Well, wrestling is applying levers mostly, so it's pure physics. And physics is just applied mathematics...
Magna Graecia: Titanomachia (A City State Quest)
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Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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Plato was famed as a wrestler in his youth and I believe that was not his real name but rather a nickname meaning broad shouldered, so effectively Plato was a philosopher nicknamed 'swole'.
Deadly Snark
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Godsdamned greeks
- Location
- Sydney
[X] Proboulos: Epiktetos Linos (Demos Drakonia)
[X] Xenoparakletor: Athenagoras Symmachos (Demos Drakonia)
[X] Xenoparakletor: Athenagoras Symmachos (Demos Drakonia)
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- Luton Airport
I like the theory that the nickname translates as "Wideboy".
Wait, we don't know his real name and are basically calling him by his wrestling stage name?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, a biopic of Plato's life where he's played by Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson would be the best adaptation we are ever likely to see.
Droman
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There is already a wrestler of paternal Greek descent who is a much better actor than the Rock.
Can't you just hear Plato walking into the room with that playing?
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And now Platonic Forms mean something entirely different...
*Poses Menacingly*
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What about using our free action to support Dmos Exoria plan for Messapi?(is Xenoparakletor from Antipatria clarified for it?)
While many want to tend to pirate problem it was pretty much stated that the problem will be put on the table if it escalate, if it doesn't we can simply chose Demos Drakonia next turn and deal with them while now we secure geeks in Italy and Messapi.
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Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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I am not sure I will allow a pirate expedition to take place this cycle if people don't pick it next turn. And certainly if I do it will merely stem the bleeding, not heal the wound. The lost trade route would stay lost until a more substantial expedition is dispatched.
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- Central Europe
Obander seems like a very poor choice of Xenoparakletor to do so. (Edit: He basically the exact opposite of Mnemnon, who is quite popular among the barbaroi. His wisdom and lawfulness are much more appreciated among fellow cultured Greeks.)
To be honest, that is one of the big advantages of going with an Exorian Proboulos. Their commercial policy should allow us to strengthen our ties with the Messapii cities and get more information on them. (While Obander travels west and deals with the Italiotes and Sikeliotes.)
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Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
So Plato was a pillar man?
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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Don't forget to put your vote for xenoparakletor in the same post.
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- Location
- United States
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- He/Him
[X] Proboulos: Epiktetos Linos (Demos Drakonia)
[X] Xenoparakletor: Athenagoras Symmachos (Demos Drakonia)
Peace with Taras gives us time to pivot towards the adriatic. Did not the war tell us to look to our own interests, rather than picking senseless and profitless fights with our neighbors? Do not disturb the honorable peace but make ready for war with the pirate scum who prey on our merchants.
[X] Xenoparakletor: Athenagoras Symmachos (Demos Drakonia)
Peace with Taras gives us time to pivot towards the adriatic. Did not the war tell us to look to our own interests, rather than picking senseless and profitless fights with our neighbors? Do not disturb the honorable peace but make ready for war with the pirate scum who prey on our merchants.
Well, what an exciting vote this has been!
Interesting to see the fairly strong showing for Demos Drakonia in the last minutes here. They've gotten beaten decisively again, which may make Symmachos' life difficult, but at the same time it's a stronger showing than it was before. This makes me think that Linos' star may continue to rise, but the party will still be doing some soul-searching.
To a large extent I do feel like they were offering the right policies, at the wrong time. The Kerkyan expedition was expected to be a really neat idea, but ended up causing a massive furore. The merchant marine was a great idea, but cut off at the knees somewhat by us not having the new harbour.
Whether we help the Mesapii reorganise themselves sooner, or launch the anti-piracy expedition, is definitely an interesting question. Probably we will know a little more by the next update, to help guide us into our decision. We can see how the Mesapii are doing, and also of the piracy situation has had any dramatic incidents or gotten notably worse.
On balance I feel like the Mesapii will eventually recover and reorganise, whilst the piracy situation may get worse over time, which leads me to be somewhat inclined to the Illyrian expedition. But we should wait and see before making a firm decision, I think.
On the topic of suitability of candidates for different missions, one idea I think might be to do a user motion for who we want to lead the additional foreign mission, when we select it. After all, the Xenoparakletor of the winning slate is already busy, and may not be the best man to undertake policies they did not devise themselves, so I think there's a reasonable argument to be made.
So for example, we might propose a user motion that if we want to reorganise the Mesapii levies for our additional foreign policy action, we send Memnon to do it.
Or, by the same token, we propose that if we launch an Illyrian Expedition to crush the pirates, Linos should be the commander.
Interesting to see the fairly strong showing for Demos Drakonia in the last minutes here. They've gotten beaten decisively again, which may make Symmachos' life difficult, but at the same time it's a stronger showing than it was before. This makes me think that Linos' star may continue to rise, but the party will still be doing some soul-searching.
To a large extent I do feel like they were offering the right policies, at the wrong time. The Kerkyan expedition was expected to be a really neat idea, but ended up causing a massive furore. The merchant marine was a great idea, but cut off at the knees somewhat by us not having the new harbour.
Whether we help the Mesapii reorganise themselves sooner, or launch the anti-piracy expedition, is definitely an interesting question. Probably we will know a little more by the next update, to help guide us into our decision. We can see how the Mesapii are doing, and also of the piracy situation has had any dramatic incidents or gotten notably worse.
On balance I feel like the Mesapii will eventually recover and reorganise, whilst the piracy situation may get worse over time, which leads me to be somewhat inclined to the Illyrian expedition. But we should wait and see before making a firm decision, I think.
On the topic of suitability of candidates for different missions, one idea I think might be to do a user motion for who we want to lead the additional foreign mission, when we select it. After all, the Xenoparakletor of the winning slate is already busy, and may not be the best man to undertake policies they did not devise themselves, so I think there's a reasonable argument to be made.
So for example, we might propose a user motion that if we want to reorganise the Mesapii levies for our additional foreign policy action, we send Memnon to do it.
Or, by the same token, we propose that if we launch an Illyrian Expedition to crush the pirates, Linos should be the commander.
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- Central Europe
This makes me doubtful we will be able to choose freely:
Narratively, the Demos holding the office of Xenoparakletor, will probably be disinclined to give away power to its rivals.
Something else entirely: It seems we will have a roughly 50% vote share for Demos Antipatria. So there is in essence a 50/50 chance to get an Antipatriad Grand Mantis, who would could bring the invitation to the Pythagoreans up during this boule.
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That's true, but at the same time, a massive show of popularity in the Ekklesia for a particular candidate for a particular mission will have a strong corresponding effect in the narrative as well. It is pretty appropriate for individual personalities to transcend politics, I think, and for this to lead to dramatic consequences.
From @Cetashwayo's perspective, the interesting kind of political consequences this can have (like Linos becoming more popular than the leader of his own Demos), are probably worthwhile enough from a plotting perspective that I suspect he'd be inclined to allow it so long as we aren't blatantly gaming the system.