Honestly, if you're doing detailed modelling of offscreen events that you could approximate, while the details of stuff that's directly relevant to player decision-making remains on the todo list, that just seems like poor prioritization.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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What?
The BotG was meaningfully onscreen and required detailed modelling that couldn't be approximated.
It was also a good while back. I wasn't a player but I don't think anyone disputed that it should have been on the frontburner at the time, and it's certainly not consuming any bandwidth now.
I can really only assume this is a copypasta I'm not familiar with. Can someone link me to the source?
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There wasn't player-relevant decision-making on the to-do list at the time of that fight.
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IMO we have to explore the rift by ourselves unless we can kill everyone who knows about it before they tell the rest of the EN. If we take the rift back to Leaf and then word gets out, everyone will pile on Leaf. But if we (still operating as missing-nin) steal the rift and then word gets out, we can go hide in Bear or something. I'm pretty confident in our ability to hide from normal (i.e. non-Hidan) people.
If the rest of the EN piles on to Leaf, we just annihilate them from behind our defensive runes.
They have far less offensive capacity than Akatsuki does, whereas we can set up 5 sun lasers and burn them to ash one at a time from behind a force dome, while the Sannin brute squad kills their essies.
While I emphatically agree with this viewpoint, I'd caution that a. this doesn't stop the rest of the EN from destroying ~all of our outlying farmland and causing us to starve (also, killing probably most of the population of Fire, I don't know how much of Fire' population is concentrated in Leaf) and b. the more villages get involved, the higher the risk is of one of their ninja having some esoteric hack that bypasses our defenses. "Destroy any chakra construct if you can touch it for a minute", say. I still agree it's not worth worrying too much about the reaction of the rest of the EN, since even if they have such hacks we can probably still kill them from inside our bubble before they can use them and we can buy food from the Seventh Path clans if it comes to that (or make a "conjure food and water" rune or something, but that might not actually work), but it's not "we win GG EZ".
(Actually, water might be a serious problem in a siege. I don't know how Leaf normally gets its water, but whatever the source it would presumably be cut off by Force Dome and Iron Earth together, and there may or may not exist ninjutsu that create real water in the same way that MEW or MARI creates real granite. It might be worth tossing a prep day at a "create water" rune.)
Might be easier to pivot to runes that deny Akatsuki the rift if we need more research time. Big, long lasting AOEs too lethal to enter.
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Ah, yes. Project Ice Cube.
Interestingly I don't think we've gotten any evidence that would indicate that this project is nonviable, we just haven't really wanted to look into it yet since it's a EM-derivative.
Assuming they disperse to destroy Fire, we still have options.
We can defeat them in detail by hunting down their attack squads while not needing to man Leaf (since it is defended by runes)
We could go on the offensive and start destroying hidden villages ourselves with WMDs.
Our defenses should be able to be taken down and put up within 30s. Plenty of time if we have decent sensory runes (like Ninja Radar) to detect incoming attack squads.
This is decidedly not ideal, but we will still have options.
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We do, but I still think it's safer to take the rift with us and explore it while hiding in the wilderness.
I might change my mind if it turns out that we can't use Oro's rift runes until we come back to Leaf.
I think we lack the manpower and firepower to do this.
We would also still be cut off from Leaf's chakra supply, and will irreparablely damage our reputation with Naruto for taking unilateral action like this.
It's just not a good idea.
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To explore the rift or to take it? I don't think I agree in either case, but I do think it will be easier with more people on hand.
Bruh what are you talking about he literally suggested it himself... he was like if you come back to Leaf with Minato and Jiraiya and etc in tow then fuck everyone else I'll make sure you're treated like a king lol
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The risk with this is Orochimaru copying the effect without the safeguards.
I will point out that that the minimum rune list for returning to Leaf is something like "enough runes to take on the entire world and win(plus hopefully a first-strike rune and rift-movers)", while the minimum rune list for stealing the rift and staying missing is "Superheater rune and rift-movers".
I also think "the rift vanishes, then the Goketsu return a year later as EJounin/Essies with immortality and resurrected S-Rank allies" is much cleaner and better for uplift than "Leaf wins the incredibly bloody world war to end all World wars, and the Kage(hopefully still Naruto?) has infinite immortal firepower to impose his will"
I also think "the rift vanishes, then the Goketsu return a year later as EJounin/Essies with immortality and resurrected S-Rank allies" is much cleaner and better for uplift than "Leaf wins the incredibly bloody world war to end all World wars, and the Kage(hopefully still Naruto?) has infinite immortal firepower to impose his will"
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If each tier uses 5 times more substrate, the Great Seal's size hints at its difficulty. A 170 to 210 TN rune would require 2 million units of substrate.
Imma level with you, rune TNs are not decided based on the simulation and I don't think the QMs would have bothered with giving us a TN of 170-210 for the big plot beat. Something else is almost certainly going on.
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I think the biggest problem with that plan is that Itachi and the rest of the Akatsuki will not believe Naruto when he says that Leaf doesn't have the Rift after it goes missing. They will raze the place to the ground rather than risk Leaf having sole access to it.
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Obviously, the Sage made the Great Rune using Runic Minato-Biosealing
Not without WMDs we don't. Also even with them.... many of our opponents aren't going to be phased by superchillers for example.
I forgot about this.
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Oh well sure if you mean right now we don't then I agree. But we also may not have enough to win a rift assault even with Leaf either.
I think this is ameliorated by mailing Oro force domes and iron earth runes (assuming he's not too scrub to learn them) if we choose to do so
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We've mentioned wells and the players had a project (spearheaded, I believe, by @Kiba ) to build an aqueduct. I don't think we ever explicitly stated that it was finished but it was being worked on long enough that it probably was.
I'd like to take this opportunity to reiterate that we really really should research Remote Explosives ASAP. Right now we have no idea what the range on them is; it could be kilometres for all we know, Runic Air Domes are a kilometre wide so it wouldn't be that odd, and if it is that's probably enough to win us the rift assault by itself. (Assuming Hidan isn't there to spot us with blood-sense, which is admittedly a significant assumption.)
Not sure what you mean. The authors had to decide how big runes are somehow. For example, if they scaled by AB they would get bigger faster. Not saying we need numbers big enough to make a Great Seal from scratch to engage with the plot.
Would they be so aggressive if they thought the rift closed?