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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Chronocide said:
@Radvic, the seals would all be on the ground, with the central seal fastened to the wire at the point where it's tied down. The spool would then be thrown, unwinding as it flies up. That should keep it all in one plane.
I hope. I'm also not entirely sure.
The kite idea would also be a great way to get it in the air.
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That might work. I was under the impression that 5SB objects needed to be in line with the plane of the five seals. I might be wrong about that (not totally sure).
 
This could be where the single point seal would come in handy in getting things set up. Throw the central hub up and the reel in the rest of the wire and level it out from below and activate the 5BS portion.
 
Chronocide said:
So I've been thinking of ways to construct the observation towers faster. What about this:
Take a spool of ninja wire and fasten one end to the ground. Apply the 5SB to it, but don't activate it yet. Launch or throw the spool into the air and activate the seal when it reaches its peak altitude. Have someone climb up the line and construct the platform at the top. Someone at the bottom can deactivate the 5SB while the top person holds the line. Top person can then tie the now unsealed line to the platform and let bottom climb up. The process can then be repeated.

Each toss of the spool should get quite a bit of height, especially if we find a good way to launch it. The main difficulty would be constructing the platform while standing on a single spatially-locked spool of wire, but that doesn't seem impossible to do with ninja balance and treewalking.
Thoughts?
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If we included timed storage scrolls, and the still uncertain substitution-up-ninjawire trick, we could climb miles into the sky in minutes. (chakra notwithstanding)

Throw kunai, 1SB activates, storage scroll releases log, Sub to log, Repeat. You could even have people follow you up, only stopping when they reach the nth-to-last stage of the tower, where n is the number of people that preceded them.
 
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@Kylinger Kawarimi is limited to distances you can physically cross. Since our jumping skills aren't great (GM confirmed) we can't use the trick you described.

Well, we could, but it would be hilariously slow and chakra-inefficient, and we'd be much better off just climbing.
 
I was referencing my earlier post:
Kylinger said:
If there was a ladder, would we be able to substitute to the top of the ladder? (Each rung is a "Platform")
If there was a rope ladder made from ninja wire with small rungs that was very difficult to climb, but still possible, could we use that?

What about a single ninja wire? Can we climb that using with/without chakra adhesion- and in turn, substitute straight to the top?

The ladder/wire doesn't have to be convenient or easy to use, since substitution just checks whether it's possible at all, and then bypasses it if it is possible. Unless I'm understanding the mechanics wrong?
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Which is why the substituting up ninja wire trick is uncertain- it's totally something we could do, just very difficult and slowly. So shouldn't we be able to kawarimi up it?

We can kawarimi up ladders apparently, that's been tested according to @OliWhail.
 
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Kiba said:
What are we going to do for Joutarou and other victims?
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Nothing? Just like what we're going to do for the resort. Exactly what we did for the people in Iron we killed, the Leaf ninja we killed, the Mountain ninja we killed, etc. Nobody expects us to apologize for killing people. We're ninja. It's what we do. I gave up on us going a non-evil path to victory when we lied to genin in Iron. I feel we committed to it when Hazou killed the three missing-nin in Let the Bodies Hit the Floor.
 
Radvic said:
Nothing? Just like what we're going to do for the resort. Exactly what we did for the people in Iron we killed, the Leaf ninja we killed, the Mountain ninja we killed, etc. Nobody expects us to apologize for killing people. We're ninja. It's what we do. I gave up on us going a non-evil path to victory when we lied to genin in Iron. I feel we committed to it when Hazou killed the three missing-nin in Let the Bodies Hit the Floor.
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We can still work to minimize evil. Admittedly I don't think we should try to privilege patching up our personal mistakes over other ways of making the world better.
 
OliWhail said:
Corollary: unless doing so signals virtue sufficiently well to get enough people on our side to counteract the opportunity cost of the privilege.
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Personally, I figure it's not so much the opportunity cost, as it is personal risk. We can't have anything that traces us back to where we've been (or rather, it's quite dangerous for us to do so), until we can do things like defeat Zabuza when he surprise attacks us.
 
OliWhail said:
If we manage 2-3 month of training and research, that won't be all that far off, methinks.
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Maybe. I don't trust our ability to detect danger. I can believe we'll reach the point where we can defeat him (I mean, he might cast a jutsu which lets Noburi drain him), but I don't really think we're going to be ambush proof anytime soon.
 
OliWhail said:
God, won't that be hysterical :lol

Imagine the favors we'd get from Jiraiya for bringing in Zabuza alive. And the sass. "I see you've managed to bring in another sadistic mass murderer alive and unharmed. Funny how that works."
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I mean, IIRC Nobby has no problems draining water clones, so unless he overcharges the heck out of them they'll be gone in an instant, assuming most of the chakra used in them is necessary to keep them constituted. And Zabuza's main advantage to his fighting style is further nullified by Nobby knowing where he's at and if he's a clone.

...on that note, we should have Nobby experiment with draining in-progress techniques. Take the protective lining chakra out of a grand fireball jutsu and you've got a burned throat. Get rid of the "direction-granting" chakra out of a lightning jutsu and you're gonna be electrocuted.
 
Cariyaga said:
I mean, IIRC Nobby has no problems draining water clones, so unless he overcharges the heck out of them they'll be gone in an instant, assuming most of the chakra used in them is necessary to keep them constituted. And Zabuza's main advantage to his fighting style is further nullified by Nobby knowing where he's at and if he's a clone.

...on that note, we should have Nobby experiment with draining in-progress techniques. Take the protective lining chakra out of a grand fireball jutsu and you've got a burned throat. Get rid of the "direction-granting" chakra out of a lightning jutsu and you're gonna be electrocuted.
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1. If Zabuza uses a bunch of water jutsu I'm going to be pretty disappointed. He knows about Nobby (via his barrel) and has probably done a fair bit to research his capabilities, so I see him having a rather water-phobic plan to take us down. That being said if the mist draining is as legendary as it seems to be (ie: virtually unheard of outside 'clan secret no jutsu'): Zabuza might unwillingly play right into a trump card.

2. I think selectively draining parts of techniques is a pretty lofty goal. Even at his current level he is only getting vague senses of size from his aqueous-chakra sense. I'm thinking that it'll take quite a few more levels in VD to delineate between chakra in a persons body mid technique.
 
OliWhail said:
God, won't that be hysterical :lol

Imagine the favors we'd get from Jiraiya for bringing in Zabuza alive. And the sass. "I see you've managed to bring in another sadistic mass murderer alive and unharmed. Funny how that works."
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"Yet my actual agents, the ones who don't just murder people for fun, you squish into a fine paste." :mad:
 
OliWhail said:
Man, I should have included info about her funeralsituation in the interlude, huh?
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We do have some info.
eaglejarl said:
"This sucks," Kenji muttered to the Blood Clone currently carrying the other end of the pile of boards. "It's hardly our fault they got away. Those Leaf ninja screwed it all up."

"Hey, no argument from me, boss," the Blood Clone responded. "I'd rather not waste my existence rebuilding a giant barn. We should be out tracking these guys down!"

"It's not a barn, it's a high-end resort," Mugiwara-sensei snapped, seemingly appearing out of thin air to scowl at her student. "And one which those missing-nin trashed. You know, the ones who got away because you weren't able to track them fast enough?"

"It was night and the whole damn forest was on fire," Kenji muttered. "And anyway, I still would have gotten their trail if those Leaf ninja hadn't wasted so much time."

"It's a poor workman who blames his tools, and a poor ninja who makes excuses," Mugiwara-sensei said virtuously. "Now hurry up and get those boards to the workmen, double time!"

"Yes, sensei!" Kenji and his Blood Clone chorused, shifting from their resentful trudge into a rapid trot. Mugiwara-sensei was no more happy about being stuck here than the team was, and none of them wanted to stress her temper any farther than it already was.

Two hours later, they had delivered two more palettes of bird's-eye maple boards for the workmen laying the floor, three of polished slate for the patio, and were helping Kashigawa gather up the flooring that had been crushed when the enemy created that giant pile of rock on the second floor. They paused in their labors as two men wandered by. The shorter, fatter one was clearly the owner. The tall, spare man beside him was the ninja commander for the region. The commander had a face like iron; it gave almost nothing away. Still, he was apparently irritated enough that some of the frustration was leaking. Or maybe he was showing it deliberately as subliminal messaging to the obnoxious little puffed-up toady that walked next to him.

"—a bit more than restoration," the commander observed. "I don't recall your patio being floored with a water-themed mosaic in sixteen colors of high-grade slate. Wasn't it simply flagstone? Your insurance policy did not cover improvements."

"Oh, no, that was absolutely the way it was!" the owner replied, his eyes wide in overblown innocence. It was just adorable when civilians tried to be deceptive. "Besides, we've been paying protection money for over a decade. These attackers didn't seem terribly subtle to me—they smashed the place! Destroyed it! While those very expensive ninja were on guard, no less. Surely we are entitled to proper reimbursement?"

The commander considered the man calmly. "My reports indicate that the enemy fought with kunai, taijutsu, and water- and earth jutsu. And that the fight happened in the main building. How exactly did the adjacent building which was, coincidentally, the older and less opulent of your buildings, end up on fire?"

"The guests in the first floor of the main building had an oil lantern burning," the civilian owner said earnestly. "It spilled when that giant rock wall landed on it, and the oil splashed over to the second building."

"I see," the commander said doubtfully. "How unfortunate."

"I know! Terribly unfortunate! Still, always some good with the bad, eh? We'll rebuild it and it'll be better—er, just as good as originally. Might even make some good advertising. Give people a shiver, staying in a place where there was a big important battle."

"I think—"

"Excuse me," said a new ninja, striding up. He was taller even than the commander and as wide as an oxcart with pale skin and spiky black hair. His lower face was covered in bandages and the hilt of a truly enormous sword stuck up over his shoulder. The thing was so enormous it could probably serve as a shield as well as a weapon.

"May I help you?" the commander said, one foot sliding back into a ready-but-not-threatening stance. He unconsciously placed himself between this unknown ninja and the pustulent little fraudster civilian who, unfortunately, was a good taxpayer and therefore due protection.

"Yes," the foreign ninja said, stopping a polite distance back and showing his hands unthreateningly. "I heard about the attack. Apparently one of the ninja involved wore a barrel on his back?"
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Edit: Good lord, I should wait a minute before submitting posts to see if I think of something else to say.
 
hypothermic said:
If Zabuza uses a bunch of water jutsu I'm going to be pretty disappointed. He knows about Nobby (via his barrel) and has probably done a fair bit to research his capabilities, so I see him having a rather water-phobic plan to take us down.
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Does Choji have a sister? If we find a way of blending Wakahisa/Akimichi bloodlines, we should be able to come up with a technique that works like water whip, but with lipids instead of water. That way, we're safe from hydrophilic and hydrophobic plans to take us down. Zabuza's lard clones won't know what hit them when we oil whip them.
 
Radvic said:
Nothing? Just like what we're going to do for the resort. Exactly what we did for the people in Iron we killed, the Leaf ninja we killed, the Mountain ninja we killed, etc. Nobody expects us to apologize for killing people. We're ninja. It's what we do. I gave up on us going a non-evil path to victory when we lied to genin in Iron. I feel we committed to it when Hazou killed the three missing-nin in Let the Bodies Hit the Floor.
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Wait, we stepped on the evil path when we lied to the genin in Iron? That literally stopped the fight from happening, and probably saved all of their lives. For missing nin, and ninja in general, our group is unusually concerned with the lives of other people.

bayesclef said:
Does Choji have a sister? If we find a way of blending Wakahisa/Akimichi bloodlines, we should be able to come up with a technique that works like water whip, but with lipids instead of water. That way, we're safe from hydrophilic and hydrophobic plans to take us down. Zabuza's lard clones won't know what hit them when we oil whip them.
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[JK] Action Plan: Alright, Hear Me Out...
 
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