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- Yes.
The current plan. I have yet to add @Oneiros43/@Traiden/@Enjou's most recent suggestions.
FEEDBACK IS STILL WELCOME AND GREATLY APPRECIATED.
FEEDBACK IS STILL WELCOME AND GREATLY APPRECIATED.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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- Yes.
That seems alright. Done.
@faflec
As I said before, we're likely not going to acquire a spyglass/telescope unless we work for it. It is an expensive item after all.
Since we do get paid like every other village ninja, ask for a telescope/spyglass as a reward or in lieu of monetary rewards for the Yakuza mission. Keiko can request this item at the end of the debriefing with Jiraiya.
If Jiraiya isn't going to give it out of his own budget and whatnot, we could also pool the team's monetary resources to purchase one.
As I said before, we're likely not going to acquire a spyglass/telescope unless we work for it. It is an expensive item after all.
Since we do get paid like every other village ninja, ask for a telescope/spyglass as a reward or in lieu of monetary rewards for the Yakuza mission. Keiko can request this item at the end of the debriefing with Jiraiya.
If Jiraiya isn't going to give it out of his own budget and whatnot, we could also pool the team's monetary resources to purchase one.
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- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Alright! As requested, "English tutor with a grudge." *cracks fingers*
Engage nitpicks.
(This is a reminder that this is me being as critical as I possibly can. I'm playing devil's advocate; you may not agree with all of my comments, and indeed I do not believe some of them myself. Examine my recommendations as critically as I've examined your plan.)
I cannot recommend strongly enough that we specifically disclaim against saying the emphasized part of this aloud. Hazou has blurted out lines from the plan verbatim before -- and in so doing, nearly doomed us all, when one such incident turned a concerned appeal on Akane's behalf into a threat against a Konoha ninja. While saying things like this effectively represents the mental state for which we are shooting, we should take caution to specify that they are not to be spoken aloud.
This being our regularly-scheduled reminder that ninja are cynical bastards. Issuing unilateral statements like this will likely provoke scorn and discredit our statement through the magic of ad hominem. Moreover, we can't actually back up the promise this statement implies; no matter how strong or skilled we are, it's a sad fact that even the greatest of ninja can be forced into unfavorable situations wherein their options are limited. Instead of the emphasized clause, I recommend, "and next time hopefully have other options than hurting innocents."
Additionally, do we want to phrase this as, "destroy the system?" There is no privacy on a Skytower; Akane is aware of our ambitions and will interpret us correctly, but Minami is still unaccustomed to us. What is her likely reaction if she hears us waxing lyrical about our ambitions to "destroy the system?" I find it all too likely that she will conclude that we are referring to the system of ninja and/or ninja villages. She is unlikely to look upon that favorably.
Both of the preceding points regarding Minami overhearing us are invalidated if we conduct the Akane chat while we are split off from the main party; I recommend that in place of addressing them individually, we simply evade the issue by specifying that this chat should occur during one of our breaks while away from the main group. At the moment, that is not specified.
There we go. Not a true English tutor bashing -- I've not let this sit for a day before coming back for additional nitpicks, after all -- but I think this should serve well enough. Hope you find some actionable insights in here! I'm sure the plan has changed since I started looking at it; I'll take another look tomorrow and make criticisms for whatever iteration is up then. Sorry if any of this is obsolete.
Engage nitpicks.
(This is a reminder that this is me being as critical as I possibly can. I'm playing devil's advocate; you may not agree with all of my comments, and indeed I do not believe some of them myself. Examine my recommendations as critically as I've examined your plan.)
This is in the goals section; however, you do not mention to what end we are talking to the team. This section is for defining objectives; what result do we hope to produce by speaking with our team?
SOP by what metric? Our metric as players (if so, what are these metrics, and do the QM's have ready access to them for cross-reference)? Hazou's metric as an ex-missing-nin (if so, how will we justify this to Minami)? Minami's metric as a Konoha Chunin (if so, are we fully versed in the particulars, or will we be consulting her)?
Noburi can, or Noburi should? Furthermore, is Hazou issuing this as a command -- which Noburi has been historically snotty about, particularly when he considers it to be obvious and a slight on his intelligence -- or through some other phrasing? Is this part of the plan, in fact, meant to be us planning for Noburi, as opposed to our usual vector of planning for Hazou, to plan for Noburi? Minami is not the only one with insecurities -- nor, indeed, the only one to whom we have recently offered great insult/threat. We should consider how our planning will translate in IC implementation.
(Emphasis added.)
I cannot recommend strongly enough that we specifically disclaim against saying the emphasized part of this aloud. Hazou has blurted out lines from the plan verbatim before -- and in so doing, nearly doomed us all, when one such incident turned a concerned appeal on Akane's behalf into a threat against a Konoha ninja. While saying things like this effectively represents the mental state for which we are shooting, we should take caution to specify that they are not to be spoken aloud.
Spelling correction: mission debriefing.
(Emphasis added.)
This being our regularly-scheduled reminder that ninja are cynical bastards. Issuing unilateral statements like this will likely provoke scorn and discredit our statement through the magic of ad hominem. Moreover, we can't actually back up the promise this statement implies; no matter how strong or skilled we are, it's a sad fact that even the greatest of ninja can be forced into unfavorable situations wherein their options are limited. Instead of the emphasized clause, I recommend, "and next time hopefully have other options than hurting innocents."
Why fur specifically? To appear more like a particular creature? That seems like a flimsy disguise unless extensive time and effort are invested into preparations. Without said preparations, there is likely a limit to how many times we can throw mysterious and terrifying furred creatures of unknown origin at people before somebody cottons onto the ruse and it loses all value -- thereby potentially compromising our movements and actions. I would recommend broadening this recommendation to efforts at disguising the Pangolins in general, and leaving specific methods for such for a different time, when we can consult at length with disguise experts (and, ideally, with the Pangolins themselves; they themselves may have had cause to disguise themselves in the past, after all, and may have a solution already available).
I actually like this one; the timing was not a problem this time, but only because things went so well. They may not in the future. However, if we do brainstorm ideas on how to resolve this issue ourselves, we should include them.
The semicolon implies that this comprises two separate statements, to whit: "We feel guilty because we want to destroy the system. Unrelatedly, we are now complicit in civilian deaths." I would instead phrase this as, "We feel guilty because our long-term plans revolved around destroying the system, yet despite that we are now complicit in executing dozens of civilians."
Additionally, do we want to phrase this as, "destroy the system?" There is no privacy on a Skytower; Akane is aware of our ambitions and will interpret us correctly, but Minami is still unaccustomed to us. What is her likely reaction if she hears us waxing lyrical about our ambitions to "destroy the system?" I find it all too likely that she will conclude that we are referring to the system of ninja and/or ninja villages. She is unlikely to look upon that favorably.
Again, Minami is supremely unlikely to view the system as negatively as we do, and will almost certainly react unfavorably to us referring to it in these terms. There is no privacy on a Skytower.
Both of the preceding points regarding Minami overhearing us are invalidated if we conduct the Akane chat while we are split off from the main party; I recommend that in place of addressing them individually, we simply evade the issue by specifying that this chat should occur during one of our breaks while away from the main group. At the moment, that is not specified.
This is an excellent idea and you should feel good for including it.
This line implies that the contingency is to apply only to that period of time in which we are away from the party and under Akane's leadership. I suggest that we either 1) formalize and specify that implication, making this contingency for that time period only; or 2) leave it as a general contingency and replace, "let Akane make the decision," with, "let whoever is currently in command make the decision."
There we go. Not a true English tutor bashing -- I've not let this sit for a day before coming back for additional nitpicks, after all -- but I think this should serve well enough. Hope you find some actionable insights in here! I'm sure the plan has changed since I started looking at it; I'll take another look tomorrow and make criticisms for whatever iteration is up then. Sorry if any of this is obsolete.
- Location
- The Void
- Pronouns
- She/Her
With regard to timing we should have consider having Kei learn whispers on the wind that way we can synchronize assault times. Also lets us evac anyone if we ever try to infiltrate somewhere
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- Yes.
Holy fuckin' shit man you do not fuck around.
So I rewrote this a bit but am unsure if it's appropriate enough. Could you check?
Ideally we're doing this when Minami isn't around, since Hazou/Noburi/Akane are transporting the prisoners while Minami/Kagome/Keiko are continuing on the original courier mission. But I added a "Preferably in a private setting, maybe before we re-join the main group." to clarify when and where.
...aaaaand now I feel awkward for not reading the whole post before responding.
Good point. I've added that, and also a note to see if Panda can be used as a communication summon (not accurate, see the plan below).
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
Actually, the Minami are hands down the best logistical solution since telegrams. They should know - they largely are telegrams! See, because they can leave their Soudai's Prism wherever they want so long as they've been there before, you have one Minami leave their Soudai's Prism with their handler. You then have the returning Minami, who the new Minami is going in to relieve, leave their Soudai's Prism at the outpost/base that the new Minami is going too.
Bam! Instant communication, only mitigated at the rate that a Minami can talk and write at the same time.
disclaimer: infinite amount of minami not guaranteed, may be born separately
Also, @eaglejarl, the tally system can handle approval voting now?
Edit: TL;DR Minami are human scrying mirrors, not telescopes. Extra abilities irrelevant since Nikko won't tell us them.
Bam! Instant communication, only mitigated at the rate that a Minami can talk and write at the same time.
disclaimer: infinite amount of minami not guaranteed, may be born separately
Also, @eaglejarl, the tally system can handle approval voting now?
Edit: TL;DR Minami are human scrying mirrors, not telescopes. Extra abilities irrelevant since Nikko won't tell us them.
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- Yes.
Nitpicking: It's the Minami clan, not the Nikko Clan.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I say, "English tutor with a grudge," for a reason.
That sounds good to me. Noburi has been a lot better if we phrase our suggestions in ways that consult his knowledge or query his thoughts on the matter; he's generally fine with them if he feels like a participant in the planning process.
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- Yes.
So you're saying we need to give you reasons to have grudges on us.I say, "English tutor with a grudge," for a reason.
That sounds good to me. Noburi has been a lot better if we phrase our suggestions in ways that consult his knowledge or query his thoughts on the matter; he's generally fine with them if he feels like a participant in the planning process.
I can work with that
- Location
- The Void
- Pronouns
- She/Her
@PoptartProdigy seriously that's some good work. Anything we can do to get these critiques more often?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I can help give you motivation for that.So you're saying we need to give you reasons to have grudges on us.
I can work with that
I just need to keep on with the regular Kagome screaming copyright infringement in my quest.
Thank you! Yeah, my schedule has cleared up a lot recently, so I should be around more often to provide them.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Voting is still open.
As a comparison to the official vote tally, posted about, here's what CounterBot says:
CounterBot, version 2.1
Plan name: Rationalization
Voters: @bayesclef, @Enjou, @faflec, @huhYeahGoodPoint, @Inferno Vulpix, @Kiba, @Oneiros43, @PoptartProdigy, @Traiden
Num votes: 9
Plan name: Hazou: DODGE
Voters: @Cariyaga, @faflec, @huhYeahGoodPoint, @Inferno Vulpix, @MadScientist
Num votes: 5
Plan name: Keiko: DODGE
Voters: @Cariyaga, @faflec, @huhYeahGoodPoint, @Inferno Vulpix, @MadScientist
Num votes: 5
Plan name: Noburi: DODGE
Voters: @Cariyaga, @faflec, @huhYeahGoodPoint, @Inferno Vulpix, @MadScientist
Num votes: 5
Plan name: Sleep Is For The Weak
Voters: @huhYeahGoodPoint, @Inferno Vulpix, @Traiden
Num votes: 3
Number of voters: 11
As a comparison to the official vote tally, posted about, here's what CounterBot says:
CounterBot, version 2.1
Plan name: Rationalization
Voters: @bayesclef, @Enjou, @faflec, @huhYeahGoodPoint, @Inferno Vulpix, @Kiba, @Oneiros43, @PoptartProdigy, @Traiden
Num votes: 9
Plan name: Hazou: DODGE
Voters: @Cariyaga, @faflec, @huhYeahGoodPoint, @Inferno Vulpix, @MadScientist
Num votes: 5
Plan name: Keiko: DODGE
Voters: @Cariyaga, @faflec, @huhYeahGoodPoint, @Inferno Vulpix, @MadScientist
Num votes: 5
Plan name: Noburi: DODGE
Voters: @Cariyaga, @faflec, @huhYeahGoodPoint, @Inferno Vulpix, @MadScientist
Num votes: 5
Plan name: Sleep Is For The Weak
Voters: @huhYeahGoodPoint, @Inferno Vulpix, @Traiden
Num votes: 3
Number of voters: 11
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[x] Testing the SV tally bot
'user vote updating' 'newest vote only' option then what comes out looks like approval voting to me. Click the white 'i' in the top right to see the configuration I used for generating that tally.
Looks like. If you set it to 'by line' and turn off the
You should add a 'screaming in Kagome' tag to your quest. :>I just need to keep on with the regular Kagome screaming copyright infringement in my quest.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
I mean, the other tag that you can probably take is "screw the rules I have explosives" but given the scale of your quest the kind of "explosion" that would even register, let alone let you "screw the rules"...hm. To escalate, or not to escalate...
shudders
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Assessment of the newly-updated SV vote tally system as compared to CounterBot:
Pro
The official bot's formatting is more attractive than CounterBot's and it doesn't have CounterBot's bug around cutting off the 'Training Plan' / 'Action Plan' prefix.
The official bot is integrated right into the SV UI and doesn't require installing external software / using a command line program.
Neutral
The official bot doesn't notify voters of the tally -- it outputs "Voters: eaglejarl" instead of "Voters: @eaglejarl". That could be a pro or a con, depending on your POV.
Con
The official bot does not support canceling your vote with [-]; you need to go back and manually edit the original post. Inconvenient, destroys history, a change from how we've been doing it. Not a huge deal, though.
The official bot does not support excluding votes from QMs. Again, not a huge deal since we typically don't post votes.
The official bot does not give a count of total unique voters. Not essential, but I find that useful information for tracking the thread's participation and level of interest across an arc.
Overall, unless I've misunderstood something it appears that the official bot is a perfectly adequate replacement for CounterBot as long as we are willing to change how we handle vote canceling. I'm a little sad to have to say that; I felt proud to have contributed CounterBot.
Pro
The official bot's formatting is more attractive than CounterBot's and it doesn't have CounterBot's bug around cutting off the 'Training Plan' / 'Action Plan' prefix.
The official bot is integrated right into the SV UI and doesn't require installing external software / using a command line program.
Neutral
The official bot doesn't notify voters of the tally -- it outputs "Voters: eaglejarl" instead of "Voters: @eaglejarl". That could be a pro or a con, depending on your POV.
Con
The official bot does not support canceling your vote with [-]; you need to go back and manually edit the original post. Inconvenient, destroys history, a change from how we've been doing it. Not a huge deal, though.
The official bot does not support excluding votes from QMs. Again, not a huge deal since we typically don't post votes.
The official bot does not give a count of total unique voters. Not essential, but I find that useful information for tracking the thread's participation and level of interest across an arc.
Overall, unless I've misunderstood something it appears that the official bot is a perfectly adequate replacement for CounterBot as long as we are willing to change how we handle vote canceling. I'm a little sad to have to say that; I felt proud to have contributed CounterBot.
Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
- Location
- Snarksville, Snarkland
I honestly thought that was intentional.
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
You have Jiraiya's words; you lack the capacity to read his mind.
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
I thought ther had been but it's 1am and I'm going to be out of town tomorrow so I can check Sunday, esp. if someone pings me tomorrow evening or Sunday morning.
Did you mean for this to be a vote?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States