said:
No. We-as-Blue-Team need to destroy all other Blue Teams before Red Teams are released, while other Blue Teams don't expect an attack and didn't yet prepare their defences.

Unless I missed something?
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It depends on if we are on offense or defense first, I think?
 
No, @Noumero's right. What we should do is smash them and steal their documents; then (once we've taken care of our own Red Team) smash the other Red Teams.
 
MMKII said:
If they load us up with 6 other ninja with 4 broken limbs each then at that point Jiraiya can *actually * call bullshit
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Note that broken limbs would be considered a Severe penalty, not Moderate.

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Yes, but wouldn't they automatically cause your team to lose points just by having Moderate Consequences? That wouldn't exactly be a good test. I think the point is that people who suffer Moderate Consequences are essentially eliminated from the event and can't score more points. Again, would like @eaglejarl to clarify.
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Asked in QM chat, will get back to you.
 
Question is, how do we defend from other roaming Blue Teams. We won't be the only ones to notice that the rules do not forbid you from attacking other teams, but in fact encourage it, since it much easier to inflict maluses on other teams than to win your own rounds.
 
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faflec said:
No, @Noumero's right. What we should do is smash them and steal their documents; then (once we've taken care of our own Red Team) smash the other Red Teams.
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No no no it depends on if we are defending first or not.

If we are defending first the ideal strat is to do as I suggested so we don't piss off people we will have to work with next round. This strategy also causes max damage to the people we will have to assault the next round.

If we are defending second then we do as @Noumero suggested since presumably we would have been able to cause damage to the other team already.

I need to think about a similar strategy for what to do if we are on offense first /second.

Note that shuffling is between the same pools of ninja. So whoever is on (All Blue) will be on (All Red) next round and vice versa.
 
Going all out, what we want to do is demolish the opposing team and then go inflict negative penalties onto other sites.

As Red Team, we only gain points by delivering the documents asap. As Blue Team, we gain points by protecting the documents and jailing Red Team members.

We can inflict penalties on other teams by inflicting Moderate Consequences on their members, and by stealing documents from Blue teams. There's some benefit to jailing Red Team members from other sites, but it's probably not worth the trouble.

As such, the obvious tactic is shock and awe - take out the opposing team with overwhelming force, drain them of chakra to keep our Pangolin force going, and move to another site, rinse and repeat.

Potential problems:
  • If we're Blue, opposing Red Team may try to be subtle, wasting time.
  • Uncooperative teammates.
The second problem is by far the worse one, and it's this one that we need to solve. Hence, I'm finding the idea of talking to the other candidates this update more and more appealing.
 
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