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Plus, we can teach him physics!
Hell--we don't need a retcon. Let this serve as a "second trigger."
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Plus, we can teach him physics!
Hell--we don't need a retcon. Let this serve as a "second trigger."
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- UK
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- He/Him
One issue I see with this is what Hazō would do instead. Supposing you write a questionable plan and Hazō says no, that doesn't work. What happens?
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- Nova Scotia
Depends on the exact challenge. If it's a social issue, then social skills. If it's an opsec issue, then whatever you'd normally use to roll for opsec.
@Velorien , @eaglejarl , @OliWhail :
Easy solution: Being right next to the death of his team leader and experiencing the imminent loss of his sensei triggers the Mangekyō Iron Nerve, which causes Hazou to hear the hivemind as explicit voices, though not understand anything said which he doesn't have a concept for. He is now a separate character and only taking suggestions from the hivemind in the same way as all the other characters listen to suggestions from him but may ultimately reject them based on their own judgement and priorities.
He either makes his own decision, or the plan gets kicked back for revision. Ideally, this would occur as feedback during the planning stage itself.
Easy solution: Being right next to the death of his team leader and experiencing the imminent loss of his sensei triggers the Mangekyō Iron Nerve, which causes Hazou to hear the hivemind as explicit voices, though not understand anything said which he doesn't have a concept for. He is now a separate character and only taking suggestions from the hivemind in the same way as all the other characters listen to suggestions from him but may ultimately reject them based on their own judgement and priorities.
He either makes his own decision, or the plan gets kicked back for revision. Ideally, this would occur as feedback during the planning stage itself.
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- Canada
I honestly can't see a situation that doesn't end with our deaths in a limited number of turns. We either go on the run and are declared missing nin but this time without Mari who'll be killed and we'll be personally hunted by Jiraiya. Or we head back to the Leaf and are killed once more with Kagome and Akane being killed and us being locked up as genetic material before being killed as well. Either way we are fucked.
I wouldn't mind starting a new character with the caveat that he could hear the hivemind in return for making learning things like sealing impossible without a teacher and making it impossible to learn without dedicating either our entire build to it or making progress slow enough that we become bored with it.
I wouldn't mind starting a new character with the caveat that he could hear the hivemind in return for making learning things like sealing impossible without a teacher and making it impossible to learn without dedicating either our entire build to it or making progress slow enough that we become bored with it.
That's very situational, but the default could be inaction. Having recognized the idea he had was bad, he fails to have any good ideas and goes along with whatever the people around him want to do.
Though in the plan that caused this blow-up, there was a clear alternative outlined for, "If this idea seems bad for some reason, do this instead." But as I said, situational.
notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
The real problem here is that it was never indicated to us that Noburi considers his mist technique to be secret. Therefore we weren't to know that telling people about it was bad. This is just the qm's screwing us again.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
By this, do you mean that our teammates are unable to keep us from making mistakes they should reasonably be able to spot and stop us from making because otherwise we wouldn't make mistakes? I hope I'm misinterpreting this, because it sounds like people are being intentionally written unrealistically for the sake of creating these exact situations. Were you maybe thinking about the 'hear the voices' bloodline?
Emotionally, I am feeling less stressed than usual about this chapter, much less so than the youthsuit incident and the terrifying chapters like Zabuza chasing us.
And there are stresses that I am anticipating to take on in this round trip around the Elemental Nations. I am expecting life and death stakes, where Hazō might die. We might even fail in our mission. Konohagakure might get demolished. It would be something that make me really stressed out. But this?
Maybe I just don't care about this quest anymore? That would be unfortunate. I really want to keep playing the quest.
Seems cheaty. And a bit too much work for the QMs?
And there are stresses that I am anticipating to take on in this round trip around the Elemental Nations. I am expecting life and death stakes, where Hazō might die. We might even fail in our mission. Konohagakure might get demolished. It would be something that make me really stressed out. But this?
Maybe I just don't care about this quest anymore? That would be unfortunate. I really want to keep playing the quest.
Seems cheaty. And a bit too much work for the QMs?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Strike out the questionable elements; if the plan's workable, continue. If not... I'm less certain.
Deception, in that case.
Hey, stop that. You're being very rude. I get that you don't like the situation we're in but that's no call to act like that.
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- Earth
I recall it being something which was kept pretty quiet even within his clan. Something he only knew about as an unconfirmed rumor. That seems pretty suggestive.
notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
The qm's have lost the right to polite interaction with this latest stunt.
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- USA
IIRC, this has actually happened before. From what I remember, there was a story post where Hazo had intended to apologize to Inoue for something, but didn't because something she did in that update annoyed him.
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- France
In theory this sounds great, but in fact it would quickly become a mass of mostly unmanageable votes for each sentence.
It sounds like hell to play or be a QM for.
Yep! To me, this is how most quests should run.
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- Phoenix, AZ
Why? They're literally providing free entertainment for us. How does "we disliked the most recent free work they did for us" possibly lead to "We are justified in being as jerkish to them as we want."
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- The Void
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- She/Her
My problem is this is all we got from post mission. I'm not seeing anything that shows that we fucked up and should try to fix things. Nothing with Noburi being grumpy. Nothing but Kagome being himself. So we get no info that something is wrong and make a normal plan. That blows up and Hazou has no chance on his own to fix things. That's my problem. If we would have got Noburi being upset in the previous update the plan I wrote would have been completely different
So take it out of their paychecks.
They really haven't. The mist was known to be a secret, and only wasn't treated that way due to entirely congruent circumstances. The players forgot.
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If Hazou is objecting to a minor detail that doesn't majorly impact the plan, then he could continue with the rest of the plan as best he can.
If Hazou is objecting to something that does have a major impact on the plan, then he could maybe fail to think of an alternative and just try to implement as many bits of the plan as he can? Or think up a worse-thought-out plan that at least has the redeeming feature of not relying on a stupid mistake that anyone IC should spot?
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- Over there
I won't vote for plan suicide because there are still people who enjoy the quest.
I won't ask for a retcon because I can't think of any way to prevent this from happening again without substantially more QM engagement with the discussion. We have no right to demand they spend even more time giving us free entertainment.
I'll just say thank you for the ride. I look forward to reading any future stories you write, but I've realized I won't be able to enjoy this format anymore.
I won't ask for a retcon because I can't think of any way to prevent this from happening again without substantially more QM engagement with the discussion. We have no right to demand they spend even more time giving us free entertainment.
I'll just say thank you for the ride. I look forward to reading any future stories you write, but I've realized I won't be able to enjoy this format anymore.
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- Nova Scotia
Well obviously it doesn't. But when someone does something to a character you're emotionally invested in and you can't think of any reasonable way to keep this kind of thing from happening again, it's reasonable to be upset. Obviously the ninja world is very high-stakes, but we don't seem to have any reasonable way to mitigate this particular set of risks. What ways we do have seem to require a bunch of work for both the playerbase and the QM.
Still, keep it polite.
One of the thing about what make this quest great is that we aren't jerk. Let try to keep it that way.
Depending on the situation at hand, he dies, because he didn't have time to come up with the right plan. In other situations, he muddle about or screw up. In some other situation, he makes the right choice.
Agreed. We don't like what happened, but that doesn't mean we should be rude to the QMs. And they certainly aren't going to be inclined to listen to our objections over this if we're rude to them.
notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
That doesn't mean, or even imply, that it's secret. It implies that nobody has had it recently. If he wanted us to keep it secret he should have said so.
Also, lol at the qm's deriding Worm for conflict balls then pulling this. Apparently Nobby is willing to destroy everything we've been working towards becsuse of a clan secret that he didn't even say was a secret? And everyone just goes along with it? And Kagome can suddenly hold his spaghetti, but only when it screws us over?
Yeah, this is the kind of killer qm'ing to which the only response is to not play.
'Rational' my pasty white ass.