Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
Upside, we can just tape seals to their children and they won't have to carry barrels around. Assuming they have a fatty enough diet.
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Upside, we can just tape seals to their children and they won't have to carry barrels around. Assuming they have a fatty enough diet.
- Location
- The willow crowned hill
- Pronouns
- She/They
/delurks
I post occasionally, but you guys keep posting my ideas before I have them. Plus, I usually don't have time to write up plans if I have the chance.
anyway
/relurk
- Location
- Phoenix, AZ
Well, to be fair, I mean the part where we just sort of robbed our employer and handed him over at the first sign of trouble. I'm not saying it didn't save our lives, I'm just saying it was the first obviously immoral thing I can identify us doing, and was the point at the quest at which I ceased using moral judgments to dictate my votes and suggestions. I'm not saying we're less moral than other ninja, but that's an awfully low standard.
Is there a way we could have played through without compromising (at least my) morals? I'm unsure, it'd have been awfully hard. Regardless, we didn't, and at this point we're pretty far down the rabbit hole in terms of righteousness. From my personal moral view, Hazou's an evil person. From a utilitarian point of view, I'm unsure if we'll wind up doing more good than harm, and suspect it won't be clear cut at all.
Three reasons:
1. It costs a lot of XP
2. It costs a lot of chakra
3. Clones are idiots
Basically, any task you do with it, it'll do at the lower bound of 1/3 of its level and 1/3 of the relevant skill. So, it takes a ton of XP to do pretty much anything with them. Additionally, the clones are pretty dumb, so can't do complex tasks (at least, not unless they're pretty high level). Finally, it costs a not insignificant amount of chakra to summon a clone, and you can normally get more bonus dice in combat just by giving yourself a chakra boost.
We tried messing around with it in Swamp (see chapter 8)
The result was this:
Edit: I forgot how long we've been failing the stealth game. I find it funny. Maybe we'll learn eventually
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- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
If this turns out to be true, I'll be quite happy to declare that we have lost the quest by a freaking mile.
- Location
- how about no
The original goal was (and still is imo) to survive; everything else is just gravy.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Yes. She used them back in VHitM, when you moved into the cave and then again when the tapirs attacked.
- Location
- US
So immortality = quest win? You know, I think I'm ok with that. I just hope it involves us throwing up a new body at least once.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Uh, guys, just realized something.
So it has been confirmed that bloodlines like the Sharingan or the Rinnegan are not plug-and-play, so we can't just stick an eye in and expect to use it. It makes a lot of sense, and would seriously change the setting a lot if it were true.
So does Kakashi not have a Sharingan in MfD? I've actually never paused to wonder before, but knowing this, I'm actually starting to think he doesn't have one.
@eaglejarl Do we have any indication that he does? Does his "Copy Cat Ninja" nickname exist in MfD?
So it has been confirmed that bloodlines like the Sharingan or the Rinnegan are not plug-and-play, so we can't just stick an eye in and expect to use it. It makes a lot of sense, and would seriously change the setting a lot if it were true.
So does Kakashi not have a Sharingan in MfD? I've actually never paused to wonder before, but knowing this, I'm actually starting to think he doesn't have one.
@eaglejarl Do we have any indication that he does? Does his "Copy Cat Ninja" nickname exist in MfD?
- Location
- Japan, The Big Town
Well med-nin basically seem to be life wizards. So its possible that with a clean extraction and a clean socket to transfer to, a sufficiently skill med-nin could have full functionality fairly quickly. Such as was in the manga.
But it would require QM confirmation to be sure of that here.
- Location
- how about no
Very early on in the quest there was some exposition that explained Bloodline implants. Namely, almost all of them failed, but Kakashi got lucky with his and attracted a large amount of attention due to his new condition.
Here is the relevant section from the original post:
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Note for the future: We should learn to whistle the Coming Home song as a way to identify ourselves as actually-Hazou to Hana in the middle of combat, should it become necessary.
e: Oh man that's adorable. I just had this mental image of Hazou teaching his mom Roki.
e: Oh man that's adorable. I just had this mental image of Hazou teaching his mom Roki.
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Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
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Zabuza using Hiding In The Mist Jutsu withing Noburi's range would be hilarious.
It's Survive to Chuunin. The argument was after we killed some (probably) bandits. It basically boils down to Nix's Warden wanting to play full Hard Men Making Hard Decisions because he was tired of playing as ninjesus. MfD was cited by him as being an example of playing ninjesus. His goal is, uh, unpopular in the thread.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien
Is there any level at which we can cast Bunshin without handseals, and what would the limitations on it be if we can?
Is there any level at which we can cast Bunshin without handseals, and what would the limitations on it be if we can?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Hm. Thoughts regarding bunshin: If our stealth was high enough there'd be no way to determine whether the bunshin was real or not.
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
IIRC, we've ruled that a technique cannot be made sealless through mere practice. You are unaware of any general process of creation of sealless techniques, so either you'd need high-level techniques designed to that end, or major Technique Hacking which would result in same.
Isn't that because nobody would be able to see it in the first place? At the point where somebody can analyse your clone to attempt to tell if it's real, stealth is no longer relevant.
Right. But there are some techniques which are sealless-friendly above certain levels even though they aren't at level one (Zephyr's Reach, Substitution, etc.), and I want to know if Bunshin is one of those techniques for which this holds true.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
No, I was talking about in the circumstance where you send bunshin running out at someone -- if they can't tell by the sounds that aren't being made that you aren't just another bunshin, they'd be surprised by it. Basically, it's a way to make a stealth roll in the middle of combat that isn't actually reliant on the level of the bunshin, just your stealth (and possibly deception) scores.
- Location
- Phoenix, AZ
@eaglejarl @Velorien what does Hazou know about the ninja skills of his mom (specializations, affinities, nick-names, etc.)?
- Location
- ?
Nix's Warden, if we're naming names. Nix is a pretty chill guy, from what I've seen.
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It is not.
Maybe I'm still lacking in sleep (which I am), but I still don't get it. ELI5?
We'll get back to you.
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
I think what @Cariyaga means is:
At some point in leveling stealth, you are able to run around making effectively no noise. At that point, they will have trouble distinguishing you running at them from a bushin running at them, so you can more easily use bushin to mess with them.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Playing Ninjesus is fun, though! ...this coming from the guy who hesitates to kill bandits in Skyrim or Fallout...
e:
Yes, this.
e:
Yes, this.
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
There is no point at which mere use of the stealth skill will make you 100% silent. Your footfalls will still touch the ground. Your body will still rub against your clothing. You will still breathe. As such, there is no escape from the Awareness vs Stealth roll, which will provide your opponent with information.
Also, thanks for the explanation.
- Location
- Phoenix, AZ
But there would be a stealth vs. Awareness roll if a clone were to go after someone during a fight and they needed to determine if it was real or not? Or would that roll your clone level? Or the minimum of both?